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West Virginia Program History (by the numbers)

Look, the numbers speak for themselves (doesn't take long since there are very few). WVU has virtually no history outside of Jerry West. News flash, he went to college 58 years ago!!! Jesus, how much deeper do you want to dig? Bragging about a 1942 NIT championship? This is pathetic.

Besides from their fluke 2010 Final Four run (they got to play a 10 and 11 Seed on their way, avoiding real competition), there is NOTHING. They got annihilated in the semi finals (lost by 21), that loss pretty much negates the accomplishment in general.

Maybe if they actually win something people will start respecting the program like they did in the 40s or whatever.

School with two of the biggest fluke titles in the history of sports dismisses another program's accomplishment as a fluke... lol okay.
 
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Self left you with the players that went to the final 4. Your problem is you then hired a coach on the cheap that couldn't recruit. Getting two kids out of Chicago isn't ransacking anything.
I'm not an avid Illini fan, so Self didn't do anything to or for me. However, in his own words when he was at Illinois, he said "I'm here for the long haul." You must have trouble with math, because Self has gotten more than two players out of Chicago, although I was talking about Illinois in general. Where do you think his assistant Jerrance Howard is supposed to focus. One encouraging thing, the kid who's now a HS junior in Chicago who's committed to Kansas looks like he might be a flop. Markese Jacobs foundered in the Proviso West tournament I recently saw.
 
Bill Russell went the San Francisco and actually won championships there. So obviously they are a relevant basketball program today.

Bill Russell transcends any player to come out of Kentucky. So San Francisco > Kentucky.

Bill Russell went to the Celtics because the Hawks wanted Cliff Hagan because he was white and a local (market wise) name. The Hawks were then only to win a championship against the Celtics when Russell was injured. Just some trivia since this stream has gone way back in time.
 
Bill Russell went to the Celtics because the Hawks wanted Cliff Hagan because he was white and a local (market wise) name. The Hawks were then only to win a championship against the Celtics when Russell was injured. Just some trivia since this stream has gone way back in time.
St. Louis might well have won despite Russell's injury. They beat the Celtics twice when Russell was a full go, and did win the series in 6 games.
 
Nova fans, please STFU. You are literally spending time trashing a school that has never won a national championship in any sport in its entire history, ANY sport.

Just stop...
 
Nova fans, please STFU. You are literally spending time trashing a school that has never won a national championship in any sport in its entire history, ANY sport.

Just stop...

Why are you talking about "any sport"? Better just keep it basketball.

Does Nova even have a football team?
 
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Look, the numbers speak for themselves (doesn't take long since there are very few). WVU has virtually no history outside of Jerry West. News flash, he went to college 58 years ago!!! Jesus, how much deeper do you want to dig? Bragging about a 1942 NIT championship? This is pathetic.

Besides from their fluke 2010 Final Four run (they got to play a 10 and 11 Seed on their way, avoiding real competition), there is NOTHING. They got annihilated in the semi finals (lost by 21), that loss pretty much negates the accomplishment in general.

Maybe if they actually win something people will start respecting the program like they did in the 40s or whatever.


Dude... You are seriously obsessed.

Just enjoy your fluke national title and shut the fvck up already. RollLaugh

Just an average program that got REALLY lucky twice over the span of almost 40 years. You could play that Georgetown game (which you probably weren't alive to see) 100 more times and you'd lose all 100. Then you have a title run mixed in between 7 straight 1st or 2nd round losses.

One day we'll run into our lucky national title just like Villanova.
 
Don't really care about either of these schools but WVU fans are getting absolutely clowned in this thread.
 
