****Official B1G Off Season Thread****

[NC_Trojan10]

You don’t know who Ant Wright is?

https://m.youtube.com/c/itsAntWright

No? And based on him not being a verified account, probably some nobody.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Hail: picks Brooks over Frazier* not Curbelo, given the role.

Illinois fan: have common sense and look at stats, conclude Frazier is better over time. At the same role.

Hail: Claims he’s not a homer by pointing to Dickinson as example. Then cries and acts like a victim.

Jay himself already conceded that he was just trolling and thinks Frazier and Brooks are similar level players. The fact that you think there is a clear difference between their levels right now is why we call you Gillinois.

 

[1016CC0503]

Not sure why you would have Harper in your lineup at all.

Weakness at the position. Conference lost Wieskamp, Henry, Morsel, Wiggins, Wagner, Livers, etc.

 

[NC_Trojan10]

Weakness at the position. Conference lost Wieskamp, Henry, Morsel, Wiggins, Wagner, Livers, etc.

You had him as your starting 4 though?

 

[Jaycg15]

No? And based on him not being a verified account, probably some nobody.

Former University of Michigan PF and now a guy that runs a scouting/coaching service. Not quite your level of notoriety, but certainly not a nobody.

 

[1016CC0503]

Jay himself already conceded that he was just trolling and thinks Frazier and Brooks are similar level players. The fact that you think there is a clear difference between their levels right now is why we call you Gillinois.

Brooks is bonafide role player. Doesn’t get his own shot well, and isn’t as quick defensively.

Frazier was a third option and Brooks was a 4/5 option with Smith on similar teams.

There are reasons for that.

 

[NC_Trojan10]

Former University of Michigan PF and now a guy that runs a scouting/coaching service. Not quite your level of notoriety, but certainly not a nobody.

Anyone can run a scouting service. Gillinois here for example.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Brooks is bonafide role player. Doesn’t get his own shot well, and isn’t as quick defensively.

Frazier was a third option and Brooks was a 4/5 option with Smith on similar teams.

There are reasons for that.

And yet their numbers were nearly identical.

Do you think Jay is wrong when he says they are pretty even?

 

[1016CC0503]

You had him as your starting 4 though?

He can shoot from 3 better than Liddell, surrounding Ivey and Kofi you need spacing from the 2-4.

If he could guard 3’s I’d debate it. But I didn’t see them play enough to confidence so I slid him to the 4.

 

[1016CC0503]

And yet their numbers were nearly identical.

Do you think Jay is wrong when he says they are pretty even?

Yes.

Trent does more.

On neutral teams Frazier is a no brainer to me.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

He can shoot from 3 better than Liddell, surrounding Ivey and Kofi you need spacing from the 2-4.

If he could guard 3’s I’d debate it. But I didn’t see them play enough to confidence so I slid him to the 4.

Jesus Christ.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Yes.

Trent does more.

On neutral teams Frazier is a no brainer to me.

You just said last years teams were even. So why were their numbers nearly identical?

 

[NC_Trojan10]

He can shoot from 3 better than Liddell, surrounding Ivey and Kofi you need spacing from the 2-4.

If he could guard 3’s I’d debate it. But I didn’t see them play enough to confidence so I slid him to the 4.

He shot 31% last year from 3 and his best year was two years ago at 34%. Liddell shot 34% last year and is obviously the better player.

 

[1016CC0503]

He shot 31% last year from 3 and his best year was two years ago at 34%. Liddell shot 34% last year and is obviously the better player.

Harper is the better shooter from 3, just takes a lot of dumb shots.

There is a reason he takes 5.4 attempts from 3 a game and Liddell takes 2.8…

 

[boilerzz]

I think that graphic is wrong. Didn't Illinois win the Big Ten last year?

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Playing on similar level teams last year:

Frazier
10.2 ppg
2.7 apg
2.7 rpg
1.3 spg
1.5 topg
.389 pct from the field
.362 pct from three

Brooks
9.5 ppg
3.1 apg
3.1 rpg
1.1 spg
1.1 topg
.426 pct from the field
.396 pct from three



Pretty damn even.

 

[NC_Trojan10]

Harper is the better shooter from 3, just takes a lot of dumb shots.

There is a reason he takes 5.4 attempts from 3 a game and Liddell takes 2.8…

Why would you not take Donta Scott instead of either if you are heavily basing it on 3pt shooting?

 

[NC_Trojan10]

I think that graphic is wrong. Didn't Illinois win the Big Ten last year?

And IU won the tournament in 2020.

 

[boilerzz]

And IU won the tournament in 2020.

