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I’ve been railing on the NET here for years. Very easy to manipulate. Just like the RPI was easy to manipulate, only in a different way.

FSU has 8 quad 1/2 wins. 8. And 0 Q4 losses. But FSU’s NET rank is 91 because we didn’t blow out very many bad teams (we didn’t play very many bad teams). This means that playing at FSU isn’t even a Quad 1 game for someone like Cuse or Wake. Think about that, a team capable of winning 8 Q1/2 games isn’t a Q1 game themselves for opponents playing at their gym.

Cinci has 5 Q 1/2 wins. And they only have one more overall win than FSU (16 vs 15). But Cinci beat up on a bunch of horrible non-con teams and is 9-0 in Q4 games. So their NET is 45th. Meaning every single Big 12 team that travels to Cinci gets a Q1 win for beating them.

I guess the moral of the story is to schedule road games early in the season against random directional state schools. Their home court advantage in a half full 500 seat conference center/gym will give you a 20 point quad 3 win.
 
George is a hell of a scout by Jim L. And he will definitely be a high draft pick. Y’all are gonna have to drop a serious bag for him to stay.

Well, I don't know how much credit Coach L should get for him. He has told the story of how Jonathan Givony was scouting overseas and called Coach L to let him know about George and thought he might be interested. That's where it started. I have no idea what type of relationship Coach L has with Givony, why he decided to let Coach L know about him, or if he called any other coaches, but I'm definitely glad he did lol.

But yeah, it's probably going to take some major incentives to get him to return. I've seen one list that had him as the 10th best prospect in college bball, another that had him as the second best prospect in the ACC behind Filipowski. Being a selfish fan, each time I see his name on any of these lists I cringe a little 🤣
 
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Those guys won both? Don’t think John Thompson ever coached in the ACC.

Okay, so you're qualifying it by saying the first black coach to win in both leagues? I thought you were saying he was the first black coach to win COY in both the ACC and Big East.

To be fair, though, how many black head coaches have led programs in both leagues? Dave Leitao, Oliver Purnell, Al Skinner. Is that it? I mean, there's only a handful of guys that have even coached in both leagues. And 2 of them were at a huge disadvantage trying to figure out that DePaul program.
 
Okay, so you're qualifying it by saying the first black coach to win in both leagues? I thought you were saying he was the first black coach to win COY in both the ACC and Big East.

To be fair, though, how many black head coaches have led programs in both leagues? Dave Leitao, Oliver Purnell, Al Skinner. Is that it? I mean, there's only a handful of guys that have even coached in both leagues. And 2 of them were at a huge disadvantage trying to figure out that DePaul program.

Right. I’m saying won CoY in BOTH leagues. (Leagues where there is historically evidence to show that black head coaches struggled to get opportunities).

I guess that’s kind of the point. Being a trail blazer means you did something that other people often times couldn’t even dream of or attempt. And one could say the same thing about “trying to figure out the Miami or FSU programs.”

Miami was legit on the verge of dropping basketball when Ham arrived. They went 0-18 in their first year of the Big East. And he won a regular season title. I’m gonna guess he would have been successful at DePaul too.
 
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Right. I’m saying won CoY in BOTH leagues. (Leagues where there is historically evidence to show that black head coaches struggled to get opportunities).

I guess that’s kind of the point. Being a trail blazer means you did something that other people often times couldn’t even dream of or attempt. And one could say the same thing about “trying to figure out the Miami or FSU programs.”

Miami was legit on the verge of dropping basketball when Ham arrived. They went 0-18 in their first year of the Big East. And he won a regular season title. I’m gonna guess he would have been successful at DePaul too.

Sure. Historically all of the power conferences have been this way.

Interesting enough, though, 15 of the 26 schools in the ACC/Big East began the season with a black head coach. And Duke is the only school among the 2 conferences that has never had a black head coach... The Duke Administrators wanted Amaker, but K ultimately had the final say.
 
Sure. Historically all of the power conferences have been this way.

Interesting enough, though, 15 of the 26 schools in the ACC/Big East began the season with a black head coach. And Duke is the only school among the 2 conferences that has never had a black head coach... The Duke Administrators wanted Amaker, but K ultimately had the final say.

There has been tremendous progress for sure. In the ACC, at least, so much progress that it’s almost an afterthought.
 
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I guess the moral of the story is to schedule road games early in the season against random directional state schools. Their home court advantage in a half full 500 seat conference center/gym will give you a 20 point quad 3 win.

Yes, that is what the Big 12 did. Bunch of soft schedules that propped up their metrics and then once conference season starts their 'status' is already set and everyone thinks it's the best conference ever.
 
Syracuse hasn’t had a Center since Rakeem Christmas. Rakeem Christmas played 9 years ago and was a PF.

This sucks
Jesse Edward’s was a decent big. Pitt is the same way though, been trying to replace Steven Adams for 10 years.

I’d do dirty things for a Gary McGee type player
 
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With wins by Pitt and Wake Saturday, PItt would receive the double bye in the ACC Tournament. Which is really unfortunate. I think they need two wins in the ACC tourney to get in and that would make it difficult to accomplish.
 
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With wins by Pitt and Wake Saturday, PItt would receive the double bye in the ACC Tournament. Which is really unfortunate. I think they need two wins in the ACC tourney to get in and that would make it difficult to accomplish.

