ADVERTISEMENT

*Official* B1G Off-season Thread

Morgan is honestly the guy that I could see making a surprise jump. He's already all around very good, and he knows that it'll be key to his draft aspirations. I could see him putting a ton of time into it.

He also shot 38% from 3 in Big 10 play and started out by hitting something like 1 for 18.

Indiana started out pretty piss poor from the 3 last year. In Big 10 play, some stuff improved. Of the returning players last year including Fitzner, they shot an average of 37% from 3 in B10.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SNU0821
That's just dumb. Here is an example why.

Player A:

10%
13%
15%
42%

Career average: 20%

Player B
19%
22%
24%
25%

Career average: 22.5%

Okay, now you are heading into a new season. Is player A or B the better shooter?
Morgan has hit 24 total threes in conference play for his career at IU in 1,104 minutes played. I can see him shooting well this season but it’s hard to say he will be now.
 
That's just dumb. Here is an example why.

Player A:

10%
13%
15%
42%

Career average: 20%

Player B
19%
22%
24%
25%

Career average: 22.5%

Okay, now you are heading into a new season. Is player A or B the better shooter?
Extreme, extreme example that would never happen. But Player B, over time, is the better shooter, as your terrible example says. Player's A 42% was a complete fluke.
 
  • Like
Reactions: snowsquirrel11
Morgan has hit 24 total threes in conference play for his career at IU in 1,104 minutes played. I can see him shooting well this season but it’s hard to say he will be now.
Haarms has hit 1 3 in conference play in his career. That was the comparison. Morgan > 3pt shooter than Haarms.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SNU0821
Extreme, extreme example that would never happen. But Player B, over time, is the better shooter, as your terrible example says. Player's A 42% was a complete fluke.
Again, go look at Oladipo's numbers in college and then into the pros. He shot 30% and under in his first two years at IU and then over 40% in his junior year on more attempts. I don't think it's that extreme. May not be the norm, but it's not like Oladipo was the only one to do this.
 
Haarms has hit 1 3 in conference play in his career. That was the comparison. Morgan > 3pt shooter than Haarms.
Oh, no I wouldn’t say Haarms is a better three point shooter than Morgan. I thought you were just saying Morgan shot 37% from 3 last year in conference so he will be good to go to be a serious threat from there this season.
 
Extreme, extreme example that would never happen. But Player B, over time, is the better shooter, as your terrible example says. Player's A 42% was a complete fluke.
Or he just became good. Should people have chalked Cuanzo Martin's junior year up as a fluke?
 
Morgan has hit 24 total threes in conference play for his career at IU in 1,104 minutes played. I can see him shooting well this season but it’s hard to say he will be now.

31....and 45% (14 of them) of them were in the B10 conference last year.
 
Oh, no I wouldn’t say Haarms is a better three point shooter than Morgan. I thought you were just saying Morgan shot 37% from 3 last year in conference so he will be good to go to be a serious threat from there this season.
No. I was comparing Purdue and IU by position at who had the better shooters.
 
Again, go look at Oladipo's numbers in college and then into the pros. He shot 30% and under in his first two years at IU and then over 40% in his junior year on more attempts. I don't think it's that extreme. May not be the norm, but it's not like Oladipo was the only one to do this.
Oladipo also had/has an unreal work ethic. Yes, players can certainly improve.
 
31....and 45% (14 of them) of them were in the B10 conference last year.
I was looking at just conference play but that was my point. The total is still so low I don’t think teams will mind letting him shoot it until he proves he can hit them at a high rate and a higher quantity of them.
 
No. I was comparing Purdue and IU by position at who had the better shooters.
Not really how basketball works though. You don’t need 5 three point shooters on the floor, you just need a few good shooters that take a high number of shots to space the floor out enough. Also beneficial to bring guys off the bench that can shoot it from deep. You can’t compare position by position, it has to be looked at as a bigger overall picture. Which is why your Mcroberts to Cline comparison was silly.
 
Fitz was playing behind some good bigs, which impacted his minutes. As for EB, he was the man on an absolutely terrible team in a terrible conference. Also needs to be considered.

I'd also argue Green has a good looking shot. Eastern? Not so much.
I agree that Eastern isn’t going to light it up from deep. But, if you are comparing returning players, Purdue leads whether you use last years average or shots made. This is why I say the numbers don’t support IU being better this year. It could happen, but I don’t see Romeo taking his 36% average and increasing it when he is playing against bigger, stronger players or shooting from a line that’s farther out.
IU finished 307 last season in 3 point shooting. I am sure it will get better this year and Purdue should drop losing Pj and Dakota, but will those tie numbers flip? Just for reference, Purdue finished #2 overall last season.
 
Not really how basketball works though. You don’t need 5 three point shooters on the floor, you just need a few good shooters that take a high number of shots to space the floor out enough. Also beneficial to bring guys off the bench that can shoot it from deep. You can’t compare position by position, it has to be looked at as a bigger overall picture. Which is why your Mcroberts to Cline comparison was silly.
Where does your shooting come from outside of Carsen and Cline?
 