Hold on there. There was no tournament. But feel free to claim another national championship. You deserve it.

 

[1016CC0503]

Playing on similar level teams last year:

Frazier
10.2 ppg
2.7 apg
2.7 rpg
1.3 spg
1.5 topg
.389 pct from the field
.362 pct from three

Brooks
9.5 ppg
3.1 apg
3.1 rpg
1.1 spg
1.1 topg
.426 pct from the field
.396 pct from three



Pretty damn even.

3rd option versus 4th option, this isn’t that tough.

If Eli is your 3rd best player this year lmao

 

[NC_Trojan10]

Hold on there. There was no tournament. But feel free to claim another national championship. You deserve it.

I was talking about the Big Ten Tournament…. IU/Nebraska was the only game played… calm down there little fella it was a joke.

 

[1016CC0503]

Why would you not take Donta Scott instead of either if you are heavily basing it on 3pt shooting?

Slipped my mind, he’d be in there too.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

3rd option versus 4th option, this isn’t that tough.

If Eli is your 3rd best player this year lmao

Their numbers were still nearly identical.

 

[1016CC0503]

Their numbers were still nearly identical.

Numbers are still only numbers, we’ve been over this before.

I’ve said I don’t think Luka Garza was the best player in college last year so this shouldn’t be that surprising.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Numbers are still only numbers, we’ve been over this before.

I’ve said I don’t think Luka Garza was the best player in college last year so this shouldn’t be that surprising.

They had very similar years last year and numbers support that. Every counting stat is close with each having the edge in a couple categories. Brooks more efficient. Frazier the better defender. They had similar usage, too.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

@Jaycg15 how close are their defensive stats on Synergy? I know at one point Brooks was grading out really high but idk how it ended up.

 

[boilerzz]

I was talking about the Big Ten Tournament…. IU/Nebraska was the only game played… calm down there little fella it was a joke.

And I responded with a joke.

 

[Jaycg15]

@Jaycg15 how close are their defensive stats on Synergy? I know at one point Brooks was grading out really high but idk how it ended up.

I won’t re-up my subscription until sometime in the season.

 

[Jaycg15]

Anyone can run a scouting service. Gillinois here for example.

You couldn’t

 

[NC_Trojan10]

You couldn’t

Probably not. Time consuming and no ROI.

 

[MGC_07]

MSU currently playing @hailtoyourvictor alma mater, Ferris State in an exhibition game.

 

[CardinalBoiler]

Preseason All-B1G Selections presented by George Karlaftis' Draft Stock

1st Team
Kofi Cockburn - ILL (POY)
Trayce Jackson-Davis - IU
Jaden Ivey - PUR
EJ Liddell - OSU
Hunter Dickinson - UM

2nd Team
Trevion Williams - PUR
Eric Ayala - MD
Ron Harper, Jr. - RUT
Boo Buie - NW
Andre Curbelo - ILL

3rd Team
Caleb Houstan - UM
Jonathan Davis - WIS
Keegan Murray - IOWA
Max Christie - MSU
Donta Scott - MD

All-Freshman
1. Caleb Houstan - UM (FOY)
2. Max Christie - MSU
3. Trey McGowans - NEB

Sixth Man
1. Zach Edey - PUR
2. Doesn't matter
3. Matters even less

DPOY
1. Jamari Wheeler - OSU
2. Kofi Cockburn - ILL
3. Eric Hunter - PUR

COY
1. Micah Shrewsberry - PSU
2. Steve Pikiell - RUT
3. Juwan Howard - UM

Projected Standings
1. Michigan*
2. Purdue*
3. Illinois*
--------------------
4. Ohio State*
5. Maryland*
---------------------
6. Rutgers*
7. Indiana*
8. Michigan State*
----------------------
9. Penn State
10. Wisconsin
11. Iowa
12. Northwestern
----------------------
13. Nebraska
14. Minnesota

*NCAA Tournament team

 

[Jaycg15]

Preseason All-B1G Selections presented by George Karlaftis' Draft Stock

1st Team
Kofi Cockburn - ILL (POY)
Trayce Jackson-Davis - IU
Jaden Ivey - PUR
EJ Liddell - OSU
Hunter Dickinson - UM

2nd Team
Trevion Williams - PUR
Eric Ayala - MD
Ron Harper, Jr. - RUT
Boo Buie - NW
Andre Curbelo - ILL

3rd Team
Caleb Houstan - UM
Jonathan Davis - WIS
Keegan Murray - IOWA
Max Christie - MSU
Donta Scott - MD

