It’s been mentioned on here multiple times, seems weird you are interested considering your opinion on my takes.
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The link to it has never once been sent here. You always runaway when people ask for it.
Still waiting to hear how a top 3 finish and a Sweet 16 moves Underwood ahead of what Crean accomplished at IU.
Borden, you are responding to posts that are in a conversation with another poster, and you have no context on the other persons previous point that I’m countering. If you don’t have thar context we gonna keep going in circles and rehash.
Last 10 years- Indiana
Since Underwood has gotten his own guys- Illinois
Unfortunately only one of these matters in the present….
I don’t care that Illinois isn’t a blueblood.
Glad to know you’ve stepped off the ledge in regards to Indiana’s blueblood status.
Yes, Painter.
PM me if you are actually interested.
Tom Crean is 55 years old and Brad Underwood is 56 years old, if you had a program to build and had to hire a coach, who’s getting the call?
Oh I’m interested, but go ahead and post it here so we can all view it.
I wouldn’t choose either Crean or Underwood. Crean has accomplished far more as a college basketball coach than Underwood has though. Crean accomplished far more in his first 4 seasons (and will continue that after their respective 5th seasons) in the Big Ten than Underwood has/will. The guy you idolize isn’t even Tom Crean caliber. Get that through your head.
That’s cool man, you seem to be the one asking though.
Good to know you can’t answer that question though, I think we all know what that means.
You won’t take the coach that’s given you the best results in the last 15ish years over the guy we have now.
Maybe Brad Stevens will answer the phone in a couple years!
Go ahead and send me the link in a PM. Imagine being so embarrassed by your work as a fake recruiting analyst that you won’t even share the link with people.
I’d take Crean over Underwood all day. He’s accomplished far more than Underwood will in his entire career, and he’s done it at two different schools.
Who knows, Brad Stevens may answer the call in the future. We probably have a decade or so before we need to have that call again.
Archie didn’t succeed even with IU recruiting itself. Crean was great at player development as well. Just a bad in game coach.
Archie couldn’t build a roster, but he could coach better than Crean. I don’t think he was ready for that level of a job.
Crean could build a roster, but he was a terrible coach.
Underwood has been able to do both. Even if Moser out-executed him last year, Georgia trade Crean for Underwood in a heartbeat.
I wouldn’t trade Crean for Underwood at IU. He built great teams, and he was a great developer of talent. Underwood has coached one good team
I would personally take Underwood over Crean. The jury is still out on him. We know what Crean is at this point.
For those interested in something other than s--tposting. "Secret scrimmage" schedule.
BIG TEN
Illinois – None
Indiana – 10/17 vs. Cincinnati; 10/30 vs. Belmont in Louisville
Iowa – 10/23 vs. Bradley
Maryland – 10/16 at Pittsburgh
Michigan – 10/31 at DePaul
Michigan State – None
Minnesota – 10/23 at Oklahoma
Nebraska – 10/31 vs. Colorado (COVID-19 relief exhibition)
Northwestern – 10/30 vs. Iowa State in Davenport, Iowa
Ohio State – 10/24 vs. Ole Miss in Nashville
Penn State – 10/23 at George Mason; 10/30 vs. Duquesne
Purdue – 10/30 at Providence
Rutgers – 10/17 at Villanova
Wisconsin – 10/23 vs. Loyola Chicago at UW-Whitewater
BIG TEN
Illinois – None
Indiana – 10/17 vs. Cincinnati; 10/30 vs. Belmont in Louisville
Iowa – 10/23 vs. Bradley
Maryland – 10/16 at Pittsburgh
Michigan – 10/31 at DePaul
Michigan State – None
Minnesota – 10/23 at Oklahoma
Nebraska – 10/31 vs. Colorado (COVID-19 relief exhibition)
Northwestern – 10/30 vs. Iowa State in Davenport, Iowa
Ohio State – 10/24 vs. Ole Miss in Nashville
Penn State – 10/23 at George Mason; 10/30 vs. Duquesne
Purdue – 10/30 at Providence
Rutgers – 10/17 at Villanova
Wisconsin – 10/23 vs. Loyola Chicago at UW-Whitewater
Loyola Chicago? Can’t believe we have to scrimmage that juggernaut.
