This is a victim's mentality.We're not the only one to get the road hostile environment, but since we're #1 all time we get #1 all time hate crowds.
One day all this can be yours.
This is a victim's mentality.We're not the only one to get the road hostile environment, but since we're #1 all time we get #1 all time hate crowds.
One day all this can be yours.
I suppose I would sign less one and dones.Yup, but when your players are good enough after 1 year to go in the first round of the draft, what are you going to do?
I mean look at this team. Herro, Washington, Hagans and Keldon are all gone after this year. They're all projected to go in the first round. If Barnes was coaching them, they'd be 4 year guys.
So what would you do Della? Would you force those kids to come back to school in that situation?
Yeah, but just like every other SEC program, you put everything you have into beating UK, then get trucked in your next game.We came back from 8 down with less than 3 min to go against y'all to take the series from ya in the last game y'all played.
Is that recent enough for ya?
I don't doubt this at all. But that doesn't mean that other top programs would struggle in the SEC as you suggested. They're used to it as well.There are more top end teams in the ACC.
What bothers me about the SEC is it is a football conference and fans of those football power schools don't give a shit about basketball....until Kentucky comes to town. Then all the sudden it's a white/black/gold/orange out and the whole arena is in a frenzy.
It's gotten better though now that there are other good top end teams in the SEC. For a long time it was just UK, nobody else was worth getting excited about.
So Calipari is supposed to tell these players "no thanks, I'm going to pass and sign these 3* guys"?I suppose I would sign less one and dones.
We tried that with 4*/non McD’s All-American Herro.So Calipari is supposed to tell these players "no thanks, I'm going to pass and sign these 3* guys"?
What you don't realize is your coach is recruiting those same players, he's just not getting them.
Also, all 5* kids aren't one and done caliber. Some put in the extra hard work and go sooner than expected, but there are many that need more development before they get recognized by the NBA.
Well, let's look at it this way, UK has great success in the NCAAT and in pre conference play, just like all the other blue bloods. But UK has had many years where it struggled on the road in league play. Why?I don't doubt this at all. But that doesn't mean that other top programs would struggle in the SEC as you suggested. They're used to it as well.
And Shai AlexanderWe tried that with 4*/non McD’s All-American Herro.
Not sure whats going on? Cal can’t coach.And Shai Alexander
Typical SEC program behavior. But I think this UT team has the right attitude. But that performance against Auburn has me questioning that. Hopefully it was just a blipI'm very cautiously optimistic. I don't think UT players can get up for games outside of UK. Call me conceited or whatever, but seriously.
You sign classes to win. If 1 and dones are not working you should adjust the mix. Don't you think?So Calipari is supposed to tell these players "no thanks, I'm going to pass and sign these 3* guys"?
What you don't realize is your coach is recruiting those same players, he's just not getting them.
Also, all 5* kids aren't one and done caliber. Some put in the extra hard work and go sooner than expected, but there are many that need more development before they get recognized by the NBA.
Well, let's look at it this way, UK has great success in the NCAAT and in pre conference play, just like all the other blue bloods. But UK has had many years where it struggled on the road in league play. Why?
Just this year, UK beat UNC comfortably in Chicago, blew Louisville's doors off in Louisville, but turned around and lost at Alabama, lost by 19 at UT and lost at home to LSU.
League play is tough and Duke, UNC, KU and any other programs you want to mention, would certainly have their struggles in this league.
Do you think KU would win the SEC 10+ straight years? Hell no they wouldn't. But when has the SEC had a higher rating than the BIG12? Why can they win the BIG12 so often, but not have as much pre conference or tournament success as UK?
I'm just saying, the SEC is better during conference play than most want to believe.
I think Herro stays for another year or two.We tried that with 4*/non McD’s All-American Herro.
Looks to me like one and done is working for UK. Since 2010, UK has the most tournament wins.You sign classes to win. If 1 and dones are not working you should adjust the mix. Don't you think?
We have done plenty of winningYou sign classes to win. If 1 and dones are not working you should adjust the mix. Don't you think?
Imagine playing this Duke team right out of the gate like UK did. By the time everyone else got to play them, they all knew what they were facing. Not to mention Duke hit every shot they puked up. They haven't shot like that since then.
Do you honestly think UK loses by 34 to Duke if they had watched Duke dismantle another really good team like that?
By the time UK and UNC played, each team was far better than they were in early November. I mean, it was late December when UK and UNC played.
I know UNC is a much better team now, but so is UK. In fact, it looks to me like UK has improved more than UNC has and that's to be expected. UK is younger and had to mesh in more new players than UNC did.
UK had their feet underneath them in that UNC game, not do much in that November game against Duke. If Duke and UK we're to meet now, nobody is getting blown it, it would be a very close game.
We'll revisit this in the off season. I think we need to take a deep dive into the Aryan Cats of the 40's and 50's who won half of those 8 titles.since we're #1 all time.
He is not ready for the NBA. He struggles under pressure defense. He was shut down by Bone and Company. The NBA is much tougher than Bone and Company. In a few years he will be great.
You addressed my comments about pre conference success, but what about my point about NCAAT success? UK has won more NCAAT games since 2010 than anyone else and there was a year in that timeframe (2013) when UK didn't even make the tournament.But UK didn’t play any ACC teams during “conference play”. As in that time of year. There is a huge difference in playing OOC teams in November and early December vs Jan and feb when rotations tighten and freshman are no longer freshman.