All-Freshman
1. Caleb Houstan - UM (FOY)
2. Max Christie - MSU
3. Trey McGowans - NEB

Sixth Man
1. Zach Edey - PUR
2. Doesn't matter
3. Matters even less

DPOY
1. Jamari Wheeler - PSU
2. Kofi Cockburn - ILL
3. Eric Hunter - PUR

COY
1. Micah Shrewsberry - PSU
2. Steve Pikiell - RUT
3. Juwan Howard - UM

Projected Standings
1. Michigan
2. Purdue
3. Illinois
--------------------
4. Ohio State
5. Maryland
---------------------
6. Rutgers
7. Indiana
8. Michigan State
----------------------
9. Penn State
10. Wisconsin
11. Iowa
12. Northwestern
----------------------
13. Nebraska
14. Minnesota

Love the sponsor. Kofi won’t get votes for DPOY unless he plays Dickinson 20x.

 

[ThreeTwaunMoore]

Preseason All-B1G Selections presented by George Karlaftis' Draft Stock

1st Team
Kofi Cockburn - ILL (POY)
Trayce Jackson-Davis - IU
Jaden Ivey - PUR
EJ Liddell - OSU
Hunter Dickinson - UM

2nd Team
Trevion Williams - PUR
Eric Ayala - MD
Ron Harper, Jr. - RUT
Boo Buie - NW
Andre Curbelo - ILL

3rd Team
Caleb Houstan - UM
Jonathan Davis - WIS
Keegan Murray - IOWA
Max Christie - MSU
Donta Scott - MD

All-Freshman
1. Caleb Houstan - UM (FOY)
2. Max Christie - MSU
3. Trey McGowans - NEB

Sixth Man
1. Zach Edey - PUR
2. Doesn't matter
3. Matters even less

DPOY
1. Jamari Wheeler - PSU
2. Kofi Cockburn - ILL
3. Eric Hunter - PUR

COY
1. Micah Shrewsberry - PSU
2. Steve Pikiell - RUT
3. Juwan Howard - UM

Projected Standings
1. Michigan*
2. Purdue*
3. Illinois*
--------------------
4. Ohio State*
5. Maryland*
---------------------
6. Rutgers*
7. Indiana*
8. Michigan State*
----------------------
9. Penn State
10. Wisconsin
11. Iowa
12. Northwestern
----------------------
13. Nebraska
14. Minnesota

*NCAA Tournament team

Boo Boohe are you high?

 

[boiler1987]

Preseason All-B1G Selections presented by George Karlaftis' Draft Stock

1st Team
Kofi Cockburn - ILL (POY)
Trayce Jackson-Davis - IU
Jaden Ivey - PUR
EJ Liddell - OSU
Hunter Dickinson - UM

2nd Team
Trevion Williams - PUR
Eric Ayala - MD
Ron Harper, Jr. - RUT
Boo Buie - NW
Andre Curbelo - ILL

3rd Team
Caleb Houstan - UM
Jonathan Davis - WIS
Keegan Murray - IOWA
Max Christie - MSU
Donta Scott - MD

All-Freshman
1. Caleb Houstan - UM (FOY)
2. Max Christie - MSU
3. Trey McGowans - NEB

Sixth Man
1. Zach Edey - PUR
2. Doesn't matter
3. Matters even less

DPOY
1. Jamari Wheeler - PSU
2. Kofi Cockburn - ILL
3. Eric Hunter - PUR

COY
1. Micah Shrewsberry - PSU
2. Steve Pikiell - RUT
3. Juwan Howard - UM

Projected Standings
1. Michigan*
2. Purdue*
3. Illinois*
--------------------
4. Ohio State*
5. Maryland*
---------------------
6. Rutgers*
7. Indiana*
8. Michigan State*
----------------------
9. Penn State
10. Wisconsin
11. Iowa
12. Northwestern
----------------------
13. Nebraska
14. Minnesota

*NCAA Tournament team

Wheeler is on OSU now.

 

[CardinalBoiler]

Wheeler is on OSU now.

Shit - I knew that and still messed it up.

 

[CardinalBoiler]

Boo Boohe are you high?

High on Buie's potential.

 

[MGC_07]

High on Buie's potential.

Dude goes nuts every time he plays us

 

[CardinalBoiler]

Dude goes nuts every time he plays us

He was definitely a reach pick, but seems like a guy who could average 16-18 ppg on a bad team.

 

[MGC_07]

We beat a pretty decent D2 program Ferris State 92-58. About what the fanbase expected out this game. Christie looks pretty good, but hard to take much from a D2 exhibition game.