*Official* B1G Off-season Thread

[KisteK]

Pick the top 8 players (starters plus 3 subs) from Purdue and IU's roster.

Carsen
Romeo
Justin Smith
Morgan
Haarms

Fitzner
Evan B
Jerome Hunter

Carsen/Romeo
Morgan/Frenchie
Davis/Haarms

Would be my top 6, prob roll with J.Hunt next, unsure about the rest. Do really like the Indy incoming frosh.
Curious about both teams red shirt guys.

Evan B hasnt played in two years. When he did play, he put up good numbers on an Ivy League bottom feeder. I think he should be a good player, but I'm taking Smith over him every time.

Frenchie played in 16/17, wasn't two years ago. He graduated Ivy in 3 years. Still has two to play without (another) sit season. While his numbers dipped in his second season, I think he'll fit right in with what Purdue needs. Loads of P6+ teams would've loved to have added Evan. I think Painter got a good one.

 

[klize17]

Some solid numbers from ESPNs preseason BPI. I won't link the garbage, but here is the Big Ten along with national rank.

Wisconsin - 8
Michigan State - 13
Iowa - 19
Illinois - 21
Northwestern - 26
Indiana - 29
Purdue - 37
Maryland - 38
Michigan - 40
Penn State - 42
Minnesota - 43
Nebraska - 46
Ohio State - 82
Rutgers - not in top 100

Seems legit.

I might get behind Iowa based on what they have coming back but Illinois at 21?

 

[klize17]

FaCt iS nObOdY hAd HaAs BrEaKiNg An ElBoW..
The argument that Purdue had a fail season is BS. 30 win season and they made the S16 without their SR starting big man. Once you lose a starter in the tourney, you're playing from behind. They still beat Butler and lost to a stud Tech team. No shame there.


ND finished at 79, Q1 wins stop at (otr) 75.

Tho, they may have been Q1 at the time, I suppose.

IU beat them when Notre Dame was top 25 before the Colson injury

 

[KisteK]

IU beat them when Notre Dame was top 25 before the Colson injury

Good Call, I didn't check the date but had assumed it was pre January. Not sure where to look up RPI at set times.

 

[klize17]

Actually that ESPN list is god awful after looking at it more

 

[otte21]

Some solid numbers from ESPNs preseason BPI. I won't link the garbage, but here is the Big Ten along with national rank.

Wisconsin - 8
Michigan State - 13
Iowa - 19
Illinois - 21
Northwestern - 26
Indiana - 29
Purdue - 37
Maryland - 38
Michigan - 40
Penn State - 42
Minnesota - 43
Nebraska - 46
Ohio State - 82
Rutgers - not in top 100

Seems legit.

 

[otte21]

This was last years preseason BPI of top 50 teams for what it’s worth:

7- PURDUE
17-MSU
23-IOWA
25-NW
28-MINN
29-OSU
37-MD
44-WISC
45-IND

 

[klize17]

This was last years preseason BPI of top 50 teams for what it’s worth:

7- PURDUE
17-MSU
23-IOWA
25-NW
28-MINN
29-OSU
37-MD
44-WISC
45-IND

So lots of swings and misses

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Good lord those are bad lists

 

[B-Westy]

@B-Westy I haven't read the conversation and probably won't. I'm assuming the argument is unproven freshmen vs "proven" transfers?

Yeah. Pretty much.

 

[SIhoosier26]

He was pretty efficient for having a USG% around 30 which will obviously drop on the Purdue team with more options around him. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, I’ll take Evan B. for this upcoming season every time.

Boudreaux shot 43% from the floor and 35% from three (far from a knockdown shooter) with a 1to3 assist to turnover rate on a bad team in the Ivy League of all places. Give me Smith all day everyday. I know some of us are biased but let's try not to be stupid.

 

[SIhoosier26]

IU beat them when Notre Dame was top 25 before the Colson injury

Notre Dame was a top 20 team when IU beat them. They had to go through the ACC without their 2 best players.

 

[otte21]

Boudreaux shot 43% from the floor and 35% from three (far from a knockdown shooter) with a 1to3 assist to turnover rate on a bad team in the Ivy League of all places. Give me Smith all day everyday. I know some of us are biased but let's try not to be stupid.

You’re the only one trying to be stupid comparing percentages from a high minute-high usage player to a bench player. Also, Evan B. Shot 37% from three for his career there-you left out his 40% his freshman season. That’s the level Hummel and Moore shot from 3 so I’m confident in his ability to shoot.

 

[SIhoosier26]

Don’t think most people would take him over Haarms.

Where is this lovefest for Haarms coming from? He averaged 4 pts and 3 rebounds and looked completely lost on offense most of the year, especially against Texas Tech. He's a good defender but IU was fine defensively last year with a 6"5 juco transfer playing center, what they need is shooting and scoring. I would bring up Eastern but he is even worse, IU roster wise is the far better team it won't even be a question once the season starts.

The last 2 years Purdue has been better, absolutely. That being said they lost every key contributor on those teams other than Edward's and Painter has failed to take advantage on the recruiting trail. I expect IU to take the next step this year and pass up Purdue in the process. If that doesn't happen then it will be time to start questioning Archie.

 

[CardinalBoiler]

There isn’t a chance in hell he should be the four instead of Morgan. So, comparing a four to a five is dumb. Real dumb.

Morgan was your starting center for the last two months of the season, right?

 

[SIhoosier26]

You’re the only one trying to be stupid comparing percentages from a high minute-high usage player to a bench player. Also, Evan B. Shot 37% from three for his career there-you left out his 40% his freshman season. That’s the level Hummel and Moore shot from 3 so I’m confident in his ability to shoot.

Lol on a bad Ivy League team, that's the point. You're comparing the Ivy League to the Big Ten. Efficiency numbers matter, competition matters, I dont care how many points he scored. You also failed to mention his horrid assist to turnover ratio, averaging 3 turnovers a game as a forward is about as bad as it gets let alone in a bad conference. Now you're comparing him to Hummel and Moore, lol you can't make this stuff up. Again give me Justin Smith everytime.

 

[otte21]

Where is this lovefest for Haarms coming from? He averaged 4 pts and 3 rebounds and looked completely lost on offense most of the year, especially against Texas Tech. He's a good defender but IU was fine defensively last year with a 6"5 juco transfer playing center, what they need is shooting and scoring. I would bring up Eastern but he is even worse, IU roster wise is the far better team it won't even be a question once the season starts.

The last 2 years Purdue has been better, absolutely. That being said they lost every key contributor on those teams other than Edward's and Painter has failed to take advantage on the recruiting trail. I expect IU to take the next step this year and pass up Purdue in the process. If that doesn't happen then it will be time to start questioning Archie.

Think Painter has been recruiting just fine.

 

[otte21]

Lol on a bad Ivy League team, that's the point. You're comparing the Ivy League to the Big Ten. Efficiency numbers matter, competition matters, I dont care how many points he scored. You also failed to mention his horrid assist to turnover ratio, averaging 3 turnovers a game as a forward is about as bad as it gets let alone in a bad conference. Now you're comparing him to Hummel and Moore, lol you can't make this stuff up. Again give me Justin Smith everytime.

Comparing his shooting percentage alone you nitwit. Again, his USG% was at 30, it’d be hard not to avg 3 to’s a game with a number that high.

 

[cosmickid]

Lol no. Haarms would start over Fitzner especially if Archie is a defensive-minded guy.

Why would Haarms start over Fitzner? Fitzner is a career 40% 3 pt shooter and Haarms doesn't give you either scoring or rebounding.

Compare Haarms to Justin Smith. Haarms had ONE double figure scoring game in B1G (10 vs Wisc), vs multiple double figure games from Smith (IL,MN,NE,MD and OSU) as well as powerful Seton Hall and of course IOWA. Haarms is 7'3" and Smith only 6'6",and Haarms had more mpg (17.3 vs 14.9), yet they both had a rpg avg of 3.2.And in less minutes Smith had the higher scoring average (6.5 vs 4.8) Put simply Smith played more like 7'3" than Haarms did, and assuming Smith at the 4, IU gets more production from Morgan or Fitzner at the 5 than they would get from Haarms. In 15 mpg, Fitzner's scoring avg was 5.0, including a 20 pt performance vs Washington in the NIT.

I do want to see Haarms try to defend this head to head on the perimeter...

 

[SIhoosier26]

Think Painter has been recruiting just fine.

Maybe, we will see. I will say that he has struggled to secure a lot of his first options. A lot of Purdue fans that I know have even admitted that.

 

[otte21]

Maybe, we will see. I will say that he has struggled to secure a lot of his first options. A lot of Purdue fans that I know have even admitted that.

Who? The 2018 and 2019 classes are filled with A-list guys

 

[boiler1987]

Where is this lovefest for Haarms coming from? He averaged 4 pts and 3 rebounds and looked completely lost on offense most of the year, especially against Texas Tech. He's a good defender but IU was fine defensively last year with a 6"5 juco transfer playing center, what they need is shooting and scoring. I would bring up Eastern but he is even worse, IU roster wise is the far better team it won't even be a question once the season starts.

The last 2 years Purdue has been better, absolutely. That being said they lost every key contributor on those teams other than Edward's and Painter has failed to take advantage on the recruiting trail. I expect IU to take the next step this year and pass up Purdue in the process. If that doesn't happen then it will be time to start questioning Archie.

4 points, 3 rebounds, and solid defense from a guy no one expected much from as a backup to Haas. With increased strength, I think he’ll end up a pretty solid player. He will be a beast on defense and any improvement on offense is just an added bonus.

 

[cosmickid]

We didn’t go as far as far in the tournament because our most impactful player broke his elbow. Your argument would be legit if Haas hadn’t gotten hurt.

You LOST your "most impactful player" and IU retains theirs. IU also adds an elite level Freshman, as well as another Top 50 talent (Hunter) that Romeo was so impressed with that he mentioned it to his family. IU might not win the Conference, but I'll be shocked if they don't finish higher than PU.

 

[SIhoosier26]

4 points, 3 rebounds, and solid defense from a guy no one expected much from as a backup to Haas. With increased strength, I think he’ll end up a pretty solid player. He will be a beast on defense and any improvement on offense is just an added bonus.

I agree that he will likely be a solid player.

 

[SNU0821]

4 points, 3 rebounds, and solid defense from a guy no one expected much from as a backup to Haas. With increased strength, I think he’ll end up a pretty solid player. He will be a beast on defense and any improvement on offense is just an added bonus.

Still wouldn’t start over Fitzner.

 

[boiler1987]

Why would Haarms start over Fitzner? Fitzner is a career 40% 3 pt shooter and Haarms doesn't give you either scoring or rebounding.

Compare Haarms to Justin Smith. Haarms had ONE double figure scoring game in B1G (10 vs Wisc), vs multiple double figure games from Smith (IL,MN,NE,MD and OSU) as well as powerful Seton Hall and of course IOWA. Haarms is 7'3" and Smith only 6'6",and Haarms had more mpg (17.3 vs 14.9), yet they both had a rpg avg of 3.2.And in less minutes Smith had the higher scoring average (6.5 vs 4.8) Put simply Smith played more like 7'3" than Haarms did, and assuming Smith at the 4, IU gets more production from Morgan or Fitzner at the 5 than they would get from Haarms. In 15 mpg, Fitzner's scoring avg was 5.0, including a 20 pt performance vs Washington in the NIT.

I do want to see Haarms try to defend this head to head on the perimeter...

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Lol. When Haarms was in, he was likely one of the last options to score. He was in to play defense, block shots, and spell Haas.

As far as Haarms guarding Fitzner, all I can say is lol. Haarms locked Tony Carr down multiple times last year so I’m not worried about him trying to contain Evan Fitzner. Lol

 

[JohnHoosierr]

You LOST your "most impactful player" and IU retains theirs. IU also adds an elite level Freshman, as well as another Top 50 talent (Hunter) that Romeo was so impressed with that he mentioned it to his family. IU might not win the Conference, but I'll be shocked if they don't finish higher than PU.

Actually we return our best player in carsen Edwards who is also better than anyone on iu, and by a large margin.That was a stupid comment by 1987.

 

[SIhoosier26]

Who? The 2018 and 2019 classes are filled with A-list guys

A-list guys? They haven't landed a single top 100 recruit in those classes. That isn't what you would expect coming off two very good seasons on the the court. I know recruit rankings can be wrong (Eric Hunter can play just needs to put on some weight) but I doubt any of them come in as world beaters.

 

[klize17]

Who? The 2018 and 2019 classes are filled with A-list guys

2 top 130 players and 3 unranked 3 Star players are A list?

P

 

[SNU0821]

Lol. When Haarms was in, he was likely one of the last options to score. He was in to play defense, block shots, and spell Haas.

As far as Haarms guarding Fitzner, all I can say is lol. Haarms locked Tony Carr down multiple times last year so I’m not worried about him trying to contain Evan Fitzner. Lol

I’ll happily let Haarms “lock down” Fitzner because it’ll draw him out of the lane. Then we’ll let Romeo and Morgan go to work. That’s exactly why he’s going to be impactful, because you have to guard him out there. Just like Bielfeld and Bryant.

 

[boiler1987]

You LOST your "most impactful player" and IU retains theirs. IU also adds an elite level Freshman, as well as another Top 50 talent (Hunter) that Romeo was so impressed with that he mentioned it to his family. IU might not win the Conference, but I'll be shocked if they don't finish higher than PU.

That has nothing to do with my post. My post was about last year’s result and had nothing to do with the upcoming year.

 

[klize17]

A-list guys? They haven't landed a single top 100 recruit in those classes. That isn't what you would expect coming off two very good seasons on the the court. I know recruit rankings can be wrong (Eric Hunter can play just needs to put on some weight) but I doubt any of them come in as world beaters.

I really do think Hunter will be a good one in due time. That Williams kids seems to have some solid skill as well for a big

 

[SNU0821]

Who? The 2018 and 2019 classes are filled with A-list guys

Hahaha! A-List guys? If that’s not Purdue mentality, I dont know what is...

 

[otte21]

2 top 130 players and 3 unranked 3 Star players are A list?

P

Yeah. Trevion, Donuwau, hunter were all guys he wanted/offered at the beginning. And he wouldn’t accept commits from the 2019 playerssif they weren’t at the top of his list. Vince Edwards and Mathias were also three star A-list players so I’m not concerned with their ranking. If Painter gets his guys, they’ll be good.

 

[SNU0821]

Yeah. Trevion, Donuwau, hunter were all guys he wanted/offered at the beginning. And he wouldn’t accept commits from the 2019 playerssif they weren’t at the top of his list. Vince Edwards and Mathias were also three star A-list players so I’m not concerned with their ranking. If Painter gets his guys, they’ll be good.

Lol. All I got for this.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Comparing his shooting percentage alone you nitwit. Again, his USG% was at 30, it’d be hard not to avg 3 to’s a game with a number that high.

Ivy League players with 29.2% or higher usage and their assist to turnover numbers over the past three seasons

2018 Seth Towns 1.8 to 2.1 at 30.5% usage
2018 Stone Gettings 2.9 to 2.3 at 30.5% usage
2017 Evan Boudreaux 1.0 to 3.0 on 29.2% usage
2016 Robert Hatter 2.0 to 2.1 on 35.8% usage
2016 Edo Edosomwan 1.9 to 2.1 on 30.0% usage


Evan Beadreaux has the lowest assist numbers and highest turnover numbers and all 4 of the others are closer to 2 turnovers per game than 3.

 

[SIhoosier26]

I really do think Hunter will be a good one in due time. That Williams kids seems to have some solid skill as well for a big

I was going to mention him as well but the way the game is changing and teams like to run in transition he needs to get in better shape. He will also have a lot of trouble guarding ball screens on the perimeter right off the bat. That has been my biggest problem with Davis the last few years.

 

[otte21]

Hahaha! A-List guys? If that’s not Purdue mentality, I dont know what is...

Wtf are you talking about

 

[klize17]

Yeah. Trevion, Donuwau, hunter were all guys he wanted/offered at the beginning. And he wouldn’t accept commits from the 2019 playerssif they weren’t at the top of his list. Vince Edwards and Mathias were also three star A-list players so I’m not concerned with their ranking. If Painter gets his guys, they’ll be good.

For every Vince and Dakota you can name A Bryson, Basil, Kendall, Donnie, Jacob, Grant, Ronnie

All Painter guys

 

[otte21]

Lol. All I got for this.

Well what’s your counter? Which of those recruits did Painter not want from the beginning?