I’ll pass. I think MSU probably wins it but there are too many variables that could change it.
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I’m definitely very bullish about MSU, but will take the field every time regardless of sport except in very rare occasions.
Edit: And in this instance, there are enough challengers that it isn’t one of those cases.
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If ties count as a MSU first place I’d bet on MSU taking 1st.
I think as of now, and on paper---MSU is head and shoulders above the rest.
Michigan has won 38 games the past 4 years. How far you have to go back for Illinois to have 38 wins in a 4 year stretch?
I looked it up....Best four year stretch I can find is 1981-84: 31 wins.
Edit: We are talking football--right?
I would agree with you if tie doesn’t push. That scenario would be rare enough for me.
You got it. Had a bad experience after winning a 500 charity bet last year. Dude welched because he didn’t like the charity I picked. I trust we won’t have that issue and you will be a gracious loser. Winking
Nah- I’m thinking you’re good with your word. WWF - Wrestling? Is the Hulk struggling paying his bills? I’ll go with the Tyler Trent Foundation. Should be fun to see how it plays out.
I figure these are can’t lose bets- money to a good cause win or lose. If I win I’ll match your donation.
Cool
Edit: So does tie push or are you saying outright MSU as your original post indicated?
The programs are on different tiers. Don't get all butthurt because Harbaugh is under-performing. Your offense was so bad that our defense kept us in the game.
I’m simply pointing out that our “bad coach” has won more in his 4 years here than any coach in Illinois history has won in a 4 year stretch.
It’s interesting.
IA's best 2 4 year stretch was 38 wins 2001 thru 2004 11 win, 10, 10 and the 7 wins, the next was 37 from 2015 12 wins, 8 wins, 8 wins and 9 wins.
It puts the flack Harbaugh gets into perspective. Would I like to not feel like OSU is an automatic loss every year? Yes of course. Harbaugh hasn’t been bad, though.
And my point still stands. He's an average coach, and he's under-performing.
Lovie being a shitty college coach is completely irrelevant, but you brought your feelings to a conversation about Michigan rather than looking at it objectively.
The Michigan brand is carrying Harbaugh. Look at Meyer at OSU, he elevated that program. You're not getting that from Harbaugh.
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It’s not just Lovie, it’s any coach in the entire history of Illinois football.
Yeah Harbaugh has essentially been average at Michigan (nearly identical win percentage vs. Michigan's historical). Thought those trips to to Europe and Africa would've helped, but alas.
I really thought he'd made them a playoff type team.
For the record, I would agree with anyone saying Harbaugh's expectations (including my expectations) were too high.
I don't agree that Harbaugh isn't at least a decent coach, though.
I don't agree that Harbaugh isn't at least a decent coach, though.
Most Michigan fans thought/hoped he could turn Michigan back into a top 5 program. That's not the case but that doesn't make him a bad hire or coach.
You're so hung up on talking about Illinois to try to detract from what Harbaugh is doing. Lovie and Illinois football suck. Cool. We know.
Harbaugh isn't making Michigan better. If you're ok with a guy that's 1-3 at Michigan in bowl games, is being completely outclassed by OSU, and has 1 win against top 10 teams, that's okay. It just lets me know that the Michigan brand is falling off. OSU is the class of the conference, and you're okay with being inferior.
But if you're not okay with that, there's nothing wrong with admitting that Harbaugh is part of the problem and not the solution. Harbaugh can be a decent coach and not elevate Michigan at the same time.
Yeah he's not a bad coach and he arrived to Michigan with a pretty incredible resume, but I think he's underperforming based on pay and the overall resources they've given him. He's been pretty bad in big games / rivalries / bowls as well.
I also think his offense is worrisome. Doesn't seem to have much of an identity to it.
Probably has sth to do with the change to "speed in space".
That he thought he needed such a change wasn't wrong, but his choice of OC and the process of hiring certainly were questionable.
The story on that I have read is pretty amazing for such an important hire.
Ohio State is that class of the conference. It is what it is.
Michigan was 46-44 (24-32 in conference) in the 7 seasons before Harbaugh.
Michigan is 43-15 (29-10 in conference) in the 5 seasons with Harbaugh.
I'm at peace with that.
