Since he's already fouled out in multiple games this year, you'd think Cuonzo would have taken some steps to avoid this tragi-comic farce.
Jeremiah Tilmon, 4 fouls in 4 minutes of play last night for his game line
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My point was that he should be coached on ways to avoid those fouling tendencies. Perhaps work on his footwork and positioning.
So I played with this idiot in church league once. Games were four, 8-minute quarters. He'd regularly foul in in a single quarter in darn near every game.
You realize Martin is the head coach at mu, right? This is what he brings. High caliber talent, and zero coaching. He’s a hell of a recruiter, and that’s about it.
Yes, I know all about Martin, but usually a talented player survives his coaching with a semblance of efficiency.
Yeah, I'm sure it hasn't been addressed once by the coaching staff.
Do you have the same questions about Self and coaching Azubuike on free throws?
I have questions about Self keeping him in the game when they are intentionally putting him at the line. Dok has no touch. He shoots 5 and in and almost exclusively with one hand. If the defender left him open 5-10 at the basket he would never, ever shoot...b/c he cant. His mechanics look like his arm is having a stroke....nothing will fix that----just like shaq.
It doesn't appear to have been addressed once by the coaching staff. Whatever may have been imparted certainly hasn't been effectively learned.
You should know first that I'm not a Kansas fan, but the issue with lousy free throw shooting is that it's often an intrinsic problem with the player that coaching can't remedy. Another Kansas player, Wilt Chamberlain, was a horrible free throw shooter, and so was Shaquille O'Nel. However, if they were fouling out in 4 to 10 minutes of play, that would have a far greater more detrimental effect on the team than bad free throw shooting.
I was just referencing another prominent issue where a talented player has a glaring hole in their game. Tilmon being foul-prone is likely more about a freshman adjusting to the speed of the major-college game than it is any coaching error.
Your point about free throw shooting is the exact one I'm trying to make - sometimes simply coaching a player harder won't fix an issue.
I don't think those deficiencies are comparable. Frequently, poor free throw shooting is something that is never corrected. Wilt tried different stances, read psychology books, hired special free throw coaches, and he still sucked at that aspect of his game. Conversely, fouling out at such a prodigious rate is something that can be avoided by instilling a basic bit of intelligence. I realize that some players are overeager and forget what they've been taught, but this degree of fouling is something I'd have to consult the record books for to determine a similar instance.
one thing I hate about college basketball is that most often this happens........... Tilmon can play the exact same way...... but as a junior and senior wont be called for nearly as many fouls...
Whether they are freshmen or seniors..... call the game the same way douche nozzle refs...
Whether they are freshmen or seniors..... call the game the same way douche nozzle refs...
Self and Martin are worlds apart. One is a HOf’er, the other can’t coach his way out of a paper bag.
Not pulling Dok, and allowing OU to continue to foul him, has certainly been addressed. I understand his decision. How do you take out your only big man, and one of the best players on a very thin team, in the most crucial minutes? Also, if the opposing team is intentionally fouling, shouldn’t the refs call and intentional foul? That still is a head scratcher. Anyways, I promise you all he’s been doing this week is shooting free throws. He’ll get better this year free throws. I doubt Tillman will at fouling.
Just FYI, I wasn't taking a shot at Self, Kansas, or Azubuike. Was just looking to draw a parallel of a guy consistently struggling at one aspect of his game - even in spite of a coach's best efforts.
Understood. I didn’t take it as you were taking a shot. No worries brother.
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