Couldn't really build a roster either, maybe couldn't maintain a roster is best way to put it, that 2013 team was good. His biggest strength was player development because he was a workaholic nut thanks to the insecurities. That rubbed off on players with actual talent. With that said he's had more success than Underwood, by far.
At this moment give me Underwoods top 3 achievements in college basketball.
Who would you choose though right now between Crean and Underwood? I would go Underwood.
Are you picking a coach based on lack of failures or lack of achievements? Creans been a head coach for almost 15 years longer. My knock against Underwood has always been the same thing, what has he really done? Did well at SFA with academically ineligible kids, one year at OSU, then his two best years at Illinois, which can be largely attributed to the recruiting of Antigua, produced no titles or post season results. It's sad as I was really high on Illinois the past two years preseason and I've been disappointed every time.
Picking a coach as in who would you actually want leading your team right now.
There is a looooong list of coaches I would rather have leading my team than those two. If forced to choose, I would still take Crean as he has proven success at two different schools. Higher ceiling, lower floor.
Underwood has proven success at three. He rebuilt Illinois faster than Crean rebuilt Indiana, and he’s about to win 20 games for 3 straight seasons - something Crean never did at Indiana. Your insecurity is hanging out.
Lol what 3 schools did Underwood have success at? He hasn’t had tournament success anywhere. Crean has a Final 4 at Marquette and 3 Sweet 16s at IU. Once again, you are basing your argument on some random stat that hasn’t even occurred yet (20 wins in 3 straight seasons).
You say Underwood rebuilt Illinois faster, yet you have nothing to show for it. Crean inherited a much worse situation, and still took IU to the Sweet 16 in year 4 (losing to the AD Kentucky team, not Loyola). In year 5 he won the conference outright and another Sweet 16.
Indiana was in a much worse state. But if you think getting a 1seed and losing in the round of 32 in year 4 is better than winning the big and losing a sweet 16 game as a 1 seed is better have at it.
1 year at OSU is hard to say proven and having 2 years vacated at SFA doesn't help either.
That had nothing to do with Underwood. What an ignorant take. It was across 9 sports.
Your way of removing any credit Underwood deserves is idiocy.
Every single season Crean had was because his assistant coaches recruited a kid. I’d like to see one where he recruited the team himself.
Underwood has a 20 win tourney team in year 3. He has only missed the tournament in the first two years he rebuilt Illinois. Crean has missed the tournament in 12/20 seasons. It’s not an argument for anyone other than you two.
As IU Btown has been asking, can you list the 3 biggest accomplishments for Underwood at this point in his career?
By the way, Crean had a 27 win tourney team that made the sweet 16 in year 4, and a 29 win tourney team that made the sweet 16 in year 5. Since you like to throw out meaningless win total stats, how many times has Brad Underwood had 25+ wins at a P5 school? Crean has done it 3 times.
Crean has a higher ceiling and lower floor. You and your Illinois fanboys are the only ones that think Underwood has accomplished anything meaningful.
You like inventing things I’ve said, huh? Crean is coaching (unsuccessfully) at Georgia right now because he was consistently inconsistent. He might get fired from that job soon too. The fact you think this is an argument is cute.
Do your own research.
Whether he had anything to do with it is inconsequential. They're kids that shouldn't have been eligible. Thing with Crean is he had tons of different assistants and still has a large number of players that played in the NBA.
You can say what you want but Creans been to a final 4 3 sweet 16s and won 3 major conference titles. Underwood hasn't accomplished any of those.
Huh? In Crean's 4th year at Marquette, he made a final four. In Crean's 4th year at Indiana, he made a Sweet 16.
I’ve done all my own research. At almost 60 years old, Underwood has accomplished nothing of relevance at the P5 level.
Still waiting on the top 3 accomplishments of Underwood’s career. I understand it’s a tough list for you to come up with.
Why don’t you give us your order for best coaches in the Big Ten currently? I’m sure that will get a good laugh as well.
“Do your own research” is becoming a staple of your defenses here. God forbid you just answer the question
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