Ranking the Big Ten...

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  1. dragonhawk1855

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    would not say mediocre teams just more balance thru out the D1, which makes it more interesting.

    just think what it will be like when they get rid of that 1 n done rule. the field will get more even.
     
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    Yea I would guess last year’s Final Four is likely to become more common, a premium is going to be placed on NBA tweeners soon when the blue bloods catch up and adjust their recruiting targets.
     
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    Laughing

    We only have 10 teams in our league and we play everybody twice.

    The big 12 is the better league with the better teams. None of that matters though. My team is better than your team... all I truly care about.
     
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    But you won’t bet on it. Poor?
     
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    That's funny coming from someone from Michigan.

    You wanted a ban bet, not money anyway. And like i said, i dont give a shit about michigan... not worth a ban bet.
     
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    So let’s bet on what conference wins more ncaa tournament games. You clearly give a shit about the Big 12.
     
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    Fine... Lets bet who goes further in the ncaa tourney this year.... wvu or michigan. Perma-ban. If you dont make it, it's an automatic L.
     
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    This is a thread about the Big Ten and you’ve spent your entire time in it shitting on the conference but won’t bet on it?

    Like I said, you don’t truly believe all the shit you’re saying about the Big Ten. Either that or you really are poor.
     
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    All the shit? Lol All i said was the top of the league is weak. No elite teams.

    Its still a good conference with a lot of solid teams.
     
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    Both troll statements you won’t bet on. Just admit you were trolling and we can move on.
     
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    I absolutely think the top of the big ten is weak. Michigan State is the best team in the conf and they dont look good at all. And i thought that before they got beat by 30 by a bad purdue team.

    Ohio state was supposed to be the best team in the league a couple weeks ago and we beat them in their own back yard and now they cant beat anybody.

    Maryland is coached by Mark Turgeon... enough said.

    Michigan has lost 5 of 8 or something like that... went from top 5 to unranked tomorrow when the polls come out. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they continue to suck and go to the nit this year. I dont think Juwan can coach. Do i care enough to make a ban bet? No.

    Now if u want to make it wvu vs michigan and who goes further... I'd be more than happy to do that.
     
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    You wont bet on Michigan missing the tournament because you know Michigan is easily a tournament team when when it’s leading scorer comes back.


    You won’t bet on no Big Ten teams making the Elite 8 because you know the Big Ten is better than you are saying



    Troll on, peasant.
     
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    The 4th best team in the B12 is the 13th best B10 by Kenpom. No one thinks the B12 is better or as good as the B10. It's just the same league it's always been. A few good teams beat up on a bunch of mediocre or worse teams. You can add a minimum of 2-3 losses to the final record of Baylor, KU, or WV if they played in the B10.
     
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    its easy for 2 or 3 teams to win when the other 7 teams are dog shit programs. the BT has gone to a 20 game schedule. that's 2 less OOC games.

    in Iowa's case they scheduled Cincinnati a up grade over past OOC games.

    the possibilities decrease for other OOC games as this year these were locked in
    Depaul Gavitt Game BE/BT
    LV Invitational 2 home games vs the LV Committee selections
    ACC/BT Syracuse
    Iowa/ISU

    that made 7 games out of 11 where Iowa didn't have a choice in who they played.

    the ISU games was still played in Hilton which is still a very difficult place to win.

    the rest of the BT teams play under the same conditions where their OOC schedule is limited as to who they can play. again that 20 game schedule actually hurts the BT more than it helps them.
     
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    Enough said. Their top 3 is probably better than our top 3 but the depth isn’t even comparable. Their 4th best team is worse than our 12th
     
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    You saying it’s a bad Purdue team doesn’t make it true. Top 20 KenPom team isn’t a bad team lol. Would be near the top in the Big 12 lol.
     
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    MSU is #5
    OSU is #7
    MD is #11
    Purdue is #16
    Iowa is #19

    splitting hairs as to how good teams are or not.
     
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    Laughing Stop it... there isn't one team in the Big 10 that would finish in the top 3 of the big 12 this year.

    Texas beat you on your home floor. They're the 6th place team in our 10 team league.
     
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    Truth hurts.
     
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    https://collegebasketball.nbcsports...c-okoro-baylors-win-the-big-ten-battle-royal/

    2. THE BIG TEN IS GOING TO BE A BLOODBATH …

    The depth of the Big Ten is absolutely insane this season. As of this moment, 12 of the 14 teams in the conference are rated somewhere between 12th and 41st in the NET. In KenPom, those same teams are ranked between fifth and 38th. Road teams are just 5-32 in the 37 conference games that have been played to date. Ohio State, who ranks 16th in the NET and 17th in KenPom, is currently sitting at 13th in the league standings despite losing four straight games because none of those four losses comes even remotely close to being a bad loss.

