I'm talking about college football. Not sure you'll find anyone to agree with you that football has a better format than basketball for determining a champion.
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UNC and Dukes fall have zero to do with where they were ranked preseason. Like I said if they had been preseason top 10 they’d likely be ranked 3rd right now with the same results. That’s how important the AP poll would be it the tourney or series became fewer and fewer teams.
We would watch college spring games over college b-ball here in merica. Ratings has zero to do with it the topic.
Debatable
Where was Florida State in the original AP poll?
The issue with Florida State has been their schedule.
Plus losing to UCF
Is there is a Top 10 with that kind of L
Trying to be objective as possible here...
What makes WVU or Texas Tech great wins? Or Creighton? Just because people say?
Kansas would be somewhere between 5th and 7th in the ACC.
Let's stay in reality here
For one. Neither of them have horrible losses
Virginia lost to San Francisco
Florida St lost to UCF
UCF is considered a Bad L
Is the reason why Florida St is not ranked or at least was. They will be back in the poll this week
You are making excuses for their L to UCF
If they didn't lose to UCF they would #6 or #7
Texas started the season #19. But they don't have a horrible L. Lost to two ranked teams by a combine 6 points
Now you’re just making stuff up. FSU led more than half the game. It was a 3 point game with like 2-3 minutes to go and UCF closed out with free throws. Tip of the cap, but they didn’t run anyone off the court.
What great wins does Texas have? UNC and Indiana? FSU has those same wins. West Virginia? Well who have they beaten that makes them some big win? Oklahoma State?
West Virginia has played 4 top 35 KenPom teams and lost to all 4. Maybe they just aren’t that great?
How about Texas Tech? They beat absolutely no one of consequence out of conference. Then they beat Texas. Which brings us back to who exactly has Texas beaten?
It’s all a big circle jerk based on preseason expectations. You keep saying that FSU hasn’t had any big wins, but none of these teams have any big wins.
No I’m not I’m saying if duke lost to ucf ie had the exact same results as FSU, they’d be ranked 3rd probably. Top 5 likely top 10 for sure. Preseason rankings matter too much is the point. Not FSU resume or duke and unc being down. It’s just examples.
The preseason poll would be mean sooooooo much more if we limited the tourney field. And it couldn’t be more flawed.
Texas was ranked the same place as Florida State.
#19 compared to #21
You are trying to create a narrative full of lies.
You lost to a team that is #100 according to KenPom
Please find me a Top 25 with a more embarrassing L
UCF is 3-6 in a midmajor.
Horrible L by any measure
You don't lose to a team like that and expect to get people behind you.
Especially when the schedule lacks value so far
I have not mentioned or argued one thing with you regarding ucf. They beat FSU, I get it.
So responding to me with ucf this ucf that is wasting both our times.
So responding to me with ucf this ucf that is wasting both our times.
Oregon lost to Oregon State (133). Alabama lost to Western Kentucky. UVA lost to San Francisco.
I’m not suggesting FSU should be ranked in the top 10. What I’m suggesting is that plenty of the “big wins” you’re talking about don’t have any actual evidence behind them as “big wins.”
Who has Texas really beaten? Who has Texas Tech really beaten?
That is what is keeping Florida St down.
Has nothing to do with preseason rankings
They were ranked in the preseason even if it was #21
Even at 11-2 or whatever they are they aren't even as highly regarded now as they were in the preseason
It was the UCF game
I am trying to be as objective as possible
Texas would embarrass Florida State right now.
Maybe at the end of the season you can be up there but not right now
They are too good on both sides of the ball. Are one possession in two games against great teams from being undefeated.
Compare the 2 losses
😂😂😂
Yeah, Texas is gonna embarrass a top 15 team that has the best offense in college basketball since returning from our COVID pause? Funny stuff.
Nole u gotta understand the big 12 is the only conference out there with superior athletes and that’s all that matters.
Best offense?
You are no where close to Villanova on the offensive end.
Real talk.
