Net Neutrality.
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Give the ISPs time, they won't be able to help themselves.
What really needs to happens is monopolies on the local level need to be destroyed and some actual markets created.
What really needs to happens is monopolies on the local level need to be destroyed and some actual markets created.
When I was just at my mother's house, we were grilling out and just talking. They all talked about how piss poor Windstream is (outages, customer service etc.), and would love to have a 2nd option for internet. They pay more per month for 6M than I do for 100M here in Memphis.
You mean the internet didn’t end as we know it? Imagine that. Good riddens. It needed to go.
Yep, you either need heavy regulated monopoly or an actual free market or you end up with crap like that. The big ISPs fight to keep either from happening.
I would love to hear how net neutrality negatively impacted either of you. It was a consumer/marketplace protection. There's a reason pretty much all tech companies besides ISPs and 80% of Americans support it. It was the next best thing to breaking up monopolies.
Can either of you explain what net neutrality regulated against in a single sentence?
I guess it is silly to think unmetered, unfiltered, unthrottled internet is some sort of right.
Hell, even water is metered.Granted, my water is unthrottled it doesn't slow down when I use so much. For example. I can can shower and water comes out fine, but when I run the dishwasher, it trickles unless I pay them more.
Or, how about this. Electric. Let's say I pay so much for electric, but can only use it in a room or two. If I want the other bedrooms, garage, outside etc. I need to pay for an expanded plan.
*disclaimer,I know nothing and only passing on hearsay information*
Hell, even water is metered.Granted, my water is unthrottled it doesn't slow down when I use so much. For example. I can can shower and water comes out fine, but when I run the dishwasher, it trickles unless I pay them more.
Or, how about this. Electric. Let's say I pay so much for electric, but can only use it in a room or two. If I want the other bedrooms, garage, outside etc. I need to pay for an expanded plan.
*disclaimer,I know nothing and only passing on hearsay information*
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It's not often, but water companies cut off water and place restrictions on what you can use it for during shortages. Not being able to wash cars, water lawns, even telling people to only shower X minutes, etc... You can also be fined for doing so.
Electric companies offer discounts(LOL) for people who pre-pay for their usage and a lot of companies charge different rates for usage in peak hours and off peak hours.
So.... yeah. Those services have their own "neutrality" issues. If it was easier to screw the customers with electric and water they would.
Electric companies offer discounts(LOL) for people who pre-pay for their usage and a lot of companies charge different rates for usage in peak hours and off peak hours.
So.... yeah. Those services have their own "neutrality" issues. If it was easier to screw the customers with electric and water they would.
Using talking points just highlights your mental limitations.
Your usage amount is immaterial as it really isn’t finite like the examples your listed.I guess it is silly to think unmetered, unfiltered, unthrottled internet is some sort of right.
Hell, even water is metered.Granted, my water is unthrottled it doesn't slow down when I use so much. For example. I can can shower and water comes out fine, but when I run the dishwasher, it trickles unless I pay them more.
Or, how about this. Electric. Let's say I pay so much for electric, but can only use it in a room or two. If I want the other bedrooms, garage, outside etc. I need to pay for an expanded plan.
*disclaimer,I know nothing and only passing on hearsay information*
Lmao NN is a MUST! I, nor should anyone have to pay to use specific sites unless the site themselves requires it! So if Googles wants us to pay, then that's when you should pay. ISP's should have 0 control over charging and limiting access to the internet.
However, ISP's know that if they change something or make people pay for internet PLUS extra packages to visit certain websites, they will get no money. Therefore, most large companies aren't going to change anything. It shouldn't be a big issue.
The only issue there really is now is that they have the option to charge to not slow down certain sites or not being able to visit them at all, unlike before.
However, ISP's know that if they change something or make people pay for internet PLUS extra packages to visit certain websites, they will get no money. Therefore, most large companies aren't going to change anything. It shouldn't be a big issue.
The only issue there really is now is that they have the option to charge to not slow down certain sites or not being able to visit them at all, unlike before.
Not really. People have few choices for ISP providers. They don’t really fear losing too many customers. Wait till they figure out how to limit the content you can access. And I’m not talking Netflix or Hulu. Small time stuff like advertising or regional sports packages.
If they weren't already, torrents are living on borrowed time.
Also sites like putlockers.fm, firstrowsports.eu etc.What's that addon for usb sticks.xbmc?
Also sites like putlockers.fm, firstrowsports.eu etc.What's that addon for usb sticks.xbmc?
Our ISP already had like certain sports packages and channels you could add because our internet is included with TV package. I think it's stupid that they decided to roll the neutrality back. Internet is making the world grow.
Some would say it's making it smaller.
I'm experiencing deja vu. I hate when that happens.I always try and predict what happens next.
ISP's / content providers wouldn't have lobbied to overturn NN if they didn't have intentions to throttle.
No landline ISP exists with out municipal contracts or with out using the infrastructure paid for by federal, state and municipal taxes.
