You think Bryce McGowans as a freshman is better than a 5th year Brooks or Frazier? I doubt either of us would take that swap this year.
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You think Bryce McGowans as a freshman is better than a 5th year Brooks or Frazier? I doubt either of us would take that swap this year.
That's a different issue than the one we're discussing. Our teams need that leadership and defense on the perimeter. The team we're discussing would not need that as much.
Frazier and Brooks ate probably both better than a first year McGowens and Eli’s skillset pairs excellent with an two guard like Ivey.
Yeah, I didn't pick Brooks because I think he's necessarily better than those guys. I just think he would fit better with them.
How many freshman guards have come in and had a better freshman season than Brooks did last year? The only Michigan one I can think is Trey Burke. Stauskas? Probably not. Close (Stauskas better offensively, Eli way better defense). Walton? No. Irvin? No. Simpson? No. Poole? No. Jackson? No. Bufkin and Collins probably not.
Just don’t see many freshman guards coming in and putting up an efficient 10/3/3 while playing top tier defense.
Just don’t see many freshman guards coming in and putting up an efficient 10/3/3 while playing top tier defense.
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Ayo Dosunmu: 13.8 ppg, 3.3 apg, 4 rpg, 35.2% 3P%, 24.2 USG
Andre Curbelo: 9.1 ppg, 4.2 apg, 4 rpg, 16.1% 3P%, 24.9 USG
Trent Frazier: 12.5 ppg, 3.1 apg, 1.8 rpg, 34.7% 3P%, 26.3 USG
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Eli Brooks: 9.5 ppg, 3.1 apg, 3.1 rpg, 39.6% 3P%, 16.2 USG
All had better or similar freshman seasons to Eli Brooks had last year.
Keegan Murray making the pre season first team. Wtf is that shit?
How the fvck did he make the top 11? 7 pts 5 boards. FOH.
My predicated All Big Ten teams
1st team
Kofi Cockburn
Hunter Dickinson
EJ Liddell
Jaden Ivey
Trayce Jackson Davis
2nd team
Ron Harper Jr.
Andre Curbelo
Caleb Houston
Trevion Williams
Qudas Wahab
3rd team
Eric Ayala
Max Christie
Justice Sueing
Keegan Murray
Bryce McGowens
1st team
Kofi Cockburn
Hunter Dickinson
EJ Liddell
Jaden Ivey
Trayce Jackson Davis
2nd team
Ron Harper Jr.
Andre Curbelo
Caleb Houston
Trevion Williams
Qudas Wahab
3rd team
Eric Ayala
Max Christie
Justice Sueing
Keegan Murray
Bryce McGowens
They probably asked everyone for their top 10 players. Those 5 were on everyone’s top 10 I would guess. There are probably 11 due to a tie.
My predicated All Big Ten teams
1st team
Kofi Cockburn
Hunter Dickinson
EJ Liddell
Trayce Jackson Davis
Andre Curbelo
2nd team
Ron Harper Jr.
Jaden Ivey
Caleb Houston
Trevion Williams
Eric Ayala
3rd team
Donta Scott
Max Christie
Xavier Johnson
Keegan Murray
Zach Edey
1st team
Kofi Cockburn
Hunter Dickinson
EJ Liddell
Trayce Jackson Davis
Andre Curbelo
2nd team
Ron Harper Jr.
Jaden Ivey
Caleb Houston
Trevion Williams
Eric Ayala
3rd team
Donta Scott
Max Christie
Xavier Johnson
Keegan Murray
Zach Edey
I see a glaring omission here. I’d wear a cup if I were you.
WHERE THE FVCK IS SASHA STEFANOVIC?
I told you already. The media doesn't recognize the unbelievable value provided by an elite entry passer.
Generational entry passer. Pistol Pete Stefanovic.
Ranking the Top 100 And 1 best college basketball players entering the 2021-22 season
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Gonna be a lot of crow served by the end of the year. Can’t keep the white guards down for long.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills watching someone pump Eli Brooks this hard. He didn’t even meet the qualifications to be considered more than a Limited Role Player last year. He’s fine, but Jesus.
He couldn’t even guard Frazier last year. They had to put Chaundee on him - not that that went any better.
He couldn’t even guard Frazier last year. They had to put Chaundee on him - not that that went any better.
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Eli Brooks 118.3 offensive rating, 99.0 defensive rating
Trent Frazier 102.4 offensive rating, 104.1 defensive rating
What a horrible list lolRanking the Top 100 And 1 best college basketball players entering the 2021-22 season
The best players in the nation according to CBS Sports' college hoops experts -- and what you need to know about each one.
And you don’t think it’s crazy that you guys are pumping Frazier as much as you are?
We are being objective with him. You acting like Frazier’s freshman year was better completely neglecting how much more efficient Brooks was is that confusing thing.
Eli Brooks, 5th option on a team with a good offense. Trent Frazier 1st option on a team with a bad offense. You’re not going to railroad me with a zero context stat. Sitting on the wing and shooting open jumpers because the defense prioritizes you behind every other player doesn’t make you better.
Oh okay. DaMonte Williams is objectively better than Eli Brooks then. The end. We can move on.
Efficiency is not the be all end all but dismissing its relevance when that’s part of what makes Eli Brooks valuable makes zero sense.
| Player | PPG | APG | TRB | STL | Ortg | Drtg | 3P% | USG | WS/40 |
| Eli Brooks | 9.5 | 3.1 | 3.1 | 1.1 | 118.3 | 99 | 39.6 | 16.2 | 0.154 |
| Trent Frazier | 12.5 | 3.1 | 1.8 | 1.7 | 102.9 | 104.1 | 34.7 | 26.3 | 0.105 |
| Da'Monte Williams | 5.5 | 1.7 | 5.3 | 0.8 | 137.8 | 95.2 | 54.7 | 9.2 | 0.171 |
| Frazier net of Brooks | 3 | 0 | -1.3 | 0.6 | -15.4 | 5.1 | -4.9 | 10.1 | -0.049 |
| Williams Net of Brooks | -4 | -1.4 | 2.2 | -0.3 | 19.5 | -3.8 | 15.1 | -7 | 0.017 |
Da'Monte Williams ORtg 137.8 > 118.3 and Drtg 95.2 < 99. He's much more efficient, and you're clearly neglecting that.
Da'Monte was much more efficient, had a higher ORtg, Drtg, WS/40, 3P%, TRB. Try to be objective.
Da'Monte Williams
Jaden Ivey
Caleb Houstan
EJ Liddell
Kofi Cockburn
Williams is the perfect complement. He plays great defense, can bring the ball up, and he was the best 3pt shooter in the country.
Jaden Ivey
Caleb Houstan
EJ Liddell
Kofi Cockburn
Williams is the perfect complement. He plays great defense, can bring the ball up, and he was the best 3pt shooter in the country.
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