    What this means is that evaluating and differentiating between these teams is going to be a nightmare. They are all good. They are all going to win a lot of home games because winning on the road in league play is something that only elite teams do and there may not be a single elite team in the entire country, let alone in the Big Ten.

    So what you are going to see are a lot of weeks where things like this happen: Minnesota beats Michigan at home after losing at Michigan State, who got blown out in Mackey Arena by Purdue just three days after the Boilermakers lost at Michigan.

    3. … BUT THE LACK OF ELITE POINT GUARD PLAY IS GOING TO DOOM THEM IN MARCH
    There are so many good big men in the Big Ten that it is astounding.

    Xavier Tillman. Luka Garza. Kaleb Wesson. Daniel Oturu. Jon Teske and Isaiah Livers. Kofi Cockburn. Jalen Smith. Micah Potter and Nate Reuvers. Matt Haarms and Trevion Williams. Mike Watkins. Myles Johnson.

    That’s insane.

    almost as insane as the fact that there really isn’t much in the way of elite guard play in the league. Cassius Winston is a beast, we all know this, but beyond that, who scares you? Zavier Simpson is a solid player. Anthony Cowan is what he is. Ayo Dosunmu isn’t really a point guard. Is there anyone else that I’m missing?

    The point is that if you look at all of the teams that won titles in the last decade, only one of them didn’t start two point guards — the 2012 Kentucky team that had the top two picks in the NBA Draft, including Anthony Davis.

    Does anyone in the Big Ten has that kind of lead guard play outside of Sparty?

    If all of these teams defend their home court and avoid too many losses to Nebraska and Northwestern, I don’t think it’s crazy to think that 12 Big Ten teams can get to the NCAA tournament.
     
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    so where is TT supposed to finish?
     
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    Simpson is arguably a top 5 PG in the country . There is a group from about 2-10 that are all really good but not Cassius good.
     
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    This is true, but there really aren't any elite teams this year...
     
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    You keep saying Purdue is bad. Sure we lost to Texas, but we've come a long way since then. Also we had one really bad game at Illinois, but we just beat the #8 team by 29 and the at the time #5 team by 29 as well. We've had some issues, but I think this team is starting to figure things out offensively. We've been stout on D all year. No team has scored over 70 points on us yet in regulation, and we've held 4 teams to the 40's.
     
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    What other leagues look better at the top, in your opinion?

    The only one I can think of, is the B12. They have 3 good teams (KU, Baylor, and WVU) - but the rest of the league is trash.
     
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    Texas Tech is a good team.

    The middle and bottom of the big 12 is down this year for sure. Its usually really tough top to bottom. We'll probably still have 6 of our 10 teams in the tourney though, and we play everybody twice.

    I was thinking Duke and Louisville in the ACC at the time, but not so sure about that now. FSU still looks good.
     
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    The FSU that Indiana railed?

    Why are we discussing inferior conferences in a thread about the Big Ten.
     
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    TT the team that Iowa beat on a neutral court. who is now #15 by Kenpom. if you go by that Iowa is a 4 seed.
     
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    Kansas., WVU and Baylor are the only 3 B12 teams currently in the Kenpom top 10 as are MSU and OSU, the next team is TT @ #24.

    with these from the BT in the #11-20
    MD #13
    Iowa #15
    Purdue #17
    Michigan #20

    looks pretty solid to me and not mediocre. with 6 teams in the top 20 of Kenpom
     
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    Yea yore not a 4 seed. 8 seed by NET which is what the NCAA goes by.
     
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    TTU is a decent team, but you were talking about elite / high level teams. TTU would be middle of the pack in the B1G, and already got throttled by Iowa and lost to DePaul. Do they have a good win outside of Louisville?

    I don't think any of those teams are really that much better than MSU. This year is the definition of parity. No teams really stand out as being head and shoulders above any others.
     
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    why because Wisconsin is not even close to being a 4 seed so no way Iowa can get a 4 seed.

    they just moved from a 10 seed by Lunardi [based on the last time I looked] to a 6 seed. I only look about every 2 weeks. figure that is about when he updates his brackets.
     
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    Lunardi has 12 BT teams in his bracket
     
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    The Big Ten will have more teams in the tournament than the Big 12 has in it's conference.
     
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    Updated weekly
     
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    it is, didn't know that. what day is it updated?
     
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    Not sure.
     
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    then I will just check it on Friday. as I checked it today and Iowa a 6 seed, in the same region as Indiana. Michigan and Duke, with B12 team WVU being that region as well.

    Iowa will face #11 seed University of Northern Iowa of the MVC
     

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