I don't think 'Nova fans care about WVU one way or the other...it's just doogie who goes over the top with putting 'Nova down on this board whenever possible, with little merit especially in regard to WVU 'success', or lack thereof, vs. 'Nova...though, the stats suggest the opposite:
  • When WVU played in the Big East from 1995 - 2012 'Nova has a 12-11 advantage, and overall 22-20
  • 'Nova outperformed WVU in making the NCAAT with 11 vs. 8 appearances (and 16 vs. 11 until today)
  • 'Nova won a NC, made another FF, 1 EE, and 2 SS vs. WVU 1 FF, 2 EE, and 4 SS
  • Since 1985 (current format), 'Nova has 21 NCAAT appearances vs. 15 for WVU (overall 36 vs. 28)
  • 'Nova 2 NC, 5 FF, 13 EE vs. 0 NC, 2 FF, 3 EE for WVU, overall
  • 'Nova defeated WVU in their only NCAAT match-up in 1962 (a 90-75 thrashing)
Sure, 'Nova has faltered a few times when expected to advance further but so have MSU, Duke, and Kansas. Shit happens in the NCAAT. Of 'Nova's recent dismissals, they lost to the eventual champion 5 times (UNCheat in '05, FL in '06, KU in '08, UNCheat in '09, UConn in '14) and those champions also beat MSU 3x in those same years.

Again, there is little to no animus toward WVU (at least here) but when an outspoken braggart like doogie gets on his soapbox pounding his chest as to how great WVU is compared to 'Nova it brings out the few 'Nova posters on this site in defense mode. 'Nova has been the best, most consistent, CBB program over the past 5 years, though doogie gives the impression they're a bunch of upstarts with no worthy history compared to his high and mighty 'eers.
 
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Don't really care about either of these schools but WVU fans are getting absolutely clowned in this thread.

Basically the entire board has been doing nothing but laughing at these Nova fans and their weird obsession with WVU.

I get that you're also obsessed, and probably still a little butt hurt about Huggs and WVU stomping UVA's ass 2 years in a row, but come on now.

Got Nova fans talking about football and other sports. Do they even have anything other than a basketball team?
 
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I don't think 'Nova fans care about WVU one way or the other...it's just doogie who goes over the top with putting 'Nova down on this board whenever possible, with little merit especially in regard to WVU 'success', or lack thereof, vs. 'Nova...though, the stats suggest the opposite:
  • When WVU played in the Big East from 1995 - 2012 'Nova has a 12-11 advantage, and overall 22-20
  • 'Nova outperformed WVU in making the NCAAT with 11 vs. 8 appearances (and 16 vs. 11 until today)
  • 'Nova won a NC, made another FF, 1 EE, and 2 SS vs. WVU 1 FF, 2 EE, and 4 SS
  • Since 1985 (current format), 'Nova has 21 NCAAT appearances vs. 15 for WVU (overall 36 vs. 28)
  • 'Nova 2 NC, 5 FF, 13 EE vs. 0 NC, 2 FF, 3 EE for WVU, overall
  • 'Nova defeated WVU in their only NCAAT match-up in 1962 (a 90-75 thrashing)
Sure, 'Nova has faltered a few times when expected to advance further but so have MSU, Duke, and Kansas. Shit happens in the NCAAT. Of 'Nova's recent dismissals, they lost to the eventual champion 5 times (UNCheat in '05, FL in '06, KU in '08, UNCheat in '09, UConn in '14) and those champions also beat MSU 3x in those same years.

Again, there is little to no animus toward WVU (at least here) but when an outspoken braggart like doogie gets on his soapbox pounding his chest as to how great WVU is compared to 'Nova it brings out the few 'Nova posters on this site in defense mode. 'Nova has been the best, most consistent, CBB program over the past 5 years, though doogie gives the impression they're a bunch of upstarts with no worthy history compared to his high and mighty 'eers.


You should probably go through the threads. I never watch, or talk about Nova... unless I'm responding to these trolls.

They jump in every thread about WVU. When there aren't threads to jump in, they start new ones like the one you're currently posting in.

All those stats you just read off basically prove my point too. There's not much separating these two programs the last 15-20 yrs, and the head to head is basically dead even. One NC run is the difference. And yes, I consider that a fluke when it's mixed in between 7 straight losses in the 1st or 2nd round (and one NIT).
 
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Nova fans, please STFU. You are literally spending time trashing a school that has never won a national championship in any sport in its entire history, ANY sport.

Just stop...
Again, that 1942 NIT championship can count as a national championship. It might sound antiquated now, but the NIT was the big thing for hoops back in the day.
 
Dude... You are seriously obsessed.

Just enjoy your fluke national title and shut the fvck up already. RollLaugh

Just an average program that got REALLY lucky twice over the span of almost 40 years. You could play that Georgetown game (which you probably weren't alive to see) 100 more times and you'd lose all 100. Then you have a title run mixed in between 7 straight 1st or 2nd round losses.

One day we'll run into our lucky national title just like Villanova.

You're an idiot...in '85 regular season 'Nova lost to Georgetown 57-50 and 52-50. The previous two seasons they split their games. Of any team in the NCAAT that year, they had the best chance to take down the Hoyas due to familiarity and playing styles.
 
You're an idiot...in '85 regular season 'Nova lost to Georgetown 57-50 and 52-50. The previous two seasons they split their games. Of any team in the NCAAT that year, they had the best chance to take down the Hoyas due to familiarity and playing styles.

Laughing Thought you were a UK fan at first.

Of course another Nova fan.
 
God, you guys keep going back to 1942. This is truly sad and pathetic at this point.

Calling Villanova titles a fluke, lmao.

1985 - Beat the following:
9 Seed
1 Seed
5 Seed
2 Seed
2 Seed
1 Seed
(20)

That is the hardest trip to a championship of all time.

2016 - Beat the following
15 Seed
7 Seed
3 Seed
1 Seed
2 Seed
1 Seed
(29) - I believe this is the 3rd toughest trip behind Uconn 2014

You think I give a sh*t about football? If you're not in the SEC, nobody cares. WVU will never win a football championship. Have fun playing in the following bowls (seriously, this is the list of bowls you played in):

2017: Heart of Dallas (Loss, blown out by Utah)
2016: Russell (Loss, blown out by Miami)
2015: Cactus (win, 1 point over ASU)
2014: Liberty (Loss, A&M)
2012: Pin Strip (Loss, blown out Cuse)

Were any of those games for above 50th overall place in NCAAF? And let's stay focused here, this thread is about the lack of success of WVU basketball. I guess we can add you 15-21 bowl record, that's an amazing accomplishment.
 
God, you guys keep going back to 1942. This is truly sad and pathetic at this point.

Calling Villanova titles a fluke, lmao.

1985 - Beat the following:
9 Seed
1 Seed
5 Seed
2 Seed
2 Seed
1 Seed
(20)

That is the 2nd hardest trip to a championship of all time (UConn 2014 is the hardest)

2016 - Beat the following
15 Seed
7 Seed
3 Seed
1 Seed
2 Seed
1 Seed
(29) - I believe this is the 3rd toughest trip

You think I give a sh*t about football? If you're not in the SEC, nobody cares. WVU will never win a football championship. Have fun playing in the following bowls (seriously, this is the list of bowls you played in):

2017: Heart of Dallas (Loss, blown out by Utah)
2016: Russell (Loss, blown out by Miami)
2015: Cactus (win, 1 point over ASU)
2014: Liberty (Loss, A&M)
2012: Pin Strip (Loss, blown out Cuse)

Were any of those games for above 50th overall place in NCAAF? And let's stay focused here, this thread is about the lack of success of WVU basketball. I guess we can add you 15-21 bowl record, that's an amazing accomplishment.


Convenient of you to not include the 2012 Orange, 2008 Fiesta, and 2006 Sugar Bowl wins. Also won bowls in 2007 and 2009. Top 10 team in espn's too early 2018 poll and a Heisman Trophy front runner in Will Grier.

We didn't bring up football, or other sports. You clowns are talking about not winning championships in "any sport". At least we have other sports that compete at a high level.



Back on topic... Just go watch your team on the Fox Business channel and keep to yourself. You're weirding people out with your WVU obsession.
 
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God, you guys keep going back to 1942.
1942 was cited because one of your confreres stated that WVU has never won a championship in its entire history. Hopefully, you're smart enough to grasp that 1942 is part of history. Thus, you'll have to agree that that guy's claim was wrong.

It's kind of funny that Villanova's two most famous athletes--Howie Long and Mar
 
Nova fans, please STFU. You are literally spending time trashing a school that has never won a national championship in any sport in its entire history, ANY sport.

