Is there a reason Indiana can't do both the Crossroads Classics and play Kentucky?
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Is there a reason Indiana can't do both the Crossroads Classics and play Kentucky?
Still haven't accurately addressed my initial statement, tried logical fallacies of strawman, moving goalposts, ad hominem, black and white, possibly a red herring, and at this point maybe even sunken costs.
I feel like this would be the biggest reason I, as a fan, would hate the event. Idgaf about "national exposure" of an already top 5ish program and Idgaf about finances. I would hate having fans of the lesser programs talk crap in the years they pull upsets, though.
Bottom line is you cried about national exposure and finances and both seem like stupid things to complain about IMO.
I completely agree...its why we were talking about YOUR shortcomings in regards to reading comprehension.
However, you do receive some points for fitting in a great show in you post.
Lol... did you really think I was serious when asking that? Come on man...You really thought i meant for you to give me a break?
Eh. If we’re good enough upsets won’t happen very often.
Lol...right there with you...never seen that before.
Yeah, once you're married, it takes a hell of a lot more then that to get some. Hell, I doubt that gesture would be enough to prevent her from being disgusted when she wakes up in the middle of the night because I'm having some alone time next to her.
I've got to be honest here, I would have never guessed that IU had a winning record .its probably because I always just assumed that Crean team usually lost when they played a decent team up at any place besides Assembly Hall
The most important part that you left out of your post was that every single one of these seasons were a Crean schedule. He was completely okay with not scheduling a team better then 200 for OOC. So because of this, its actually surprising that the numbers don't look worse.
But nothing of what you posted changed what's been said. iu can pretty much guarantee that they will face a team ranked between 15-50th. However, if they weren't handcuffed to this game, it's highly likely that they could schedule a top 10 team every year.
With Crean, it didn't matter much because everyone knew that if he replaced this game, it was very likely it could be a team ranked 300+ to replace it.
Because IU is different than most other schools in the BIG. the overwhelming majority of funds the athletic department receives is from the basketball team. It's been a very long time since I looked at it, but I believe IU makes more from basketball than it does football. So, every penny the basketball team is critically important to the whole athletic department.
Over half your non-conference games this year are against Kenpom 250+ teams. But yeah, it's the Crossroads Classic that's hamstringing IU's ability to schedule higher-profile opponents and keeping them from marquee out-of-conference wins.
If the classic were to go away I’d doubt anyone would really care. Personally I’d be good with ending it just to eliminate this annual bragging of IUs importance in the sport in general and this event in particular. I’d be happy to see IU play a home game and get beat by directional U instead of a neutral loss to Butler or ND. FTR I’m at court level 3 rows up to see the varsity play in the first game. I must be one of the 20 or 30 people not there to see IU.
Wow..that’s a shitty business model. Doesn’t IU pride itself on its Kelly School of Business. I only read at a 1st grade level but apparently that’s advanced studies at IU.
Its simple for me....I'd rather play a UK, Arizona or Kansas then Butler or Notre Dame....and I'm really not apologetic about it. The other reason is because of the financial aspect. All across the athletic department are resources that desperately needs upgrading. Then when you have a school president who us taking 20+ million from the money IU is getting for the BIG tv money and instead of improving the athletic department, hes using the money to fund his pet projects.
If IU had a football program that even remotely looked like a respectable program, it wouldn't be an issue. But, they don't, so it is.
You and your damn facts! Bottom line here..IU is afraid to lose to in state teams due to perception. IU has been lagging the others for some time now. Losing to Kentucky or Arizona Is preferrable in keeping up appearances.
If Miller hadn't stated many times that they will start scheduling a more challenging OOC...then I'd completely agree with you. If 5 years down the road it's not been improved then I'd definitely say we should have just kept playing in the crossroads.
But, as of right now, he's given the fanbase no reason to bot believe him when he says he wants to make it more challenging.
Lol...you of all people acting like facts are important to you. Have you ever wondered why everyone here can have a adult conversation with someone like @CardinalBoiler , but yet it's nearly impossible to have one with you?
I think that's a fair point. However, I think the 20-game conference schedule does change the paradigm a bit when trying to schedule aggressively. Because as long as those two additional conference games are eliminating the 250+ buy-games from everyone's schedule, the SOS is going to jump up across the board.
I guess I just disagree with the premise that if the Crossroads Classic was off IU's schedule, they would have more freedom than they do currently to go out and sign a home-and-home with a top-15 program on an annual basis.
Same with Michigan football, but do you think I get upset that other teams benefit more from scheduling home and homes with Michigan than Michigan does? No. I watch the games and am happy they are scheduled without worrying about who got paid what.
But Michigan brings in a ridiculously larger amount of money than IU I'm guessing. Every single team has facilities that needs to be upgraded, so an extra million does make a difference.
If IU was 7-0 in the Crossroads Classic, I doubt any IU fans would be complaining about it, tbh.
It’ll happen. I’m fine with the crossroads classic, it’s a fun state wide event. Don’t want to “lose”? Don’t lose. Indiana hasn’t been in much of a position to complain about their strength of their opponents, I hate for IU fans to start talking like UK fans.
A Michigan home football game brings in wayyyyy more money than an Indiana home basketball game. You don't think other programs could use that extra money somewhere? Give me a break.
Michigan loses out on a lot more money by doing a home and home in football than Indiana does by playing in the Crossroads Classic in basketball. Do I care? Not at all.
Come on man, I like talking with you, but lay off the hyperbole. I'll gladly have an actual conversation with you, but if you're going to be ridiculous then I'll just move on . You know its unrealistic for a team to play ALL of those teams in a 11 game OOC schedule. So you're just doing a very poor troll attempt.
If you ever want to have an actual conversation....let me know.
I think his point was that you could schedule one of those three mentioned previously (UK, AZ, KU) and the CC game; that those two games aren't mutually exclusive. But I could be wrong.
Yeah, I missed the "or"...I thought he was saying why don't they schedule 3 consistently top 5 teams plus eight butler, or ND. I cant think of any team that would schedule this on an annual basis. Which is why I figured it was just a troll attempt.
You missed the "or" and the " / ". I was asking why Indiana can't do the crossroads classic and play one of those marquee teams. Does it really have to be one or the other?
That example schedule is pretty much what MSU does every single year... Not that outrageous
I think you'd probably have a single-digit SOS in that scenario.
No, I knew you were saying Butler or ND...where I missed it was I thought you were saying they should schedule the 3 consistantly top 5 teams on a regular basis. I'd be all for (I think most IU fans would be) scheduling either Butler or ND on a yearly basis. That's not the problem....the problem is that this event is on one of the extremely valuable Saturdays during December. If this was scheduled during the week like the ACC/BIG challenge I'd be fine with it.
IU has already missed out on the event that has UK, n. Carolina and UCLA in it because it was originally scheduled on the same day.
Besides when it happens because of start of the season tournaments...I honestly can't think of it ever happening on a regular basis? I didn't look anything up, so it's possible I'm wrong, but I'd be surprised.
The SOS is so easy to drop you drastically due to perceived scheduling errors. With the schedule mentioned above, if you also played 3 sub 300 teams, it would make your schedule look considerably easier than what it really was
Yeah, it seems like "smart" scheduling - from an SOS metric perspective - is more about loading up on the 100-200 teams in the non-conference and avoiding real drags (300+) rather than actually challenging your team with elite opponents a few times in the non-conference.
Truthfully, when I was typing out my post Michigan state immediately came to mind as the team probably closes to this scenario. But I don't believe even they schedule 3 top 5 teams on a regular basis. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if were talking about 3 top 15 teams then I think that would be more consistent with their schedule?
Trying to think about just this year, and so far isn't the only top 5 team they've faced is Kansas?
If IU really wanted to play in stuff like that they could. The crossroads classic is the least of their non conference schedule worries. IU essentially plays a home game every year in the crossroads classic against a top 50 team on what would be considered a “neutral court win” and you guys complain about it?
Thank god you kept the next 2 dates open for central Arkansas and the valuable Saturday in December for Jacksonville.
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Yup...this is what I hate about the SOS even being mentioned...I'd much prefer if they just listed how many top 20 teams they played, top 50 and then top 100. After that they didn't even mention it. Because if a team plays the best team and the worst team...its going to look like they have just a middle of the road schedule. Whereas, someone who played the 99th and 100th team will technically have a harder schedule.
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