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***Official B1G In-Season Thread***

Hard to impress upon someone that your right when you can’t prove a simple point.
Are you saying sportsreference.com is wring on these percentages?
No, what I'm saying is you're not smart enough to understand that looking at the individual percentages of the players and averaging them doesn't give you the actual answer to the question. It's not how math works.
 
I’ll ban bet you that Purdue shoots a higher percentage from 3 than IU.
What happened to last year? Why you moving the goal posts now?

Fine. Let's make it fun. Avatar bet. You can pick my avatar if you win and I'll pick your avatar if I win. I'll pull IU's returning players 3pt stats from last year and same for Purdue. I win if IU has a higher percentage returning. You win if Purdue does. Avatar needs to be kept for the whole season.

Do we have a bet?
 
Boudreaux still looked like a CPA at the Y

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Prove it.
Jordan is more of a SG according to some and he had back to back 175+ assists as a FR and SO,
Connor was listed as a SG and yet he was 2nd on the team in assists with 102 assists and he starting at the PG spot this season.

Fran is going more to a positionless lineup,
Connor can play the 1-2-3
Fredrick can play the 1-2-3
Toussaint can play the 1 or 2
Wieskamp can play the 2 or 3
Patrick can play the 1-2-3-4 even the 5 in a small lineup
Evelyn can play the 1 or 2

Patrick was the starting PG for AAU Minnesota D1 while their PG was out due to injury. he is that versatile.
 
So you can’t show me where I am wrong?

You don’t want to see what Purdue returns because it’s a higher percentage.

I just told you. You add all the attempts and makes from each player and divide, not % of each player. Green shooting .410 on 117 is weighted differently than Anderson shooting .233 on 30 attempts. This is junior high math at best, i'm pretty sure i did this in grade school.
 
No, what I'm saying is you're not smart enough to understand that looking at the individual percentages of the players and averaging them doesn't give you the actual answer to the question. It's not how math works.
I know that you are saying the total attempts and makes will change the numbers. I am not going to dig up total attempts and makes ana averaging the percentage of the five returnees is a snapshot of what returns. You have two guys with decent stats and three questionable.
Give me the total attempts and makes for each and show me how much of a difference that makes is it’s such a huge difference.
 
The NCAA is a joke
I think it would be kind of a joke to not have him be eligible, just like Micah Potter. People are getting granted eligibility for absolutely no reason. I’m not saying it’s right, but if you’re going to grant eligibility for no reason, at least do it for everyone, not just randomly.
 
I know that you are saying the total attempts and makes will change the numbers. I am not going to dig up total attempts and makes ana averaging the percentage of the five returnees is a snapshot of what returns. You have two guys with decent stats and three questionable.
Give me the total attempts and makes for each and show me how much of a difference that makes is it’s such a huge difference.

Just because you're lazy doesn't allow you to make up your own math. I'm honestly flabergasted. How old are you if you don't mind me asking?
 
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I know that you are saying the total attempts and makes will change the numbers. I am not going to dig up total attempts and makes ana averaging the percentage of the five returnees is a snapshot of what returns. You have two guys with decent stats and three questionable.
Give me the total attempts and makes for each and show me how much of a difference that makes is it’s such a huge difference.
Take the avatar bet and I'll show you the math.
 
Well, do you want to know why a wing can't beat out a point guard for point guard minutes or don't you? Make up your mind.

Hunter is better suited as a combo guard playing alongside another ball-handler. I'm not sure there's really much debate there. I would have liked for Newman to be in the rotation for his ability to stretch the floor, but as long as Sasha's injury isn't long-term, we have enough wings to make it work and not burn a year of eligibility.

It's not a perfect comparison, but I do wonder if Newman is having similar struggles to what Raphael Davis encountered his freshman year. Davis was physically ready, but struggled with a lot of the concepts and defensive principles his first year. If Newman can take the Wheeler route and be an impact guy next year, it'll all be fine.
My point was that if you redshirt IT and not Newman, then Hunter is the PG when Eastern isn’t playing. Just like it was last year on your elite 8 team... Hunter can still play off ball (not that there is an on and off ball in a motion offense) when Eastern is in. IT is playing because he beat out Newman.
 
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My point was that if you redshirt IT and not Newman, then Hunter is the PG when Eastern isn’t playing. Just like it was last year on your elite 8 team... Hunter can still play off ball (not that there is an on and off ball in a motion offense) when Eastern is in. IT is playing because he beat out Newman.
Hunter can play PG but is better as a 2. And he's evidently currently better than Newman as a 2 according to Painter.
 
You think Newman can play point? Have you ever watched him play basketball?

He's undoubtedly behind where we expected and guys like Hunter, Proctor and Sasha are ahead of where we expected. But he has never been the type that can play point, even at Purdue, as he's always been an off-ball, true shooting guard kind of player.
Go back and read my post and try again. I never said Newman could play the Point. I did say HUNTER could be the backup PG like he was on your elite 8 team last year.
 
I just told you. You add all the attempts and makes from each player and divide, not % of each player. Green shooting .410 on 117 is weighted differently than Anderson shooting .233 on 30 attempts. This is junior high math at best, i'm pretty sure i did this in grade school.
Is this correct?