Flip side is, it minimizes the risk of a bad loss.
 
With wins by Pitt and Wake Saturday, PItt would receive the double bye in the ACC Tournament. Which is really unfortunate. I think they need two wins in the ACC tourney to get in and that would make it difficult to accomplish.
They can still win 2.
 
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With wins by Pitt and Wake Saturday, PItt would receive the double bye in the ACC Tournament. Which is really unfortunate. I think they need two wins in the ACC tourney to get in and that would make it difficult to accomplish.

Nah. You don't need to waste your time playing a 12 seed. That ain't moving the needle. Beat the 5 seed and then you'll have more energy in the tank to beat UNC/Duke in the Semifinals.
 
WTH happened to Miami and FSU this year? Watching them play now. Their records suck. Neither looks very good.
 
WTH happened to Miami and FSU this year? Watching them play now. Their records suck. Neither looks very good.

FSU doesn’t have the shooting talent, and Ham’s system ain’t ideal for modern ball.

Miami tossed in the towel in January. They are super freaking soft. There’s 2-3 NBA players in coral gables but they don’t care at all.
 
Found this funny because I made this same claim once with @dukedevilz in another thread about him based on his strong fundamentals. jumpingsmile

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I guess I think Jim usually has a team of about 3 recruits, some fat kid from the freshman dorm and crackhead right off South Beach yet he still is competitive most every night and usually punches way above his weight.

Whereas it seems like Ham always has a team of 10 6’8” guys who can jump out of the gym yet can never get over the hump.

Don’t read too much into this though. I don’t watch like I used to.

I think both Hamilton and Larranaga are very good coaches. The difference to me is that I like Hamilton more than I like Larranaga. Maybe it is simply because of the success he had against Roy but it seems there was some other reason I can't really remember, some beef between him and Roy or something.

Ham has now beat Larranaga in 12 of their last 13 meetings. That’s pretty wild to me considering Miami has an Elite 8 and Final 4 in that time. And they have probably two first round picks on this years team too. Massive underachieving year by the Canes.

No real point to this, just found the stat pretty crazy and reminded me of our dialogue earlier in the thread.
 
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Found this funny because I made this same claim once with @dukedevilz in another thread about him based on his strong fundamentals. jumpingsmile

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I love Reed Sheppard's game. He fits the mold of a Duke player and I would gladly, gladly take him.

I can't even hate on Kentucky this year because he's so freaking fun to watch. I'm starting to think they can contend for a national title. Defense can be a struggle at times, but their ability to hit a barrage of 3-pointers and fastbreak points in waves can completely overwhelm teams.
 
I love Reed Sheppard's game. He fits the mold of a Duke player and I would gladly, gladly take him.

I can't even hate on Kentucky this year because he's so freaking fun to watch. I'm starting to think they can contend for a national title. Defense can be a struggle at times, but their ability to hit a barrage of 3-pointers and fastbreak points in waves can completely overwhelm teams.

I think there are some specific matchups that would be a big problem for them. But yeah, if the threes are falling and they are getting out in transition, they can overwhelm most teams. Attempt to run with them at your own peril.
 
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I think there are some specific matchups that would be a big problem for them. But yeah, if the threes are falling and they are getting out in transition, they can overwhelm most teams. Attempt to run with them at your own peril.

Agreed. And honestly, it's surprising that so many SEC teams, outside of Alabama, are willing to run with them.

If they're in the top half of Houston or UConn's region, I'm not even going to think twice about it. Kentucky could still merit a 3 seed at this point, and that would be a huge boost for them. But, they could still run into some tough Round of 32 matchups as a 3 seed, like a Dayton.
 
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Agreed. And honestly, it's surprising that so many SEC teams, outside of Alabama, are willing to run with them.

If they're in the top half of Houston or UConn's region, I'm not even going to think twice about it. Kentucky could still merit a 3 seed at this point, and that would be a huge boost for them. But, they could still run into some tough Round of 32 matchups as a 3 seed, like a Dayton.

You mean Houston or UConn would be very hard matchups for them right?
 
You mean Houston or UConn would be very hard matchups for them right?

Yes. Looks like I omitted a sentence there connecting my thought. Would be a bad matchup for Kentucky. Not all that surprising, given that Houston and UConn are hard matchups for most every team in America. Neither of those schools would get in a track meet with Kentucky, they'd both slow it down significantly. I think UConn would carve up Kentucky's defense - and Houston would stifle their shooters with relentless pressure.
 
I don’t see them getting to the FF, but then again I didn’t see the winning in Knoxville or Birmingham, so what do I know!? Just along for the ride, wherever it may end.
 
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Yes. Looks like I omitted a sentence there connecting my thought. Would be a bad matchup for Kentucky. Not all that surprising, given that Houston and UConn are hard matchups for most every team in America. Neither of those schools would get in a track meet with Kentucky, they'd both slow it down significantly. I think UConn would carve up Kentucky's defense - and Houston would stifle their shooters with relentless pressure.

Cool. Agreed.
 
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With that, Louisville’s season is over.

It gives KP additional time to work on the rebuild. I heard he’s shooting for 10 wins next season. Lofty goal, but I believe in him.
 
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