Took a year longer to make the tournament. That’s typically the barometer for success in a rebuild. Pretty straightforward.
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Sentence 1 is moronic. Sentence 2, so what? Hiring assistants that recruit is part of the job.
Correct. His biggest accomplishment at the P5 level is a 2nd place finish in conference. Not close to Crean’s accomplishments at the same level.
And? It’s the introduction into an argument about a guy whose career is at a different stage. Apples to oranges.
he never finished above 5th place at Marquette. His final 4 run was because he lucked into a HOFer. Sorry, his assistant lucked into a HOFer.
Ok, in that case your statement makes sense then. I was confused how you could think that at first.
How? It's nothing against him but he coached with players that weren't allowed to play per the rules. Who's to know what kids he would have gotten and how he would have done had they followed the rules.
I'm not saying Underwood is a bad coach, not a good coach etc, but he hasn't accomplished much and imo still in a wait and see. I don't know why some are so insecure to admit that.
It's just interesting to me that a coach who had a fantastic record at a mid major, at best, who turned out to be playing with ineligible players, then one year at a major college where he did avg, then at Illinois where he's made them better but just lost his entire coaching staff. You can see the hesitation from non homers
So we are comparing how good coaches are, and you want to discount evidence because of clerical errors? If Marquette released a statement that the final 4 run was vacated because they misspelled Dwyane then your entire argument changes?
That is stupid.
He took a 12 win team and turned them into a 20 win team. That’s all you can ask of a coach in limited time. It’s just called bias.
Clerical? They wouldn't have been academically eligible, they didn't just vacate wins cause they misspelled their names.
But it's one year. Hardly a big enough sample size. Certainly you can appreciate that.
In the context of his coaching career, it’s just another piece of evidence. He’s won at every stop. If it’s fair to ignore that, I choose to ignore the F4 run since it appears to have been an anomaly. It’s just one year, and I’m sure you can appreciate that.
Administrative a better word?
“On May 20, 2020, following the discovery of an administrative error in certifying eligibility for student-athletes, Stephen F. Austin reached an agreement with the NCAA to vacate hundreds of wins”
“According to a statement from the SFA Athletics this spring they discovered the process that certified student-athletes being ruled as academically eligible was not meeting all NCAA requirements as former staffers were incorrectly counting all semester credit hours instead of counting only degree-applicable credits. As a result 82 student-athletes were improperly certified over the six-year period”
It is completely irrelevant to the situation.
Administrative error regarding eligibility due to academics. Aka they shouldn't have been eligible due to grades/classes.
Certainly but the sweet 16s and conference titles back it up. Something Underwood has never done.
Because they used all of their grades rather than degree related. Not like Underwood was involved. It’s irrelevant. He coached the players and that’s what we’re talking about.
You think someone misspelling Dwayne is the same as this?
“According to a statement from the SFA Athletics this spring they discovered the process that certified student-athletes being ruled as academically eligible was not meeting all NCAA requirements as former staffers were incorrectly counting all semester credit hours instead of counting only degree-applicable credits. As a result 82 student-athletes were improperly certified over the six-year period.”
That’s over 9 sports. And it didn’t say what player. Could’ve been the 8th guy. I know you don’t think that’s relevant to evaluating how well a coach coaches.
You want amnesty for injuries, but not an administrator misapplying a rule. Lol
This is peak trolling. I’m not replying to you in this argument moving forward.
You’re trying to act like misspelling someone’s name is the same as an error granting players eligible when they shouldn’t have been. You’re not that big of an idiot.
Current Big Ten coaches with a better coaching resume than Underwood:
1. Izzo
2. Painter
3. Howard
4. Gard
5. Turgeon
6. Holtmann
7. IU’s Associate Head Coach
1. Izzo
2. Painter
3. Howard
4. Gard
5. Turgeon
6. Holtmann
7. IU’s Associate Head Coach
Has anyone argued otherwise? Our Associate Head Coach does have the second best resume of any coach in the Big Ten though.
I do think Woodson wins the Big Ten before Underwood though.
And they shouldn't have been playing. They were players who if the rules were followed wouldn't have played. I'm sure there were better players he didn't take who would have been eligible that happens all the time. Meaning his record at SFA wouldn't be what it was had he followed the rules. Not his fault but it's an interesting note when looking at his successes.
I'll give Underwood credit for making it as far with SFA then he did with Illinois as a 1 seed.
I wonder how many generational talents SFA had
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