  • Like
Reactions: SNU0821
I agree that Eastern isn’t going to light it up from deep. But, if you are comparing returning players, Purdue leads whether you use last years average or shots made. This is why I say the numbers don’t support IU being better this year. It could happen, but I don’t see Romeo taking his 36% average and increasing it when he is playing against bigger, stronger players or shooting from a line that’s farther out.
IU finished 307 last season in 3 point shooting. I am sure it will get better this year and Purdue should drop losing Pj and Dakota, but will those tie numbers flip? Just for reference, Purdue finished #2 overall last season.
I think you see a dip similar to what Iu had between 12-13 and 13-14.

We shot 40% as a team in 12-13.

We shot 34% as a team in 13-14.
 
Aaron Wheeler, Evan Boudreaux, Eric Hunter will hit their fair share of threes.
I agree with EB and Hunter. I disagree with Wheeler. Given that I have two Purdue fan roommates, I've seen Wheeler play in the WUG, this summer for USA, and in scrimmages. He projects as a very low percentage shooter.
 
I agree with EB and Hunter. I disagree with Wheeler. Given that I have two Purdue fan roommates, I've seen Wheeler play in the WUG, this summer for USA, and in scrimmages. He projects as a very low percentage shooter.
Then you’re not watching because he’s shot well?
 
  • Like
Reactions: B-Westy
I was looking at just conference play but that was my point. The total is still so low I don’t think teams will mind letting him shoot it until he proves he can hit them at a high rate and a higher quantity of them.

He shot 37 of them and made 14 of them last year. Vince Edwards shot 64 and made 24 of them last year. Morgan is more of an inside player anyway. The stupidity of this argument with Morgan in general is how efficient he was in the post. He got a ton of double teams and ended up having a 30 PER and that is including his 30% 3 pt shooting for the entire season. Having Fitzner out there, Romeo out there, and hopefully, the others can improve, etc. will only help Morgan out as last year....people didn't have many people to guard as he tore up people in the post.

The other point I made still stands. Morgan started the season 2 for 18 from 3. He ended up hitting at a higher clip. The rest of the team hit at a higher clip. I included Fitzer's conference shooting percentages....they all hit 37% during the Big10. Most of these kids were young too and didn't play much the year before and learning a entirely different system.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SNU0821
He shot 37 of them and made 14 of them last year. Vince Edwards shot 64 and made 24 of them last year. Morgan is more of an inside player anyway. The stupidity of this argument with Morgan in general is how efficient he was in the post. He got a ton of double teams and ended up having a 30 PER and that is including his 30% 3 pt shooting for the entire season. Having Fitzner out there, Romeo out there, and hopefully, the others can improve, etc. will only help Morgan out as last year....people didn't have many people to guard as he tore up people in the post.

The other point I made still stands. Morgan started the season 2 for 18 from 3. He ended up hitting at a higher clip. The rest of the team hit at a higher clip. I included Fitzer's conference shooting percentages....they all hit 37% during the Big10. Most of these kids were young too and didn't play much the year before and learning a entirely different system.
No one is saying Morgan isn’t a stud. People were just discussing where IU’s perimeter shooting will come from.
 
And literally the main thing Painter talks about regarding Wheeler IS his shooting. Lmfao.
Exactly. That's why I wouldn't be expecting much from Wheeler this season if I were you. He is a guy whose only skill is shooting, and he hasnt done that well.
 
Lol he's shot horrible? The last scrimmage he did manage to get to 2-5, but the WUG, the USA games, and the first scrimmage he was bad.
He shot 40% in the WUG from three but hardly played in general. I think you’re just making stuff up. Seriously everyone has talked about how well Wheeler is shooting it. If he doesn’t play it’s not because of his ability to shoot.
 
He shot 40% in the WUG from three but hardly played in general. I think you’re just making stuff up. Seriously everyone has talked about how well Wheeler is shooting it. If he doesn’t play it’s not because of his ability to shoot.
What was he in Italy? We will see what he is capable of in a couple weeks, but from the games I've watched, he doesn't project as a high percentage shooter. Just like Sasha.
 
He and Ryan Cline had the exact same defensive rating last season at 101.8. Think he’s a fine defender but wouldn’t put him at all big ten level. Eastern was at 96.6 for example.
That's not how defensive rating works. How were each of their defensive ratings compared to the team average defensive rating?
 
That's not how defensive rating works. How were each of their defensive ratings compared to the team average defensive rating?
No it measures the individual that the player is guarding.
Defensive Rating estimates how many points the player allowed per 100 possessions he individually faced while on the court.

The core of the Defensive Rating calculation is the concept of the individual Defensive Stop. Stops take into account the instances of a player ending an opposing possession that are tracked in the boxscore (blocks, steals, and defensive rebounds), in addition to an estimate for the number of forced turnovers and forced misses by the player which aren't captured by steals and blocks.
 
No it measures the individual that the player is guarding.
Defensive Rating estimates how many points the player allowed per 100 possessions he individually faced while on the court.

The core of the Defensive Rating calculation is the concept of the individual Defensive Stop. Stops take into account the instances of a player ending an opposing possession that are tracked in the boxscore (blocks, steals, and defensive rebounds), in addition to an estimate for the number of forced turnovers and forced misses by the player which aren't captured by steals and blocks.
You could be an elite defender, but if the guys around you arent doing what they are supposed to, then you will give up points. That's why you look at the individual drating to the team average.
 
Painter recruited Sasha to have an elite shooter in the class. You’re just not making sense.
Show me sasha and Wheeler's stats from the WUG, the USA team, and the two scrimmages. I would venture a guess that they both shot below 30% from 3.
 
ADVERTISEMENT