IU and UK fans. It's time.

[kyjeff1]

Fat fingering a phone hardly compares to reading comprehension issues. Nice try Ace.

Cal is a slimey childish coward, but that is another discussion.

My point was and is that Ky fanboi could not comprehend the notion of a stand up university self reporting.

You have proven my point

Hope this helps Ace.

Let me guess, you forgot all those commas, because you fat fingered the space bar??? Is that what you're going to go with this time?

Yeah, your original comment wasn't about UK self reporting Cal, even though you just made your feelings about Cal being a "Slimy Childish coward" known. Yeah, we believe you (eyeroll).

You’re too obvious and the last thing YOU should be doing, is calling others out for reading comprehension and grammar.

 

[JC for 3]

Is there a whinier baby than Bert in all of cyberspace?

....find your nearest mirror.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Let me guess, you forgot all those commas, because you fat fingered the space bar??? Is that what you're going to go with this time?

Yeah, your original comment wasn't about UK self reporting Cal, even though you just made your feelings about Cal being a "Slimy Childish coward" known. Yeah, we believe you (eyeroll).

You’re too obvious and the last thing YOU should be doing, is calling others out for reading comprehension and grammar.

I was being polite when describing Cal.

As for you...debating a 60 IQ Ky fanboi is better left for 70 IQ KU fanbois.

Have a dandy day...Ace.

 

[ExitFlagger]

....find your nearest mirror.

Interesting. What do I whine about again?

 

[JC for 3]

Interesting. What do I whine about again?

...rhetorical question.

 

[kyjeff1]

I was being polite when describing Cal.

As for you...debating a 60 IQ Ky fanboi is better left for 70 IQ KU fanbois.

Have a dandy day...Ace.

Well, this was an enlightening conversation. I'm not sure I really gained anything from it, but I know you did.

Yikes.

 

[ExitFlagger]

I was being polite when describing Cal.

As for you...debating a 60 IQ Ky fanboi is better left for 70 IQ KU fanbois.

Have a dandy day...Ace.

Where's that place you, Cletus? Sub zero?

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Well, this was an enlightening conversation. I'm not sure I really gained anything from it, but I know you did.

Yikes.

You didn't.

You can't.

 

[ExitFlagger]

...rhetorical question.

Nah, it was a legit question.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Nah, it was a legit question.

I am fairly new here but you have whined about many of my posts.

 

[ExitFlagger]

I am fairly new here but you have whined about many of my posts.

What did I whine about? How boring they are?

 

[Courtsensetwo]

What did I whine about? How boring they are?

bingo more whining

You also whined about hearing the truth about Self over and over.

No biggie, but now you know you are indeed a whiner.

hope that helps

 

[ExitFlagger]

bingo

Okay. Guilty as charged. 🤣

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Fat fingering a phone hardly compares to reading comprehension issues. Nice try Ace.

Cal is a slimey childish coward, but that is another discussion.

My point was and is that Ky fanboi could not comprehend the notion of a stand up university self reporting.

You have proven my point

Hope this helps Ace.

More proof that you are a little dick.

Geeze you are sick.

Cal is a good guy. He is not the best coach ever for sure. But he is far, far better than a Crean.

Geeze guy get a life.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

More proof that you are a little dick.

Geeze you are sick.

Cal is a good guy. He is not the best coach ever for sure. But he is far, far better than a Crean.

Geeze guy get a life.

Crean was a goofball and a meh Coach

Cal is a slimy childish coward and a meh coach

 

[ExitFlagger]

bingo more whining

You also whined about hearing the truth about Self over and over.

No biggie, but now you know you are indeed a whiner.

hope that helps

Which truth? That he won a title in the midst of a years-long investigation, with the lowest-rated recruits to ever win? You only wish you had such a badass on your sideline.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Which truth? That he won a title in the midst of a years-long investigation, with the lowest-rated recruits to ever win? You only wish you had such a badass on your sideline.

JC, is the bolded just for KU? Which rankings and link?
It seems like this should be easily provable.

TIA.

 

[ExitFlagger]

JC, is the bolded just for KU? Which rankings and link?
It seems like this should be easily provable.

TIA.