Just stop...

Dont be jellies that your school doesnt rifle bro
 
God, you guys keep going back to 1942. This is truly sad and pathetic at this point.

Calling Villanova titles a fluke, lmao.

1985 - Beat the following:
9 Seed
1 Seed
5 Seed
2 Seed
2 Seed
1 Seed
(20)

That is the hardest trip to a championship of all time.

2016 - Beat the following
15 Seed
7 Seed
3 Seed
1 Seed
2 Seed
1 Seed
(29) - I believe this is the 3rd toughest trip behind Uconn 2014

You think I give a sh*t about football? If you're not in the SEC, nobody cares. WVU will never win a football championship. Have fun playing in the following bowls (seriously, this is the list of bowls you played in):

2017: Heart of Dallas (Loss, blown out by Utah)
2016: Russell (Loss, blown out by Miami)
2015: Cactus (win, 1 point over ASU)
2014: Liberty (Loss, A&M)
2012: Pin Strip (Loss, blown out Cuse)

Were any of those games for above 50th overall place in NCAAF? And let's stay focused here, this thread is about the lack of success of WVU basketball. I guess we can add you 15-21 bowl record, that's an amazing accomplishment.

Won an NC as an 8 seed with a player who was high on cocaine during the title game (and lets be real, prob the whole season) and another on a buzzer beater vs a team with more talent. Both unlikely championships but still championships and congrats to Nova on both, Im not here to throw shade at anyone's titles, but dont shit on our Final Four run when your own runs that define your program can easily be passed off as overachieving "flukes" vs better teams. The tournament is the tournament, you play who is in front of you. Our banner hangs for 2010 while Kentucky and their NBA all star team hung nothing. They were better but not when it mattered that year.
 
School with two of the biggest fluke titles in the history of sports dismisses another program's accomplishment as a fluke... lol okay.

How were either of their titles flukes?

No reason for dissing the 85 team which played one of the best games anyone has ever played in the championship.

The team that won it recently was great and won on a last second shot from a great outside shooter. Hardly any more fluky than any other title game.
 
One NC run is the difference. And yes, I consider that a fluke when it's mixed in between 7 straight losses in the 1st or 2nd round (and one NIT).


That's disingenuous. That title run featured one of the hardest roads to a title that any NCAA champ has ever had. Hardly a fluke when you knock off multiple top seeds which I think they did.
 
How were either of their titles flukes?

No reason for dissing the 85 team which played one of the best games anyone has ever played in the championship.

The team that won it recently was great and won on a last second shot from a great outside shooter. Hardly any more fluky than any other title game.

Calling things a "fluke" is a tactic used by unsuccessful people to try and make themselves feel better. Like saying Bill Gates "got lucky".
 
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Again, that 1942 NIT championship can count as a national championship. It might sound antiquated now, but the NIT was the big thing for hoops back in the day.


Agree 100%. And I'm not just saying that because DePaul won the 1945 NIT with George Mikan. Back then, the NIT was considered just as big if not bigger than the NCAA.
 
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What is being argued here? I think even WV fans would admit Nova has a better basketball history, which honestly does not count for much besides bragging rights. Two good teams this year and going forward I’m sure
 
How were either of their titles flukes?

No reason for dissing the 85 team which played one of the best games anyone has ever played in the championship.

The team that won it recently was great and won on a last second shot from a great outside shooter. Hardly any more fluky than any other title game.

Using the same logic that says our 2010 Final Four was a fluke because some higher seeded teams lost before we had to face an NBA starting 5, I can easily call Nova's titles a fluke. Because eff it I can.
 
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Calling things a "fluke" is a tactic used by unsuccessful people to try and make themselves feel better. Like saying Bill Gates "got lucky".

I thought Nova fans were smart. It was literally Villanova's own shithead fan that started throwing the word fluke around to describe our Final Four. Im not here to dick measure against Villanova's basketball history, clearly Villanova is the superior program, just defending our Final Four team to someone who thinks because other teams lost in front of us, that a 2 seed making a Final Four is some type of fluke. If that run is a fluke then Nova's titles should be retroactively taken away by the NCAA.
 
