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I was thinking about the car industry the other day. You've probably already answered more than once, but for my sake, you guys still running a normal schedule? As far as I know, dealerships here in Kentucky are still allowing purchases, just no test driving. Which is probably killing sales anyways. But people need cars..
I've done walk arounds (showing the cars) via a dealerships cellphone. I've delivered more cars to homes than in person.

Which I have to say has been awesome. ppl are standoffish at a dealership, but as kind as they can be at their home. I have a lot guy (guy washes cars/go get man) follow me, and we've ate really well. I have a feeling if I wasn't about to move, they'd be customers for life.

*new car customers know what they're getting, used, I do point out flaws. I wouldn't bring them up in person, but I don't want to show up with some glaring hickey in a front fender.
 
I was thinking about the car industry the other day. You've probably already answered more than once, but for my sake, you guys still running a normal schedule? As far as I know, dealerships here in Kentucky are still allowing purchases, just no test driving. Which is probably killing sales anyways. But people need cars..

Dealerships are all open here in Tennessee. I'm not sure about test drives.
 
Then at some point we are going to accept that people are going to catch it and we are going to resume life.
I hate using the word essential because at this point it makes me want to puke, but I'll use it here. Churches and religious services are not essential. They do not provide people food or medication or medical care. If you aren't doing one of those three things, there is no reason to let people inside. Just that simple.
Look I only go to church on Easter and Mother’s Day. Hate church. But that’s not up to any man whether another man goes to church or not.
 
Dealerships are all open here in Tennessee. I'm not sure about test drives.
We're still open and give test drives daily. My family of dealerships has 15 different lots of 15 different new car brands. They all are open 13 hrs a day/ 7 days a week. We've taken a hit as our sales are down, but again, I've delivered cars to ppl's houses that didn't want to come in.
 
Then at some point we are going to accept that people are going to catch it and we are going to resume life.

Look I only go to church on Easter and Mother’s Day. Hate church. But that’s not up to any man whether another man goes to church or not.
Do you not see how silly it is to want to do that, though? I want to go get drunk at the bar down the road, but its not safe to do so. So I'll live getting drunk by myself at home.
 
Then at some point we are going to accept that people are going to catch it and we are going to resume life.

Look I only go to church on Easter and Mother’s Day. Hate church. But that’s not up to any man whether another man goes to church or not.

Society/laws/edicts/policies decide which things are acceptable and which aren't, which we've already established. People can do whatever they wish in America but at times there are consequences. Why is church any different than other places during this time?

And yes, at some point we will have to resume life, however that may take place.
 
Society/laws/edicts/policies decide which things are acceptable and which aren't, which we've already established. People can do whatever they wish in America but at times there are consequences. Why is church any different than other places during this time?

And yes, at some point we will have to resume life, however that may take place.
I'm getting recruiting postcards from churches.

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Apparently they have a rodeo field/rink(?) built into their church.
 


So no. Thanks for the links. Looked at all of them, none showed a health care system overrun by the flu. There's a big difference between some hospitals being stretched to capacity vs the entire healthcare industry being overrun.

also, none of those flu outbreaks happened despite strict social distancing protocols. Just imagine how overrun our already overrun healthcare system would be right now if we didn't lock things down? There would literally be bodies piling up in the streets and behind the closed doors of your neighbors' houses.
 
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The reason covid sucks is that it's like no one can pin down anything definitely. It's all true and all not true.
 
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Society/laws/edicts/policies decide which things are acceptable and which aren't, which we've already established. People can do whatever they wish in America but at times there are consequences. Why is church any different than other places during this time?

And yes, at some point we will have to resume life, however that may take place.
If we resume without a vaccine or before everyone catches and recovers from the virus there will be lives lost. Why don’t you care if people die?

17M people have lost their paycheck and around 16k were dead last time I checked. The projection is right around what the flu killed during its season.
 
I don’t think we should have any of those things but I can understand how they are useful.

They are arresting pastors it just takes a quick google search to find out. People are taking pictures of license plates in wal mart parking lots. People are openly gloating about how they will report you if they THINK you are getting together for Easter.

So we should basically have no laws that restrict freedoms then? Is that your stance?

If you’re consistent with that stance, then I tip my cap and say fair enough. But that means you should agree that all drugs should be legal, no restrictions on gay marriage and the benefits that come with it, no restrictions on abortion, etc. Is that fair to say?
 
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I guess I value freedom over a false sense of protection from a virus that I may not even catch and if I do an even smaller chance it will kill me. Government mandating things can’t protect me from a virus. I can only protect myself. I take the necessary precautions to not take it home from work.