RSCI rankings. You can find any of the rosters at sports-reference.com. KU had two top 100 players in the rotation and zero 5 stars.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

RSCI rankings. You can find any of the rosters at sports-reference.com. KU had two top 100 players in the rotation and zero 5 stars.

Is that the lowest ever to win?
Also, is rotation different than on the roster?

"with the lowest-rated recruits to ever win"

 

[ExitFlagger]

Is that the lowest ever to win?
Also, is rotation different than on the roster?

"with the lowest-rated recruits to ever win"

Lowest since rankings have existed.

They had a few top 100 freshmen who didn't crack the rotation. The only top 100 players who played double digit minutes were Wilson (51) and McCormack (30).

Compare to, say, 2015 Duke. Their guys with double digit minutes were ranked #1, #7, #12, #13, #21, #31, #32, #34. #24 Grayson Allen was just under 10 min/game.

2012 Kentucky had #1, #3, #7, #11, #19, #26, #35.

Their lowest-rated dudes were about the same as KU's highest.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Lowest since rankings have existed.

They had a few top 100 freshmen who didn't crack the rotation. The only top 100 players who played double digit minutes were Wilson (51) and McCormack (30).

Compare to, say, 2015 Duke. Their guys with double digit minutes were ranked #1, #7, #12, #13, #21, #31, #32, #34. #24 Grayson Allen was just under 10 min/game.

2012 Kentucky had #1, #3, #7, #11, #19, #26, #35.

Their lowest-rated dudes were about the same as KU's highest.

You're still not answering. You've said this a few times, I thought you had a link or something. Rankings have been out for decades (before the internet), and I have a hard time believing they were "the lowest-rated recruits to ever win".

 

[kyjeff1]

One has to ask, why didn't Self win when he had rosters filled with highly rated kids?

 

[ExitFlagger]

You're still not answering. You've said this a few times, I thought you had a link or something. Rankings have been out for decades (before the internet), and I have a hard time believing they were "the lowest-rated recruits to ever win".

How could there be higher-rated recruits prior to that if they weren’t rated?

I’ve read it a few times. Don’t have a link off-hand, but every team I’ve looked at had higher-rated recruits. Most were full of top 100 and 5 star players.

Why do you have a hard time believing it? Title teams are usually loaded with pro talent.

 

[ExitFlagger]

One has to ask, why didn't Self win when he had rosters filled with highly rated kids?

He won with his highest-rated recruits in 2008. Would’ve had a great shot in 2020. A few other times he ran into all-time great teams.

But isn’t this like asking why K didn’t win with one of the most loaded teams ever in ‘99? We all know shit happens in the tourney.

 

[kyjeff1]

How could there be higher-rated recruits prior to that if they weren’t rated?

I’ve read it a few times. Don’t have a link off-hand, but every team I’ve looked at had higher-rated recruits. Most were full of top 100 and 5 star players.

Why do you have a hard time believing it? Title teams are usually loaded with pro talent.

I'm not sure about this. The teams winning titles, are built out of juniors and seniors that weren't highly rated at all. Some made it to the NBA, but they made it based on what they eventually accomplished in college.

How many lottery picks have you seen recently in the FF and title games? Not very many.

The teams winning titles are veteran teams that have developed as a team over time.

 

[kyjeff1]

He won with his highest-rated recruits in 2008. Would’ve had a great shot in 2020. A few other times he ran into all-time great teams.

But isn’t this like asking why K didn’t win with one of the most loaded teams ever in ‘99? We all know shit happens in the tourney.

Well, 2008 was a long time ago.

Why is nobody asking why K didn’t win in '99? Well, the most obvious reason is no duke fans are in here looking for a pat on the back for something their coach did.

But damn man, '99 was 24 years ago dude. Do you really want to start talking about coaches that have underachieved with title winning teams?

 

[kyjeff1]

Take a look at Baylor's 20/21 roster:

Highest rated kid was Davion Mitchell, he was rated 58th in 2017. Other than that, they had Matt Mayer (86th in 2018), Mark Vital (79th in 2016) and Cryer (83rd in 2020). Nobody else was ranked.

Mark Vital played the 5 at 6'5", now that's impressive.

Heck, Scott Drew pulled Adam Flagler out of Presbyterian college.

Comparing Baylor 20/21 to KU 21/22 it looks to me like KU had 4 guys rated higher than Baylor's highest rated recruit (30, 51, 38 and 43).

Where Scott Drew's appreciation thread?

 

[ExitFlagger]

Well, 2008 was a long time ago.

Your point? It was his highest-rated team. His recruiting got pretty spotty after that and fell off a cliff after the FBI probe.

Why is nobody asking why K didn’t win in '99? Well, the most obvious reason is no duke fans are in here looking for a pat on the back for something their coach did.

Pat on the back? LOL. Apparently you're trying to start another dumb argument by putting words in my mouth.

Guess you missed the point.

Do you really want to start talking about coaches that have underachieved with title winning teams?

How exactly do you underachieve with a title winning team?

 

[kyjeff1]

Your point? It was his highest-rated team. His recruiting got pretty spotty after that and fell off a cliff after the FBI probe.



Pat on the back? LOL. Apparently you're trying to start another dumb argument by putting words in my mouth.

Guess you missed the point.



How exactly do you underachieve with a title winning team?

Bill Self had title winning talent, not teams, 'talent'. I realize I said "teams", but I meant 'talent', which is what this is about.

 

[ExitFlagger]

I'm not sure about this. The teams winning titles, are built out of juniors and seniors that weren't highly rated at all. Some made it to the NBA, but they made it based on what they eventually accomplished in college.

How many lottery picks have you seen recently in the FF and title games? Not very many.

The teams winning titles are veteran teams that have developed as a team over time.

I said that title teams are usually full of pros. I didn't say freshman pros. But plenty of OADs have contributed to titles too.

2012 Kentucky had 7 NBA guys. 96 Kentucky had 9. '98 Kentucky had 6.

It's ridiculous to say that most title winners didn't have highly-rated players.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Bill Self had title winning talent, not teams, 'talent'. I realize I said "teams", but I meant 'talent', which is what this is about.

Not sure any of those teams should have been expected to win it all. 2010 was the overall 1 seed, but there were several loaded teams that year.

He's taken three teams to the title game that weren't expected to be there, and he's failed with a few really talented teams. Didn't get a shot in 2020, which was probably his best opportunity (in terms of strength of the team relative to the field).

What's the point? That he's vulnerable to upsets like every other coach in history?

 

[ExitFlagger]

Take a look at Baylor's 20/21 roster:

Highest rated kid was Davion Mitchell, he was rated 58th in 2017. Other than that, they had Matt Mayer (86th in 2018), Mark Vital (79th in 2016) and Cryer (83rd in 2020). Nobody else was ranked.

Mark Vital played the 5 at 6'5", now that's impressive.

Heck, Scott Drew pulled Adam Flagler out of Presbyterian college.

Comparing Baylor 20/21 to KU 21/22 it looks to me like KU had 4 guys rated higher than Baylor's highest rated recruit (30, 51, 38 and 43).

Where Scott Drew's appreciation thread?

Baylor had 4 top 100 guys in their rotation. KU had 2. But they were pretty similar rankings-wise. And Drew did a great job with that team.

 

[kyjeff1]

I said that title teams are usually full of pros. I didn't say freshman pros. But plenty of OADs have contributed to titles too.

2012 Kentucky had 7 NBA guys. 96 Kentucky had 9. '98 Kentucky had 6.

It's ridiculous to say that most title winners didn't have highly-rated players.

It really isn't ridiculous to say most title winners didn't have highly rated players.

You can only find a few, but I guess if we're going to debate this, you should tell me what you consider "highly rated". That could mean a lot of things. Are we talking about lottery picks, 5* only kids, or are 4* kids included?

Again, Baylor's title winning team had far less talent than KU's '22 team. I also, without looking, believe '16 Nova, '17 uNC, '18 Nova, '19 UVA and '23 UConn, had lower rated talent too.

You're not going to see too many rosters winning titles with a 'Jack Salt' starting at the 5.

Truth is, KU's '22 roster is pretty typical of what wins in today's college basketball, in fact, it had more talent than most teams that have won since 2015/16.

 

[kyjeff1]

Not sure any of those teams should have been expected to win it all. 2010 was the overall 1 seed, but there were several loaded teams that year.

