its starting Patrick McCaffery is starting to drop

[nitewing]

I'm not arguing that he wasn't invited and didn't go. You said he was rated a Top 10 player there and said another one said he was the 3rd best SF. I am asking where you got that information.

Tried googling it and the internet found zero results for Wieskamp being a Top 10 player and Zero results for Wieskamp being the 3rd best SF. I'm just wanting to know where you saw that.

Also stop moving the goalposts, I said nothing about Garza and I dont want to know anything about an average major D1 player. I was interested in the top 10 player in HS. I guess anything less than Wieskamp being all American and projected lottery pick after his freshman year, Fran would be a terrible coach and screwed over his future?

this came out last summer after each top 100 camp got done and the in the top 8 by the Adidas sponsers on the Adidas AAU Circuit after the last Championship game was played at the end of July.

this was posted by every Mod Admins on all the Hawkeye related sites and by ESPN and 247.

Why you can't find it is surprising to me. his final stats.
33.5 ppg, 13.4 rpg, 1.33 spg, 1.25 bpg, 1.54 apg
shooting 55.5% from the field, 34.3% from 3 and 84.5% from the FTL
just the 2nd player to be the Iowa Gatorade POY and be named Mr. BB the other was 5* Harrison Barnes who played for UNCheats.
both were forwards
Barnes chose a so called Blue Blood in UNCheats
Wieskamp chose non Blue Blood Iowa.

non blue blood teams don't get highly rated players
Blue Blood team do. pretty cut and dried.

 

[nitewing]

Patrick started out in the top 25 and now has dropped to #35.

 

[SloppyHopkins]

Patrick started out in the top 25 and now has dropped to #35.

Cry more about a trivial number that has nothing to do with how Iowa will do in the future.

 

[boiler1987]

Patrick started out in the top 25 and now has dropped to #35.

Because other players are better than him. It’s not a conspiracy against Iowa.

 

[boiler1987]

this came out last summer after each top 100 camp got done and the in the top 8 by the Adidas sponsers on the Adidas AAU Circuit after the last Championship game was played at the end of July.

this was posted by every Mod Admins on all the Hawkeye related sites and by ESPN and 247.

Why you can't find it is surprising to me. his final stats.
33.5 ppg, 13.4 rpg, 1.33 spg, 1.25 bpg, 1.54 apg
shooting 55.5% from the field, 34.3% from 3 and 84.5% from the FTL
just the 2nd player to be the Iowa Gatorade POY and be named Mr. BB the other was 5* Harrison Barnes who played for UNCheats.
both were forwards
Barnes chose a so called Blue Blood in UNCheats
Wieskamp chose non Blue Blood Iowa.

non blue blood teams don't get highly rated players
Blue Blood team do. pretty cut and dried.

Why don’t you go ahead and send us a link with the information?

 

[nitewing]

Cry more about a trivial number that has nothing to do with how Iowa will do in the future.

they will do far better than what you and others are hoping they will do.

 

[jwardelt]

they will do far better than what you and others are hoping they will do.

So 11th instead of 12th?

 

[nitewing]

So 11th instead of 12th?

take the ban bet.

 

[jwardelt]

take the ban bet.

Bottom half you lose, top half I lose.

 

[nitewing]

here is the difference between the 17-18 season
PG Bohannon no backup with these trying and learning on the fly
SF Dailey who only played in 12 games
SG Ellingson who was a SG only
18-19 season
PG Bohannon backup
PG Connor McCaffery and CG Fredrick
SG Moss backup Ellingson who was playing 2 positions
18-19
SG Moss backup Dailey and CG Fredrick
SF Baer backup Wagner
18-19
SF Wieskamp backup Baer the 16-17 BT 6th MOY
PF Cook backup Pemsl
18-19
Cook/Pemsl depending on if Cook stays in the NBA
or comes back backup Nunge
PF Pemsl backup Nunge/Kriener
C Garza backup Kriener/ Nunge

this team is deep at the 1-2 and 3 position this upcoming season vs last season where many players were playing out of position,
7'0 Nunge having to play/start at the 3
Dailey having to play at the 1/PG
Ellingson who has since transferred to instate school Drake of the MVC. Wagner is still deciding on who he is going to play FB for, just went on a visit to Kentucky's FB team.

 

[nitewing]

Bottom half you lose, top half I lose.

ok but I prefer your 12th place finish as the bottom of the bet limit.

 

[SloppyHopkins]

ok but I prefer your 12th place finish as the bottom of the bet limit.

Why don't you do Top 5 since you're so sure they'll be there.

 

[nitewing]

Why don't you do Top 5 since you're so sure they'll be there.

because so many think they won't finish better than 12th, so why should one person prediction be made the bet vs the many that predicts 12th or worse.

 

[SloppyHopkins]

because so many think they won't finish better than 12th, so why should one person prediction be made the bet vs the many that predicts 12th or worse.

Is this English? I can't read that.

I'd bet you they won't make higher than 6th, but ban bets are stoopid. Call it a friendly bet.

 

[nitewing]

Is this English? I can't read that.

I'd bet you they won't make higher than 6th, but ban bets are stoopid. Call it a friendly bet.

oh I keep forgetting about those whose intelligence level that are not up to kindergarten level
put simple
the many say Iowa can not or will not finish better than 12 should not out weigh the opinion of the one.

therefore the bet limit should be set at the 12 place finish. with no other moving of the bar than a 12th place finish.

to move the bar lower is admitting how big a hypocrites most are on here reguarding where Iowa will finish.

 

[SloppyHopkins]

oh I keep forgetting about those whose intelligence level that are not up to kindergarten level
put simple
the many say Iowa can not or will not finish better than 12 should not out weigh the opinion of the one.

therefore the bet limit should be set at the 12 place finish. with no other moving of the bar than a 12th place finish.

to move the bar lower is admitting how big a hypocrites most are on here reguarding where Iowa will finish.

Dude whatever you wrote made zero sense, but I understood what you were attempting to type.

It's cool that 12th place would be an accomplishment for Fran. You appear to not be very confident in a possible top 7 finish hah.

 

[nitewing]

Dude whatever you wrote made zero sense, but I understood what you were attempting to type.

It's cool that 12th place would be an accomplishment for Fran. You appear to not be very confident in a possible top 7 finish hah.

better than the majority predicting a 12th or worse finish. its been 3 seasons since Fran guided Iowa to back to back 3rd place finishes with a group of JR then SR's
of which this years team will be based on with 5/6 JR's Depending on if Cook comes back, even his potential replacement will be a JR.

PLUS this years team will have a Senior as their leader vs last season where there was NOBODY.
in 16-17 when they finished in a tie for 5th those the FR had SR Jok to be their leader.

this reminds me of the JR/SR players of those 3rd place finishes had these as SR leaders
Marble
then White
a SR can and will do a lot for a young team.

 

[Herkster5]

Damn site always throws an error that doesn't allow me to post. Strange.

Nitewing, I'm an Iowa fan, not a troll. Not our fault that you are unstable and uninformed.

 

[nitewing]

Damn site always throws an error that doesn't allow me to post. