*Official* B1G Off-season Thread
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And I’m old enough to know that Tom f’ing Crean won the conference outright more and made as many S16’s as Painter has in the last handful of years.
Yes and you’re saying and predicting he’s going to be a sure fire All-American. How can the number 5 player in the country not even lead his high school team to a state title?
In his mind he doesn't see it that way. Since Romeo is going to IU he will clearly suck.
All American? No. But I do think he’s going to be a very impactful freshman and make a huge difference.
You & the IU fans are the one’s bringing up Painter’s lack of tournament success. Not me.
It is what it is. Y’all are claiming his recruiting prowess, yet there aren’t any tourney results to show for it. Weird.
Yeah, sometimes all it takes is a break in the teams you play like Mich did this last season
Sometimes breaks go your way, sometimes they don't.
13 seasons and you're going to blame them all on injuries and bad breaks? K.
Did I say that? He’s had 5 teams I feel like that were talented enough for an elite 8. 3 of those 5 teams got hurt by injuries. The other 2 got beat by Uconn and Kansas who were just better teams.
That's because in 13 years he hasn't even been close to winning a sweet 16 game. That is a major red flag. By the way, Jay Wright had already been to a final 4 prior to his recent run so it isn't like it came out of nowhere. Matt Painter blows leads to teams like VCU and Arkansas Little Rock.
The injury excuses might make Purdue fans feel all warm and fuzzy inside but Hail's right, after 13 seasons you know what you have, and what you have is a good but not great coach that struggles to win big games. Simple as that. We all admit that Archie has a lot to prove, but he has already been further in the tourney than Painter.
He had been to the Elite 8 3 times prior to this past year. Lazy comparison and quite the reach to say Painter = pre-2018 Wright.
Before Villanova won it all in 2016. Jay wright had 1 elite 8, 1 final 4, 2 sweet 16’s in 14 seasons and multiple 2nd round exits. He was hardly the poster boy for tournament success.
One elite 8 and one final four are much better than four sweet 16s all getting smoked
Agree, I actually think beilein pre 2012 would have been much better imo.
(Note: before you lose your mind, I’m not predicting MP will match him, just looking at records before breaking through)
And yet undeniably more success than Painter. Think about that.
Pre 2012 Beilein had been at Michigan for 5 years. Painter has been at Purdue for 13. That's the big difference.
Seth Towns TOV%- 14.5
Stone Gettings TOV%-17.1
Robert Hatter TOV%-15.4
Edosomwan TOV%-14.8
Evan B TOV%-14.7
So he actually didn’t turn the ball over more than anyone besides Towns which is so incremental.
No one isn’t saying that is not better, Wright was known for flopping in the tournament though pre 2016 with his teams fully healthy. For whatever reason they just didn’t perform and now he has arguably the best program in the country.
Seth Towns TOV%- 14.5
Stone Gettings TOV%-17.1
Robert Hatter TOV%-15.4
Edosomwan TOV%-14.8
Evan B TOV%-14.7
So he actually didn’t turn the ball over many than anyone besides Towns which is so incremental.
Your statement was literally:
"Again, his USG% was at 30, it’d be hard not to avg 3 to’s a game with a number that high."
2018 Seth Towns 2.1 TOpg at 30.5% usage
2018 Stone Gettings 2.3 TOpg at 30.5% usage
2017 Evan Boudreaux 3.0 TOpg on 29.2% usage
2016 Robert Hatter 2.1 TOpg on 35.8% usage
2016 Edo Edosomwan 2.1 TOpg on 30.0% usage
Yeah and I was right. Look at their per 40 minute or possessions they had the ball in their hands. Boudreaux is the 2nd lowest. He shouldn’t be punished because he played more minutes/had the ball in his hands more.
Bigs, at least of swanigans caliber, take longer than a guard of Romeos caliber.
Lol okay so 2.2 to’s in 23 min is better than 2.9 TO’s in 34 min? Maybe my post should have said a 30% USG with at least 34 mpg then. I’m just comparing stats in a fair way.
@otte21 based on Sports-Reference
2018 Seth Towns
2.1 TOpg, 31.9% usage, 12.7 turnover rate, 3.1 turnovers per 40 minutes.
2018 Stone Gettings
2.3 TOpg at 31.0% usage, 13.8% turnover rate, 3.4 turnovers per 40 minutes.
2017 Evan Boudreaux
3.0 TOpg, 30.2% usage, 15.1% turnover rate, 3.5 turnovers per 40 minutes.
2016 Edo Edosomwan
2.1 TOpg on 29.9% usage, 14.0% turnover rate, 3.2 turnovers per 40 minutes.
2018 Seth Towns
2.1 TOpg, 31.9% usage, 12.7 turnover rate, 3.1 turnovers per 40 minutes.
2018 Stone Gettings
2.3 TOpg at 31.0% usage, 13.8% turnover rate, 3.4 turnovers per 40 minutes.
2017 Evan Boudreaux
3.0 TOpg, 30.2% usage, 15.1% turnover rate, 3.5 turnovers per 40 minutes.
2016 Edo Edosomwan
2.1 TOpg on 29.9% usage, 14.0% turnover rate, 3.2 turnovers per 40 minutes.
Yeah and my post above compared their career numbers, but as you can see for yourself they’re all really similar.
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