He's taken three teams to the title game that weren't expected to be there, and he's failed with a few really talented teams. Didn't get a shot in 2020, which was probably his best opportunity (in terms of strength of the team relative to the field).

What's the point? That he's vulnerable to upsets like every other coach in history?

Yeah, homers on RR claim UK's 20 team was going to win the title that year too. Thumbs down.

KU had more than 1 roster that had title winning talent, it wasn't just 2010. Heck, you had Embiid (#16), Wiggins (#1 rated player), Ellis and Wayne Seldon in 2013/14, Self went 25-10 and lost in the 2nd round to Stanford.

I found that on a quick search, I can guarantee there's more. Heck, Y'all had the Morris twins for more than 1 year didn't you? Lost to Northern Iowa with both on the roster IIRC.

 

[kyjeff1]

Baylor had 4 top 100 guys in their rotation. KU had 2. But they were pretty similar rankings-wise. And Drew did a great job with that team.

You think KU only had 2 top 100 players in 2022? Look again. KU had 6 and they all played. KJ Adams only played 4mpg, but he played. Baylor's rated players played very similar minutes, only their players were rated lower.

 

[kyjeff1]

Baylor's 20/21 roster.

 

[ExitFlagger]

It really isn't ridiculous to say most title winners didn't have highly rated players.

You can only find a few, but I guess if we're going to debate this, you should tell me what you consider "highly rated". That could mean a lot of things. Are we talking about lottery picks, 5* only kids, or are 4* kids included?

Again, Baylor's title winning team had far less talent than KU's '22 team. I also, without looking, believe '16 Nova, '17 uNC, '18 Nova, '19 UVA and '23 UConn, had lower rated talent too.

You're not going to see too many rosters winning titles with a 'Jack Salt' starting at the 5.

Truth is, KU's '22 roster is pretty typical of what wins in today's college basketball, in fact, it had more talent than most teams that have won since 2015/16.

First off, I'm not saying there was no talent there. I'm talking strictly about rankings. There's no objective way to fully measure "talent."

Virginia had 5 top 100 players in their rotation and 6 NBA guys. '16 Nova's top 7 were all top 100 recruits. 6 pros. '18 Nova had several top 100 recruits in the rotation and their top 5 all went to the NBA. '23 UConn had 5 top 100 recruits that played double digit minutes. 2017 UNC had 8 top 100 players that played double digit minutes and 5 top 25 recruits.

No, KU's roster (rankings-wise) was not typical of title-winners. Baylor and UConn were close, but they're outliers too.

I'm pretty sure that when you watched Kentucky play in AFH that year, you didn't come away thinking "Gee, that team was loaded."

 

[ExitFlagger]

Baylor's 20/21 roster.

Again, I'm talking about guys that actually played. A #98-rated freshman who played 100 minutes all year didn't exactly contribute much to a championship run. Same with the other two.

KU had two top 100 players in the rotation and Baylor had four. And like I said, Baylor's an outlier too.

You can pretend that 5 out of 7 rotation guys outside the top 100 is typical for title winners, but it clearly isn't.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Yeah, homers on RR claim UK's 20 team was going to win the title that year too. Thumbs down.

Nothing's guaranteed, and I never said it was. I said it would've been his best opportunity, especially the way that team was built (lockdown defense and tons of high-percentage inside baskets). But comparing that Kentucky team to that KU team is funny.

KU had more than 1 roster that had title winning talent, it wasn't just 2010. Heck, you had Embiid (#16), Wiggins (#1 rated player), Ellis and Wayne Seldon in 2013/14, Self went 25-10 and lost in the 2nd round to Stanford.

I found that on a quick search, I can guarantee there's more. Heck, Y'all had the Morris twins for more than 1 year didn't you? Lost to Northern Iowa with both on the roster IIRC.

Embiid didn't play in the tourney. And they lost him late in the year without much time to adjust. Kind of a big deal.

Again, what's your point? That every coach with some highly-rated players should win the title?

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Which truth? That he won a title in the midst of a years-long investigation, with the lowest-rated recruits to ever win? You only wish you had such a badass on your sideline.

More whining from you

That 'badass" doesn't qualify for admission.