Durham 40-113

Smith 7-32

Phinisee 27-87

Anderson 7-30

Green 48-147

Thompson 0-3


81-412
 
Hunter can play the point and Newman can’t lol. Not rocket science.
What is your point? I agree with both of those statements... that’s why we know IT just flat out beat out Newman for the active roster spot.
 
What is your point? I agree with both of those statements... that’s why we know IT just flat out beat out Newman for the active roster spot.
You seem to be struggling with the concept of roster construction here.
 
Go back and read my post and try again. I never said Newman could play the Point. I did say HUNTER could be the backup PG like he was on your elite 8 team last year.
a) Hunter has always been slated to be a second ball handler. Allowing him to do so as his primary responsibility puts him in a much better spot to succeed.
b) IT is ahead of Newman, that's clear.
 
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Is this correct?

Durham 40-113

Smith 7-32

Phinisee 27-87

Anderson 7-30

Green 48-147

Thompson 0-3


81-412

right method at least. You can’t value green a high volume shooter at 41% the same as Thompson was on 3 attempts. Same as comparing eastern at 0% on 4 attempts and Sasha.
 
right method at least. You can’t value green a high volume shooter at 41% the same as Thompson was on 3 attempts. Same as comparing eastern at 0% on 4 attempts and Sasha.
The percentage changes very little. What was your point again?
 
You seem to be struggling with the concept of roster construction here.
How so?

Eastern/Hunter
Proctor/Hunter
Sasha/Newman
Wheeler/EB
Haarms/Williams

What am I missing? Hunter is the backup at both the 1 and 2. With IT active and Newman not, Hunter is the backup at the 2 and 3. Not sure how I’m missing something with roster construction.

IT is playing because he is more ready than Newman.
 
right method at least. You can’t value green a high volume shooter at 41% the same as Thompson was on 3 attempts. Same as comparing eastern at 0% on 4 attempts and Sasha.
I didn’t make the original statement. That’s Snu who says IU returns a higher percentage on higher volume than Purdue.
 
Weren't you the one calling people degenerate gamblers for making bets payable to charities last year?
I don’t know? Was I? Weren’t you the guy who they found in Bloomington spiking sorority girls drinks?
 
because they do.
This is what I have for Purdue and I’ll add IU in so they are comparable.

Purdue
Haarms 7-25

Eastern 0-4

Williams 1-3

Wheeler 31-85

Boudreaux 9-26

Sasha 25-61

Hunter 10-46

Luce 1-1


84-251

IU
Durham 40-113

Smith 7-32

Phinisee 27-87

Anderson 7-30

Green 48-147

Thompson 0-3


129- 409

agree?
 
This is what I have for Purdue and I’ll add IU in so they are comparable.

Purdue
Haarms 7-25

Eastern 0-4

Williams 1-3

Wheeler 31-85

Boudreaux 9-26

Sasha 25-61

Hunter 10-46

Luce 1-1


84-251

IU
Durham 40-113

Smith 7-32

Phinisee 27-87

Anderson 7-30

Green 48-147

Thompson 0-3


129- 409

agree?
Again. Wrong.
 
I think it would be kind of a joke to not have him be eligible, just like Micah Potter. People are getting granted eligibility for absolutely no reason. I’m not saying it’s right, but if you’re going to grant eligibility for no reason, at least do it for everyone, not just randomly.

Whether transfer rules should be in place or not is a different discussion. The fact is they are in place and the Hauser’s are about as clear cut of a case of it not being due to hardship as you could ever get.
 
Again. Wrong.
Show me the right numbers then.

This is what I get when I add Proctor.


Durham 40-113

Smith 7-32

Phinisee 27-87

Anderson 7-30

Green 48-147

Thompson 0-3


129-409


.315%


Haarms 7-25

Eastern 0-4

Williams 1-3

Wheeler 31-85

Boudreaux 9-26

Sasha 25-61

Hunter 10-46

Luce 1-1

Proctor 55-166


139-417


.333%
 
Show me the right numbers then.

This is what I get when I add Proctor.


Durham 40-113

Smith 7-32

Phinisee 27-87

Anderson 7-30

Green 48-147

Thompson 0-3


129-409


.315%


Haarms 7-25

Eastern 0-4

Williams 1-3

Wheeler 31-85

Boudreaux 9-26

Sasha 25-61

Hunter 10-46

Luce 1-1

Proctor 55-166


139-417


.333%
You don’t get to add Proctor in. He’s not returning.
 
My point was that if you redshirt IT and not Newman, then Hunter is the PG when Eastern isn’t playing. Just like it was last year on your elite 8 team... Hunter can still play off ball (not that there is an on and off ball in a motion offense) when Eastern is in. IT is playing because he beat out Newman.
If Newman was good enough to beat out Hunter for those those reserve minutes on the wing, he wouldn't be redshirting.

Your argument is that because Hunter played out of position last year on a good team, that Purdue should continue utilizing him in that role? Weird logic, but okay.
 
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