I wouldn't be shocked to see his mins/game be on that high end. He wasn't really foul prone, so I bet he stays on the court as much as possible.
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I'd be pretty concerned by the fact that the guys IU returns shot 32% from 3 and 64% from the line last season. I'd be helping on Romeo and Juwan like crazy and daring just about everyone on that team to shoot the ball. They're relying on bad shooters to make strides or for freshmen to come in and shoot really well, which doesn't happen too often.
Not to say they can't be good while being a bad shooting team -- I think they will be pretty good, like 5/6 seed type -- but it'll rear it's head quite a bit with the potential to be a real Achilles heel for that team.
can't believe how many people are losing their minds over me saying carsen will score 23-25 a game. he's probably going from 29.5 mpg to 37 mpg this season and he's going to have the ball in his hands a ton more, all the time. we'll revisit these posts after the season, but I'll stand by the 23-25. I also think Purdue is looking at a 7-9 seed type team, simply because their conference schedule is so difficult and yeah the roster isn't great.
I once tried looking up when Kansas offered, I knew nothing of DeSousa and Kansas until he left campus. Days later he committed. Entire ordeal was shady.
I once tried looking up when Kansas offered, I knew nothing of DeSousa and Kansas until he left campus. Days later he committed. Entire ordeal was shady.
Not shocked to see Kansas is holding him out. Got to think he is done with college basketball.
You will be relying on bad 3pt shooters and bad free throw shooters to make big strides (Nojel, Eifert, Haarms). In a shooting contest, I'm taking Green, McBobs, and Smith all day over those 3.
Smith had a pretty mid range jumper at times. That kid is not getting enough attention in my opinion. I see big things coming from him.
Well, I think that most people here see how balanced and dangerous the Purdue team surrounding Edwards last year was. They compare it to what is going to be around him this year and it's hard to compare the two. One had four other guys who demanded respect and could beat you. Nobody has seen anyone outside of Edwards go out and demand that respect like last year's team did. So, given the attention Edwards is going to get, I don't think it's crazy to think he won't be as productive even with him shooting more and seeing more minutes. He'll get his points, but 23-25ppg is really high. Don't think it's unattainable, but I would think that 20ppg or so is more realistic. Don't think anyone is losing their minds, either.
on top of proven college 3 pt shooters in Carsen, Cline, and Boudreaux.
I don't disagree that we need some unproven offensive guys to develop, but IU really does too. I think Green has potential as a shooter, but otherwise I think IU projects to be a very bad shooting team.
I think we'll be much better than we were last year. How much better? Don't know. But I would guess that teams won't just be giving us the 3pt shot this year like they were last year. Not saying we're going to be one of the best in the B10, either, by the way. I just think we'll be much improved.
I very much disagree.
Green > Eastern
Romeo < Carsen
McBob = Cline (percentage)
Smith > Eifert
Morgan > Haarms
Fitzner > EB
Durham < Hunter
Hunter = Wheeler
That's just the top 8. Even if you take Cline over Mcbob you still lose the head to head shooting battle by position.
I could see some improvement out of Green, as I liked his shot.
But Phinisee was an average shooter at the HS level and projects as a starter, McBob and Smith were terrified to shoot the 3, Morgan is a bad shooter even when 5 men were sagging. I think Hunter is a good shooter, but I'm not sure where he fits in. I expect Anderson's funky shot to struggle as an underclassman.
IU will still score points by getting out in transition and by having two really good scorers. But the goal will be to get them in the half court, help off the non-shooters on Romeo/Morgan, and let those guys beat you. That is easier said than done.
I think it'll be similar to Purdue, but we'll be able to spread the floor a little better while having fewer projected true scorers.
Overall, the two team's ceilings will be determined by these things IMO.
I see you have no argument against it...
I also noticed you didnt dispute that IU has better shooters by position..
I think you'll see improvement out of Green, Smith, Durham and Morgan. Not saying they'll be 40% shooters, but they'll all be better than they were last year. Add in Fitz, a 40% 3pt shooter, and we'll be fine from the 3pt line. My guess (hope), at least.
Your McBob - Cline comparison is at best trolling, and at worst a sign of a serious mental handicap.
You also left out the guy projected to start at PG.
You know that what you put together isn't even borderline close to an accurate comparison.
When you believe Zach McRoberts (i didnt know that was his actual name until i just looked it up) is an equal shooter to Cline, there's no point in arguing anything with you lmaoooooooo
Morgan is honestly the guy that I could see making a surprise jump. He's already all around very good, and he knows that it'll be key to his draft aspirations. I could see him putting a ton of time into it.
Make an argument against it using stats. Dont use a "everyone knows Cline is a better shooter than McRoberts".
The fact is, you cant. They are both 39% shooters. Cline hits double the amount of 3s, but only because he takes more.
The big difference between Cline and Mcroberts is that Clines job on the team is to be a shooter. He is a terrible defender. Mcbobs real job on the team is to be a great defender and do the little things. It just so happens that he does Clines job at the same level as well...
Eastern shot 33% from 3 last year.
IU's entire returning roster shot 32%.
Eastern is the better shooter. Stats say so
McBob is a great defender? I'd have to agree. Carsen Edwards would be perpetually mystified if he had a guy nicknamed "McBob" checking him. He'd shit his britches for sure.
See that's a good argument. I'm helping you to be a better poster. Dont just say things like "thats dumb". Say things like "That's dumb, and here's why...."
You are starting to learn and I'm proud of you.
That doesnt change the fact that even if you take Cline over McBob that IU still has better shooters...
You must not watch Iu. It was like when people thought Mathias wasnt a good defender because he was an unathletic "white" dude
Mathias was touted as a great defender by opposing players, media, and coaches. I've never heard "McBoB" and "great defender" used in the same sentence by anyone except for you.
I'm sure the rest of the IU guys here would back that up.
That will undoubtedly convince me.
Let me employ some Purdue fans to tell you how good of a shooter Nojel Eastern is.
How is he wrong? Similar percentage. Cline just shoots more. That wasn't McRoberts role. However, Archie has mentioned he's worked with McRoberts on being more comfortable taking open shots. I think you'll see him take more shots this year when he's open that he passed on last year. But again, same percentage. How is he wrong?
Dude you haven't provided any sort of argument... iu projects to be a better shooting team than Purdue. You have no argument against it.
Well all the Purdue fans I know think Nojel sucks, so not sure you will have much support there. Hunter will be starting over Nojel by conference.
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