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I just did a quick lookup of the black killings by police officers for the month of Jan 2021. There was 9. I believe the total to date this year is 20.

Out of the 9, 7 was justified. The other 2, a police officer murdered the guy who was dating his ex-girlfriend. Which has nothing to do with police duty. The other one died days later in a hospital as he was restrained and fell unconscious. Of course the later should be investigated.

One out of the 9 is questionable. Does BLM look at all 9 regardless of the situation, or all blacks killed by police regardless of the situation?

This whole thing reminds me of the OJ verdict, where blacks cheered his being cleared for brutally killing 2 white people. And we all know he did it.

The movements sincerity about justice seems ingenious.
 
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I don't think anyone would argue LBJ doesn't do good things for the world, he definitely does. I personally feel like he lets his agenda get the best of his judgment in a lot of these cases and it ends up hurting the cause more than helping. Like everyone was totally on his side on the George Floyd thing, but he immediately loses credibility to a lot of people with tweets like "you're next"

He's not the only one on either side to rush to judgment, he just has the loudest voice. There are people that defend cops no matter what happens, and that makes me cringe just as much.
 
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829305 said:
True. Probably needs to step back further. It’s tough for me cause I always hated MJ for not saying anything, just smiling for the cameras. LeBron does, and can put his foot in his mouth no doubt, but I still feel he has done much more good for this world than bad. And I think he means well. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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I think MJ may have been better off not saying anything, as he was an admitted racist in his younger years. Did that ever really change? Nobody knows but him.
 
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829305 said:
I'm not sure what you expect him to do. He realized he said something without thinking, and admitted it. It's not like he's going to join the Proud Boys to appease some of you people. ;)
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He admitted he shouldn’t have tweeted what he did while simultaneously also still supporting Bryant. I don’t expect anything more of him but I would hope he could acknowledge the cop he doxed probably saved one or two black lives by stopping someone who was attempting to murder them.
 
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BasketBallJunkie-UK said:
I just did a quick lookup of the black killings by police officers for the month of Jan 2021. There was 9. I believe the total to date this year is 20.

Out of the 9, 7 was justified. The other 2, a police officer murdered the guy who was dating his ex-girlfriend. Which has nothing to do with police duty. The other one died days later in a hospital as he was restrained and fell unconscious. Of course the later should be investigated.

One out of the 9 is questionable. Does BLM look at all 9 regardless of the situation, or all blacks killed by police regardless of the situation?

This whole thing reminds me of the OJ verdict, where blacks cheered his being cleared for brutally killing 2 white people. And we all know he did it.

The movements sincerity about justice seems ingenious.
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It’s not only murders that matter. It’s about the policing of black communities and black individuals. Murders are obviously going to garner the most attention.

Also - and I have no idea what the 7 shootings were and the circumstance of them - but ‘justified’ is subjective. If we’re going strictly by whether or not the officers involved were convicted of murder, an unjustified shooting is going to be very very very rare. Laws are designed currently to make it nearly impossible for an officer to be convicted of murder while on duty.

Example: That officer who put like 20 rounds in a guy who he made crawl in a hotel hallway because the crying guy (who didn’t have a gun) reached back a quarter inch to pick up his shorts. That officer a) didn’t follow policy b) shot an unarmed man c) was not in danger of being killed. Any reasonable person who saw that video would/should agree the officer was wrong and straight up committed murder. That officer was found not guilty and I think he still works as a police officer.
 
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Kevin Bryan said:
I think MJ may have been better off not saying anything, as he was an admitted racist in his younger years. Did that ever really change? Nobody knows but him.
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I meant more about being a shit dad, husband, etc. Never knew anything about racism. Like, he was racist to blacks or whites?
 
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TheDude1 said:
Lebron is a sharp dude. He may not be educated in the traditional sense, but not everyone who is smart had to graduate from some great college. K spoke about him being really, really smart... the kind of guy who hears something once and can then hold onto it forever. A lot of people judge him on VERY very little... a few tweets, or a sentence that makes you uncomfortable. But if you've ever watched The Shop (a show that has been on for years in which he addresses social issues) you'll see that he is a very thoughtful guy with a pretty good understanding of the issues we face today.

And he is also very much on the "front lines" of race issues in America. He is a young, big black man who is friends who hundreds of young, big black men, who grew up in a tough neighborhood as the child of a teen mom. And all the money in the world doesn't suddenly make him less of a young black man, or take away from all of the experiences of all of the people around him, of an entire culture and community of background and knowledge and experiences.