I wouldn't call getting to the final 4 without having to face a top seed fluky, but I would call it very lucky.

Similar to Illinois' 2005 final four where they were #1 and beat a 16, 9, 12, 3 and then a 4 in the final four before losing to UNC in the title game.

That said, I wouldn't call WVA in 2010 lucky. They were fortunate to avoid a #3 seed, but other than that they had to beat a #1 in the elite 8. Hardly a fortunate matchup.
 
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I thought Nova fans were smart. It was literally Villanova's own shithead fan that started throwing the word fluke around to describe our Final Four. Im not here to dick measure against Villanova's basketball history, clearly Villanova is the superior program, just defending our Final Four team to someone who thinks because other teams lost in front of us, that a 2 seed making a Final Four is some type of fluke. If that run is a fluke then Nova's titles should be retroactively taken away by the NCAA.
Idk man, seems like this Doogie troll just keeps causing trouble. I've called multiple times for this thread to be deleted.
 
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What is being argued here? I think even WV fans would admit Nova has a better basketball history, which honestly does not count for much besides bragging rights. Two good teams this year and going forward I’m sure
The contentiousness arose because of the OP taking a gratuitous swipe at WVA, a program with a solid but not glittering history. That the person taking the swipe is from Villanova, another solid but not glittering program, makes the attack all the more ridiculous. Neither program could be called a Blue Blood....although Villanova could be considered a little bit more successful. However, the margin of Villanova's higher plateau sure doesn't put them in a position to gloat.
 
Nah, that's not me -- but I'm glad someone else on here calls it how it is.

WVU's history is no where near Villanova, it's an insult to say they are in the same hemisphere. WVU's resume is basically St. Joes (PA)'s resume with a great college player 60 years ago. Nice work!

Objectively, Villanova is a better program (based on results in tournament and modern day stat analysis that ranks how good teams are) than WVU in every way. But WVU had Jerry west 60 years ago so they are about equal. lol I don't even know why I read the responses from some of these jokers at wvu, I guess they take a lot of joy in trolling a winner from a good program.
 
The contentiousness arose because of the OP taking a gratuitous swipe at WVA, a program with a solid but not glittering history. That the person taking the swipe is from Villanova, another solid but not glittering program, makes the attack all the more ridiculous. Neither program could be called a Blue Blood....although Villanova could be considered a little bit more successful. However, the margin of Villanova's higher plateau sure doesn't put them in a position to gloat.

This is like a TCU fan trying to act like the gap between them and Kansas isn't that significant.
 
This is like a TCU fan trying to act like the gap between them and Kansas isn't that significant.
Your inane analogy is ludicrous, given that WVU's hoops history is radically superior to TCU's, while Villanova's is radically inferior to Kansas's. You're blinded by hate.
 
The contentiousness arose because of the OP taking a gratuitous swipe at WVA, a program with a solid but not glittering history. That the person taking the swipe is from Villanova, another solid but not glittering program, makes the attack all the more ridiculous. Neither program could be called a Blue Blood....although Villanova could be considered a little bit more successful. However, the margin of Villanova's higher plateau sure doesn't put them in a position to gloat.

You also forgot to mention that the 5 Villanova fans on this board (especially glendog or whatever his name is) are insufferable....
 
You also forgot to mention that the 5 Villanova fans on this board (especially glendog or whatever his name is) are insufferable....
LOL, have only come on here sporadically, but I'm starting to get that impression.
 
I get it, you were born in WVU and you grew up with your "cousins" who all grew up in WVU and you are proud of your history. But again, there is no history.

You are better off accepting that your past is pathetic but you have a decent team this year. That's fine, what have you done for me lately is a good attitude. But for you people to brag about the 2 final fours in your history, it's a bad look (People from Iowa don't brag about their 1956 runner-up finish, but they do have more tournament success than WVU).

NCAA Tournament Facts:

Villanova will be Top 10 in Tournament wins in 2 months (currently trail UConn by 1, 11th place).

WVU would have to win 5 straight tournaments (30-0) to pass Villanova (assuming Villanova didn't win any games during that run).
 
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