Well if you just want to go by KenPom, FSU is ahead of Kansas. So I guess that ends that.
FSU and Texas have the same number of top 25 KenPom wins by the way. Neat.
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Well if you just want to go by KenPom, FSU is ahead of Kansas. So I guess that ends that.
FSU and Texas have the same number of top 25 KenPom wins by the way. Neat.
According to KenPom
Kansas and Florida State are pretty much mathematically tied.
The difference comes in the bad L.
Florida State has at times been impressive but all data counts the same
We will see in another 30-45 days where Florida State is at
I think they have an advantage with their size in the backcourt.
Matters who is looking at it
That L really standouts for Florida State.
Why it will be almost impossible for them to get a #1 or #2 seed IMO.
KU still has a chance to get a #1 or #2.
If all data counts the same then...isn’t FSU equal to or better than Kansas, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Creighton, and Texas Tech?
Who said they weren't according to KenPom
I was arguing about AP rankings.
Like I said it looks like the writers punished Florida St for that UCF game
Not because they weren't ranked in the Top 10 to start the season
Just find it hilarious that you “objectively” said Texas would embarrass FSU when Texas lost to Texas Tech and barely beat WVU.
Big difference here.
Texas Tech was on their way to getting embarrassed but they locked up on the defensive end
Like I said Florida St would have to
WVU played one of their best games of the year against Texas
This is a team who gave Gonzaga everything they could handle. So far has been Gonzaga's toughest challenge
You don’t really know what you’re talking about, again. Even after the UCF game we were ranked. The Clemson game, when we lost, we were ranked the following poll as well. It was the Covid layoff that pushed us out of the rankings. Honestly, after winning two games last week, we should have been ranked, but whatever. The point is, if we had been top 10 to start the year, the loss the UCF probably drops us from 5th or 6th to 11-13. Then a loss on the road to a one loss team puts us 20th. All of the supporting wins for these teams with high rankings, for the most part, are against teams that lack any other wins against good competition that provides additional data to back up that ranking. It’s not just the BIG12, look at the Sec like Tennessee. So at that point you are left with the eye test and recent play as better indicators of the quality of a team. FSU can still get a 1 seed if they win out. That’s unlikely but a P5 with two losses all year would be able to argue that no matter the conference except maybe the PAC.
We play defense just fine. If you haven’t watched our games I guess you could assume otherwise but I guess you haven’t.
There is a different level that is needed.
The difference is Texas isn't all the way there yet. May never be unlike Baylor
But both teams you have to bring in on the defensive end because they will.
Baylor is probably better in adjusting to teams turning it up
I have seen Texas go sideways in both their Losses.
So you think if FSU rolls thru the acc and win the accT they won’t be a 1/2 seed with if they only have 4/5 losses. Bc of a loss the what 2nd game of the season?
I’ll take that bet. I’ll bet that FSU has just as high of a seed as the second highest seeded big12 team.
That game sticks out.
Do you understand how the NCAA ranks teams
If UCF is a sub 100 team in the NET Ranking Florida St won't get a #1 seed
Again, no way FSU won't get a 1 seed if they win out and are dominant doing it in a P5 conference. Basically, you'd have to have 4 other teams(Gonzaga, Baylor, etc) that win out as well. I'm fine with FSU being a 2 or 3, history bears out that those seeds are still quite likely to advance past the first round based on pedigree.
Quad 1 games determine #1 seeds
Then they look at Quad 2 and Quad 3
I believe that was on Florida St's home floor...
Problem with the ACC is the amount of Quad 1 games
I don't know if you can even quantify "different level" with stats, but ask our recent opponents how their teams looked against our defense compared to other defenses they have played recently. I'm sure they'll tell you that their offense looked the least comfortable against our length and depth of talent that comes off the bench where the dropoff is hardly noticeable. our weakside defense has also improved quite a bit in the last 4 games, which had a lot to do with communication and integrating new players.
Yeah, you're pontificating like people don't know the system but I'll tell you that a 2 loss, conference champion from P5 won't be shut out of a 1 seed unless there are several other extraordinary records to compete with.
Peaks and Valleys during the Basketball season
Every team has them
Have to be consistent
That doesn't mean anything ...
Only thing that matters is Quad 1-4 games
Difficult when you have as of right now 1 Quad 1 L
You can be a Conference Champion but you only have 2-3 Quad 1 wins you most likely won't get a #1 seed
If we win out, we won't only have 2-3 quad 1 wins so that is really a baseless argument.
What does that even mean? When you have a team that has 5 new players, and Covid, and the first game gets postponed, there are lots of things that can impact kids. It's fine if you say you haven't watched all of our games this year and you're just stating an opinion off box scores, but it is clear you don't have a good idea about our team
You can take out a 4 game stretch for 20+ teams usually that make them look like juggernauts usually
This was my point
The key is continuing it
All these people sleeping on that elite basketball team in Tallahassee.
What is wrong with them.
For the most part people know who you are. The issue is some of you feel like you deserve even more respect
Nothing personal, brother
There isn't anything there that says Florida St deserves it
FSU is 9th in the country since Dec 1. Aka, every game FSU has played this season.
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Right, because you can eliminate a 4 game stretch of dominance, but want to focus on 1 game where the other team shot lights out and use that as the barometer for a team. Got it. If you can't see the inconsistency of your argument, I can't do critical thinking for you
But you're not even describing the situation. The whole premise of this conversation is how ridiculous the rankings are and the subjective nature of it. Has nothing to do with wanting to deserve respect. Conversely, this is the first season that Texas has even sniffed the top 10 in how long, and it is without a marquee win anywhere on their resume. Seems like you're willing to buy in with your bias a lot faster than is warranted
FSU is 9th in the country since Dec 1. Aka, every game FSU has played this season.
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When he ranked Texas #1 to start the season you said that was a joke
You want to change your opinion now
I can bring that thread back up
You're just a cliche machine, you don't really understand basketball nearly as well as you try and convey
I will give you this.
Would rather play Iowa or Wisconsin in the E8 than Florida State
Never said the ACC was great. You said it was a bad conference. It is not.
It has no shot to get respect unless UVA, Duke, Louisville, or UNC is a top 5 team. Crazy
It was a joke. A joke then and a joke now. Texas is not anywhere close to Baylor or Gonzaga.
You’re right, they do. Which puts FSU somewhere between the 9th and 18th best team.
No, I’m saying Texas isn’t close to number 1 according to the link and the data. They are closer to 21 (Georgia Tech) than they are to 1. That’s just the facts.
So clearly, putting them #1 was way off.
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