If you had any chance at beating a team like Texas you need a defense
Have to play defense
Well known before the season Louisville wasn't going to be that great
I don't know why a Louisville fan will think Florida St running then off the floor makes Florida St elite
Trying to craft a narrative to make yourselves feel better
I don't know why a Louisville fan will think Florida St running then off the floor makes Florida St elite
Trying to craft a narrative to make yourselves feel better
Since January 1, FSU is the best team in college basketball. Sorry, I don’t make the stats, I just report them. https://www.barttorvik.com/?year=20...1&top=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
And FSU’s offense has been so good in that time (again, after our COVID pause), that the gap between FSU’s offense and number 2 (Gonzaga) is larger than the gap between number 2 and number 24 (LSU).
Again, It’s not my fault the numbers agree with me. https://www.barttorvik.com/?sort=Ad...=0&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0&quad=5&rpi=#
That won't be enough to beat teams like Texas.
It will be on the defensive end.
Elite offenses can easily be stop. Especially a team like Florida State.
Will have to be on the defensive end.
You have to attack Texas' guards and hope you don't leave space for Sims
You don’t know who would win against who until they actually play the game. BB is a game of matchups. FSU May match up very well vs Texas. Nobody gave FSU a prayer vs Zaga a couple years ago and FSU dominated them.
FSU typically has a couple bad losses every year early. Ham tinkers with his line up. He wants to be 10-11 deep headed into the tourney and it helps when the inevitable injuries occur. Come March those losses won’t matter, except to someone like you who looks down their schedule and says they lost to UCF, they can’t be good.
When the regular season is over the ACC May be better than you and others suppose. Just because Duke and early on UNC struggled, you don’t trash everybody. BTW UNC is coming on and have the talent to be very good at the end. The last National Champion was in fact Virginia. We’ll see.
Nothing personal but the ACC isn't great this year
Has nothing to do with UNC nor Duke
I am sorry but these are the facts.
Has nothing to do with UNC nor Duke
I am sorry but these are the facts.
You said Texas “would embarrass” FSU. You don’t say beat. You said embarrass. That’s a flat out joke. One of the biggest homer statements I’ve ever seen.
Since Jan 1, Oklahoma State has the 11th best offense and 64th best defense. Both worse than FSU. Texas barely won the game against Okie State.
But yeah, I’m sure UT would just run FSU off the court.
The ACC isn’t great. That’s correct. But that has nothing to do with Kansas (the original thread title) or Texas being great either. Other than Baylor, what has the Big 12 proven?
Texas kept trying to push the lead on Oklahoma State
But Oklahoma State played with 5 guards and this gave Texas issues at time.
Talking about being a homer...
You are the one speaking as if Florida State can compete with the elite
I am telling you right now...
Baylor is a better version of Texas at this moment
This isn't a bad thing for Texas because they are a pretty good version of themselves.
There aren't many teams who could beat them
Regarding being embarrassed.
Florida St will unless they get after it on the defensive end.
Exactly
Why bring Florida State in this conversation
I already said the difference between Kansas and Florida State
KU has 3 great wins with 0 bad losses
Florida State has 0 great wins with 1 bad L
I’m not trying to push any narrative. FSU still has some growing to do. Needs to get healthy. Needs to find some interior depth.
All I’m doing is reporting facts. Since FSU came back from their COVID pause, they have been the number 1 team in college basketball, and the offense has been in another universe (all adjusted for strength of schedule and pace, of course).
Those are just the facts.
Your arguing with a guy who said nothing random ever happens in March is all about coaches, game plans, and the players. Then doubled down on his stance of nothin random in March lol.
What great wins does Kansas have? Lol. Kansas would be a solid 4th or 5th in the ACC.
This is an endless circle.
You are creating your own ranking but at times using KenPom when needed .
According to KenPom KU has 3 Top 20 wins
Florida St has how many many?
All I’ve ever been arguing is the preseason polls would mean way to much if we cut down the tourney to 16 teams. FSU is a good example of that. The big ten is another good example of that, they will eat each other up until no one gets a bid.
How many bad losses make up for 2 extra Ls on the season.
And Oklahoma ain’t ucf level bad but it ain’t a good loss either. Oh nvm no such thing as a bad loss in the big 12 gauntlet. 5/8 elite 8 book it.
And Oklahoma ain’t ucf level bad but it ain’t a good loss either. Oh nvm no such thing as a bad loss in the big 12 gauntlet. 5/8 elite 8 book it.