We get it, you don't care about anybody but yourself.
 
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Then at some point we are going to accept that people are going to catch it and we are going to resume life.

You seem to be missing some of the fundamental reasons behind the current restrictions and the virus. It’s not to prevent all people from getting it. It’s to slow this bitch down some in the beginning so that we can allow our hospitals and health care system to catch up and not be overwhelmed.

In Italy they had thousands of nurses and doctors getting sick. And this led to thousands of deaths because they ran out of health care workers. We are trying to prevent that from happening here.
 
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So we should basically have no laws that restrict freedoms then? Is that your stance?

If you’re consistent with that stance, then I tip my cap and say fair enough. But that means you should agree that all drugs should be legal, no restrictions on gay marriage and the benefits that come with it, no restrictions on abortion, etc. Is that fair to say?
Yes in my libertarian point of view when the government tries to regulate or stick its nose in anything they **** it up. It’s not the governments business who gets married. The only laws we need are laws such as murder attempted murder assault and things of the such. At what point do you think a baby inside the mother’s stomach has its own rights?
 
We get it, you don't care about anybody but yourself.
I have a job and a paycheck. I care about the people who don’t have either just as much as the elderly and weak who MIGHT catch a virus that MIGHT kill them. Imagine if we shut down over every threat that we MAY face that MAY kill us
 
Yes in my libertarian point of view when the government tries to regulate or stick its nose in anything they **** it up. It’s not the governments business who gets married. The only laws we need are laws such as murder attempted murder assault and things of the such. At what point do you think a baby inside the mother’s stomach has its own rights?

I’m pro choice. I’m also pro legalize all drugs. Just wanted to see if you were as well, given your dislike for speeding laws.
 
I’m pro choice. I’m also pro legalize all drugs. Just wanted to see if you were as well, given your dislike for speeding laws.
I am pro choice on everything. Drugs. Speeding. At what point, if at all, do you think it is murder to kill a baby inside the mother’s stomach?

Would you feel the same way if the father decided to kill it?

do you think fathers should have to pay child support if they don’t want the kid and the mother still does?

I am small government across the board. You won’t cross my tracks on that. Some people see that as liberal. Some see it as conservative.
 
I am pro choice on everything. Drugs. Speeding. At what point, if at all, do you think it is murder to kill a baby inside the mother’s stomach?

Would you feel the same way if the father decided to kill it?

do you think fathers should have to pay child support if they don’t want the kid and the mother still does?

I am small government across the board. You won’t cross my tracks on that

I just said I’m pro choice. So obviously I don’t think it’s murder. I thought that was clear.

If a man wants to be a piece of shit father, that’s on him. But I’d also probably be okay if the girls brother went over and beat his ass.
 
I just said I’m pro choice. So obviously I don’t think it’s murder. I thought that was clear.

If a man wants to be a piece of shit father, that’s on him. But I’d also probably be okay if the girls brother went over and beat his ass.
So you don’t think the being inside the uterus has rights until it’s out? So can the father punch the gut until it’s dead and only be charged with assault against the mother?
 
So you don’t think the being inside the uterus has rights until it’s out? So can the father punch the gut until it’s dead and only be charged with assault against the mother?

Probably can be charged with more than assault to be honest. But no, I wouldn’t charge him with murder.
 
Probably can be charged with more than assault to be honest. But no, I wouldn’t charge him with murder.
What else could he be charged with besides assault? All he would have done is punched a woman in the gut. There is no person inside that gut according to you no matter how far she is along
 
What else could he be charged with besides assault? All he would have done is punched a woman in the gut. There is no person inside that gut according to you no matter how far she is along

At a minimum, aggravated assault. Given the circumstances of a pregnant woman, could very likely be a case for unlawful restraint. Possible for more depending on the actual facts.
 
The only people asking this are people who aren’t lost anyone, and I feel like a number of people who are asking are people who still have their jobs and have been more inconvenienced than anything else.

Americans too often live paycheck to paycheck and would rather spend oodles on some 50 inch tv than save. If we cannot bounce back after... what, three or four months of some real shut downs (and it isn’t all businesses, no by a long shot) with trillions of dollars being given out to tide people over... then we are doing something wrong as a people. We can get through this as a country, and I would wager the vast majority of jobs will come back... and for those whose jobs don’t, I hope they have the education and experience and toughness to get back to work in SOME way, and I hope that my tax dollars can help them do that.