Having said that, the market will likely find a way around it if throttling starts to prevent people from freely browsing the internet, either through hacks or entrepreneurs.
No landline ISP exists with out municipal contracts or with out using the infrastructure paid for by federal, state and municipal taxes.
Having said that, the market will likely find a way around it if throttling starts to prevent people from freely browsing the internet, either through hacks or entrepreneurs.
Choosing an internet provider in most of the US is like choosing a Ford Model T when they first came out. You can have any color as long as it's black.
Customer: Hey Spectrum, I don't like that you make Pornhub run faster than Youporn. Youporn is better and it's my preferred site to fap to. Fix it.
Spectrum: a) You're gross. b) No.
Customer: Do it.
Spectrum: Okay, fine, pay us $2,000 extra dollars per week and we'll make Youporn faster.
Customer: That's crazy. I'm taking my business elsewhere.
Spectrum: Lol, where you gonna go? Hughes Net? Sit down and do what we tell you to. You know what? Just for bothering us, your bill just went up $4 billion dollars. Don't call us again.
and that's how Net Not Neutrality works.
Customer: Hey Spectrum, I don't like that you make Pornhub run faster than Youporn. Youporn is better and it's my preferred site to fap to. Fix it.
Spectrum: a) You're gross. b) No.
Customer: Do it.
Spectrum: Okay, fine, pay us $2,000 extra dollars per week and we'll make Youporn faster.
Customer: That's crazy. I'm taking my business elsewhere.
Spectrum: Lol, where you gonna go? Hughes Net? Sit down and do what we tell you to. You know what? Just for bothering us, your bill just went up $4 billion dollars. Don't call us again.
and that's how Net Not Neutrality works.
I'm not sure how many ISP's are in Memphis, but won't be surprised if they end up doing the same thing. Which in turn, cancels out the benefit of having multiple ISPs.
ISP’s used their own capital to build out the network. They can choose to do with it what they want. It’s really not that difficult of a concept.
Monopolies?
Equal access/opportunity?
Would you be in favor of the privatization of libraries? Or for public libraries to charge admission fees?
Are you laughing AT "NN is a must," or laughing at the idea that it isn't necessary?
On that first bold, it sounds like you're saying NN was an unnecessary regulation protecting us from an unlikely problem.
On that second bold, it sounds like you're saying that option is important for ISP's to have (presumably for some reason other than the principle of it).
The death of Net Neutrality doesn’t take away someone’s access to the internet. There isn’t a monopoly among ISPs. It’s their capital. They built the network/infrastructure. They get to decide how they want to operate it. If an ISP starts charging too much or throttling down customers, those same customers are free to choose another ISP. It’s not rocket science.
A lot of places only have one ISP. Bend over or do without...I guess.
IDK,I'll take your word for it. Seems a lot of small town America only has one. Unless you count satelite.
If you're lucky you'll get two or three!
...via services in a controlled market contracted by legislators
...and cable lines that are forcefully buried on people's lawns with out consent
...but let's act like this is about free market capitalism
Yeah, cannot get behind NN.
I understand that you want to maximize the ability of a ISP providing company to make money. I understand that sometimes that can pay off for the investors, and sometimes that can pay off for the customers through increased investment in R&D.
But in this case, I see the negatives for the American populace, and also for the majority of American businesses, far outweighing the positives. I think it is clearly the case. And given the newness of this industry and this invention, I am fine with the government having some regulations on it.
I understand that you want to maximize the ability of a ISP providing company to make money. I understand that sometimes that can pay off for the investors, and sometimes that can pay off for the customers through increased investment in R&D.
But in this case, I see the negatives for the American populace, and also for the majority of American businesses, far outweighing the positives. I think it is clearly the case. And given the newness of this industry and this invention, I am fine with the government having some regulations on it.
Do you guys think internet throttling will become a norm with some ISPs? What about internet packages like the image I posted earlier?
Will we just get used to it and forget what it was like to just pay a monthly bill?
Could you imagine if Rivals was part of a package you had to subscribe to?
Will we just get used to it and forget what it was like to just pay a monthly bill?
Could you imagine if Rivals was part of a package you had to subscribe to?
No, I don't and I work in the TMT sector. I think this comes into play with larger corporations that take up a ton of bandwidth. I don't think it's going to be some larger issue with most individuals.
I don’t think any ISP will throttle right away. But big corporation’s first allegiance is to their shareholders i.e. bottom line. At some point, they will discover how to make more money and it will most likely be to the detriment of the consumer.
I laugh at the brainwashed Anyn Rand supporters who decry laissez-fare! Removal of NN means companies now control an in-elastic product under elastic conditions. Many have only 1/2 options and the rest just have a few. These business will collude to set prices at best. At worst, they kick off price wars amongst services/channels.
In many places, there is no viable option. What's to stop such an ISP from doing exactly what the end of NN allows?