The SEC isn’t the pac 12, but it certainly isn’t as strong of a conference as the ACC.
Most years, including this year, I don’t think Duke, UNC or UVA would have nearly as tough of a time in the SEC.
My drive by opinion only, of course.
Then you have to consider those losses as acceptable losses, but acknowledge them as losses. You can't have it both ways.Looks to me like one and done is working for UK. Since 2010, UK has the most tournament wins.
But young teams lose games in November and December, that's my point.
Nope, he gone.I think Herro stays for another year or two.
But, there is some whining about Nov & Dec losses.We have done plenty of winning
Can't wait to hear about Indo-Iranian people.We'll revisit this in the off season. I think we need to take a deep dive into the Aryan Cats of the 40's and 50's who won half of those 8 titles.
Until then, let the Madness begin, my friend!
Weird, never said I wanted it both ways, but okay.Then you have to consider those losses as acceptable losses, but acknowledge them as losses. You can't have it both ways.
I think you're wrong on that.Nope, he gone.
Trust me, he's white, I get it, but that dude is gone. We have seen this too many times to believe a kid with his talent and drive is going to come back when he's projected in the first round of the draft. Not happening.
Saying, "that loss was in November" is wanting it both ways.Weird, never said I wanted it both ways, but okay.
Spoken like a person that has no clue about what NBA potential means.He is not ready for the NBA. He struggles under pressure defense. He was shut down by Bone and Company. The NBA is much tougher than Bone and Company. In a few years he will be great.
Do you dissect other fan bases post or just UK's?Then you have to consider those losses as acceptable losses, but acknowledge them as losses. You can't have it both ways.
I think we need to take a deep dive into the Aryan Cats
He is not ready for the NBA. He struggles under pressure defense. He was shut down by Bone and Company. The NBA is much tougher than Bone and Company. In a few years he will be great.
I think it is you that is clueless. An 8th grader can have potential, but he ain't getting signed. Potential is directly related to development. Herro was shut down and actually looked bad at UT twice. I think he has the potential to be really good, but he needs more experience and coaching.Spoken like a person that has no clue about what NBA potential means.
I hope he comes back for a second year.I think it is you that is clueless. An 8th grader can have potential, but he ain't getting signed. Potential is directly related to development. Herro was shut down and actually looked bad at UT twice. I think he has the potential to be really good, but he needs more experience and coaching.
Saying the loss was in November means it was an early season game with a freshmen oriented team with huge upside. There's a big difference between playing UK in November and playing them in March. That's all I'm saying.Saying, "that loss was in November" is wanting it both ways.
I generally dissect and respond to post that I was quoted in. So yeah, it is flattering to have such a following of UK fans.LaughingDo you dissect other fan bases post or just UK's?
It's very telling, along with flattering.
Some think we're being arrogant or pompous when we talk about how we're the center of the universe, but then we have posters from other teams who make us the center of their universe.
Glad you enjoy the attention.I generally dissect and respond to post that I was quoted in. So yeah, it is flattering to have such a following of UK fans.Laughing
You don't get an asterisk for the loss. Y'all lost your last game by choking on a big lead with the game almost over. (not a good look going into the NCAA) This is March and not November.Saying the loss was in November means it was an early season game with a freshmen oriented team with huge upside. There's a big difference between playing UK in November and playing them in March. That's all I'm saying.
You talking about losses that happened in November and December is what brings me to say "that was November Della, this is March, you don't see UK losing games by 20, or 34 in March, UK is a different team now".
I don't know why this is so hard for you to comprehend. UK and Duke are different than any other program you can come up with, using one and done players means they have young teams that are still learning in November and December, but they win in March. However, you keep talking about the losses that UK suffered in November and December like they happened in March.
UT just lost by 20 to a 5 seed in March right before the tournament. That is far more alarming than UK losing by 34 to Duke in the first game of the season, losing an essential road game to Seton Hall by a bucket in December or losing a road game at Alabama in early January.
Never did I say I wanted it both ways, but I am saying you're being dumb when you constantly bring up losses that UK had in November and December, especially when you just got smoked by a 5 seed on a neutral court in March.
You're making it worse Della.I think it is you that is clueless. An 8th grader can have potential, but he ain't getting signed. Potential is directly related to development. Herro was shut down and actually looked bad at UT twice. I think he has the potential to be really good, but he needs more experience and coaching.
Well, let's look at it this way, UK has great success in the NCAAT and in pre conference play, just like all the other blue bloods. But UK has had many years where it struggled on the road in league play. Why?
Just this year, UK beat UNC comfortably in Chicago, blew Louisville's doors off in Louisville, but turned around and lost at Alabama, lost by 19 at UT and lost at home to LSU.
League play is tough and Duke, UNC, KU and any other programs you want to mention, would certainly have their struggles in this league.
Do you think KU would win the SEC 10+ straight years? Hell no they wouldn't. But when has the SEC had a higher rating than the BIG12? Why can they win the BIG12 so often, but not have as much pre conference or tournament success as UK?
I'm just saying, the SEC is better during conference play than most want to believe.