Is he all knowing? Obviously not. Can he screw up? Obviously... he jumped the gun on this one, assuming that it was (yet another) case of a cop killing an "innocent" black person when the story first came out and when people just knew she was 13, when it turns out that the girl was threatening to kill someone. While EVERY ONE OF US has jumped the gun on a million things in our lives, none of us have the reach or influence he does, which really magnifies his screw up. He did seem to recognize, and I'd hope that it has an impact on how he speaks on things in the future.

I know Lebron is a really polarizing figure, but honestly, he shouldn't be. There are plenty of dumbass, loudmouth athletes out there, of all colors and sizes and shapes, guys who speak without having any real understanding of the issues at hand, and guys who really don't do much to elevate their communities in meaningful ways.

Lebron ain't that. The guy is thoughtful. He is among the most charitable athletes in our country. You might disagree with him, but I suspect nearly every person who insists he is just some dumb ignorant racist hasn't heard him say more than a handful of sentences, which is a pretty weak thing to base such huge judgments on.

BTW, as sports folks, ya'll should watch that show. Its really great.
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^ definitely typed that with a boner
 
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brooky03 said:
It’s not only murders that matter. It’s about the policing of black communities and black individuals. Murders are obviously going to garner the most attention.
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I agree a lot with this. Might have told this story here, not sure. But on Chris Long's podcast he talked about how when he was in high school, he was pulled over driving home from practice. He got out of his truck, opened the tailgate, got into his duffle bag, and retrieved his wallet. A cop (a black one, albeit) told him never to do that again. Good tip. Gave him a warning for speeding and sent him on his way.

Now, flip the situation. Does it end the same way? Maybe, maybe not. But, there is definitely a better chance of it ending badly. I realize there are many more variables at play, but it's a solid anecdote for this discussion.
 
brooky03 said:
It’s not only murders that matter. It’s about the policing of black communities and black individuals. Murders are obviously going to garner the most attention.

Also - and I have no idea what the 7 shootings were and the circumstance of them - but ‘justified’ is subjective. If we’re going strictly by whether or not the officers involved were convicted of murder, an unjustified shooting is going to be very very very rare. Laws are designed currently to make it nearly impossible for an officer to be convicted of murder while on duty.

Example: That officer who put like 20 rounds in a guy who he made crawl in a hotel hallway because the crying guy (who didn’t have a gun) reached back a quarter inch to pick up his shorts. That officer a) didn’t follow policy b) shot an unarmed man c) was not in danger of being killed. Any reasonable person who saw that video would/should agree the officer was wrong and straight up committed murder. That officer was found not guilty and I think he still works as a police officer.
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You forgot to mentioned that guys race. Must not have been black.
 
hailtoyourvictor said:
^ definitely typed that with a boner
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A LeBoner.

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Also, justified is certainly subjective. There’s a large contingent of mainstream liberals who still don’t think the cop was justified in shooting Bryant after those videos. What a person using common sense considers justified might not be in the eyes of the woke mob.
 
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I meant more about being a shit dad, husband, etc. Never knew anything about racism. Like, he was racist to blacks or whites?
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Per an excerpt from the book, Jordan told Lazenby that he was suspended from school in 1977 after throwing a soda at a girl who called him the N-word.

"So I threw a soda at her," Jordan's quoted as saying. "I was really rebelling. I considered myself a racist at the time. Basically, I was against all white people."
 
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Lebron isn't perfect and he might should ease up on making things too political. That being true, his harshest critics come off as both ignorant and hate filled.
 
brooky03 said:
It’s not only murders that matter. It’s about the policing of black communities and black individuals. Murders are obviously going to garner the most attention.

Also - and I have no idea what the 7 shootings were and the circumstance of them - but ‘justified’ is subjective. If we’re going strictly by whether or not the officers involved were convicted of murder, an unjustified shooting is going to be very very very rare. Laws are designed currently to make it nearly impossible for an officer to be convicted of murder while on duty.

Example: That officer who put like 20 rounds in a guy who he made crawl in a hotel hallway because the crying guy (who didn’t have a gun) reached back a quarter inch to pick up his shorts. That officer a) didn’t follow policy b) shot an unarmed man c) was not in danger of being killed. Any reasonable person who saw that video would/should agree the officer was wrong and straight up committed murder. That officer was found not guilty and I think he still works as a police officer.
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Dude, I know exactly the video you are talking about. Shit is extremely hard to watch, and the cop should be in jail for life.
 
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brooky03 said:
It’s not only murders that matter. It’s about the policing of black communities and black individuals. Murders are obviously going to garner the most attention.

Also - and I have no idea what the 7 shootings were and the circumstance of them - but ‘justified’ is subjective. If we’re going strictly by whether or not the officers involved were convicted of murder, an unjustified shooting is going to be very very very rare. Laws are designed currently to make it nearly impossible for an officer to be convicted of murder while on duty.