So yes. When projections are looking at a million or more dead, it is worth it. Sucks, for sure... my wife’s business went under over the course of like four days, and it sucks... I’m an elementary school teacher, and to have a six figure income just... vanish... sucks for my family. Plus the damn landlord isn’t giving ANY leeway, and getting any sort of loan to help with the rent is impossible. Years building it, only to have to collapse. But if it means hundreds of thousands of people going home to their families, it is worth it... she is a hard worker, and good at her job, and we will bounce back, hopefully with my 79 year old mother and my 75 year old mother in law with lung issues still alive and snuggling with their grandkids.
They stopped paying you? For real? If so, sorry man. That’s some bullshit. As you know, I also teach, but we still get paid.
 
What are you trying to argue about that? Do you want me to link the CDC for flu deaths for 19-20 flu season

Lol. It’s not the numbers, it’s the context. You think you’re making a good point by saying one disease killed the same number of people during a time with extreme social distancing—including no live sporting events and greatly reduced airline travel—compared to another illness that was during completely normal conditions?
 
Lol. It’s not the numbers, it’s the context. You think you’re making a good point by saying one disease killed the same number of people during a time with extreme social distancing—including no live sporting events and greatly reduced airline travel—compared to another illness that was during completely normal conditions?
How low do you think we could get flu deaths if we all stayed inside? When this comes back around next year or even this fall are we gonna lock everything down again? What’s the tipping point where we continue living our risk filled lives?
 
Thread taking an interesting turn. I think it’s fair to see that political preference tells a story in regards to how people view this virus.
 
Thread taking an interesting turn. I think it’s fair to see that political preference tells a story in regards to how people view this virus.
Interesting to hear your view? And what you think political preference says about my view of the virus
 
How low do you think we could get flu deaths if we all stayed inside? When this comes back around next year or even this fall are we gonna lock everything down again? What’s the tipping point where we continue living our risk filled lives?

I’d say we could get them pretty darn low. In fact, flu cases have pretty much disappeared in the last 6 weeks.

Come the fall we will have a better handle on testing and treatment. Won’t need the extreme measures as now, but I bet we still don’t see fans in stands at sporting events.

Come early next year we will have a vaccine and then we won’t have the same concerns.
 
I’d say we could get them pretty darn low. In fact, flu cases have pretty much disappeared in the last 6 weeks.

Come the fall we will have a better handle on testing and treatment. Won’t need the extreme measures as now, but I bet we still don’t see fans in stands at sporting events.

Come early next year we will have a vaccine and then we won’t have the same concerns.
Honestly fans not being in the stands would be fine as long as I can watch the shit on TV. There’s only so many times I can plow a garden or cut my grass
 
If we resume without a vaccine or before everyone catches and recovers from the virus there will be lives lost. Why don’t you care if people die?

I don't play stupid games. I understand not wanting a legit conversation based on your stance and asking silly questions like this is certainly a good way to shut down any reasonable conversation.
 
They stopped paying you? For real? If so, sorry man. That’s some bullshit. As you know, I also teach, but we still get paid.

No no, I am still working and getting paid! My WIFE, her business collapsed. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
 
I don't play stupid games. I understand not wanting a legit conversation based on your stance and asking silly questions like this is certainly a good way to shut down any reasonable conversation.
Things will resume before we have a vaccine. People will still be getting the virus. My only question is how long do we wait and let people suffer before we make The call
 
Things will resume before we have a vaccine. People will still be getting the virus. My only question is how long do we wait and let people suffer before we make The call

That wasn't the question you asked though. This question is a good question. I don't know. I think the reasonable answer is to defer to the experts but I knot that is hard for some, especially for people who think the experts are part of some grand conspiracy or even simply that they are wrong. I assume there has to be some point where we feel the numbers are to the point where we can test and trace, right? That is why some countries have been successful and what we didn't originally do. So testing and knowledge need to increase to the point where those who know more than we do feel we can manage things.
 
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At a minimum, aggravated assault. Given the circumstances of a pregnant woman, could very likely be a case for unlawful restraint. Possible for more depending on the actual facts.


Could even be stretched to be called attempted murder of the pregnant lady if there was evidence that there was a chance of internal bleeding and complications with the pregnancy that could reasonably lead to the death of the pregnant lady. I could see an DA trying to stick that on the offending party.
 
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Interesting to hear your view? And what you think political preference says about my view of the virus


I don't think your views show a political preference. No offense (honestly), but your views just make you sound like someone incapable of grasping simple concepts of logic. You just sound like a really stupid person.
 
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