Example: That officer who put like 20 rounds in a guy who he made crawl in a hotel hallway because the crying guy (who didn’t have a gun) reached back a quarter inch to pick up his shorts. That officer a) didn’t follow policy b) shot an unarmed man c) was not in danger of being killed. Any reasonable person who saw that video would/should agree the officer was wrong and straight up committed murder. That officer was found not guilty and I think he still works as a police officer.
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I'm not taking the stance that there's not any problems, just for the month of Jan this year. I think I saw one yesterday where the cop put 10 rounds in the guy. That's a huge problem. I think some cops are too quick to use deadly force. Its a training issue as well as the psychological profile of the cop.

I was trained in that area in the Military. There were guys in my class that were itching to shoot someone. You were trained when to shoot and when not to. Also when to use deadly force and when not to. When you shoot multiple shots, you're definitely shooting to kill.

I don't think this list is subjective, if it portrays the truth.

List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, January 2021 - Wikipedia

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BasketBallJunkie-UK said:
I'm not taking the stance that there's not any problems, just for the month of Jan this year. I think I saw one yesterday where the cop put 10 rounds in the guy. That's a huge problem. I think some cops are too quick to use deadly force. Its a training issue as well as the psychological profile of the cop.

I was trained in that area in the Military. There were guys in my class that were itching to shoot someone. You were trained when to shoot and when not to. Also when to use deadly force and when not to. When you shoot multiple shots, you're definitely shooting to kill.

I don't think this list is subjective, if it portrays the truth.

List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, January 2021 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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I don't have any doubt the problems include poor training, WRONG training, people who join the force to use force, people who become bad apples after experiences on the job and the pressures of the job.
Republicans were generally on board with reforms for a short time last spring. As soon as police unions put pressure on them almost every republican came out against any reforms though. It's like with gun control and Trump, they are spineless.
I think Dems will have to push national legislation through with little if any support from republicans if it is going to get done.
 
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bignish said:
He took ownership of his irresponsible tweet and said he shouldn’t rush to judgment without the facts. That’s what an adult does.

If only Trump had that level of maturity.
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No he did not. And he is feeding a dangerous misperception that cops are literally hunting blacks every day. Just like he did with that bullshit racist graffiti.
 
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He was white. I thought that might help some people here identify with it.
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No I don’t think that helps anyone identify with it, well unless Theyve been tortured then shot by a police officer, but him being white is why some people here have never even HEARD of it until now, myself included.
 
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RonnieBobby said:
I don't have any doubt the problems include poor training, WRONG training, people who join the force to use force, people who become bad apples after experiences on the job and the pressures of the job.
Republicans were generally on board with reforms for a short time last spring. As soon as police unions put pressure on them almost every republican came out against any reforms though. It's like with gun control and Trump, they are spineless.
I think Dems will have to push national legislation through with little if any support from republicans if it is going to get done.
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Yeah nothing is worse to me than the republicans lack of common sense on gun laws and Democrats lack of common sense on abortion.
 
The thing about gun laws is, criminals don’t care about laws.

So all it’s policing are the law abiding citizens with guns, and if u take those away, whose the only ones left with guns.....criminals.
 
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829305 said:
Or does he just mean "let justice prevail" if the cop was justified. I don't think it's as clear cut as you want it to be, though we are inclined to believe "justice" to him might be the cop strung up. I don't know. Just happy he didn't double down like many do.
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Whoa, you don't think the shooting was justified? Clear cut?

Really?

Why?
 
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No I don’t think that helps anyone identify with it, well unless Theyve been tortured then shot by a police officer, but him being white is why some people here have never even HEARD of it until now, myself included.
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It was national headline news..
 
829305 said:
Yeah. I say shoot away. Would’ve preferred a taser, but let’s not squabble.
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Officers are authorized to use deadly force when their lives, or others lives are in danger...Pretty sure this meets that criteria. And its not 100% certain a taser slows her down, or stops her.

What do some of you want? Had this officer not fired his weapon, odds are, two people are dead. Its not as if the young lady was standing there, making threats, just casually holding a knife. She lunged at the young lady---with intent to stab her, possibly killing her.

Just, wow...
 
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Officers are authorized to use deadly force when their lives, or others lives are in danger...Pretty sure this meets that criteria. And its not 100% certain a taser slows her down, or stops her.

What do some of you want? Had this officer not fired his weapon, odds are, two people are dead. Its not as if the young lady was standing there, making threats, just casually holding a knife. She lunged at the young lady---with intent to stab her, possibly killing her.

Just, wow...
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It’s like you skipped the part where I said, “I say shoot away.” 😂
 
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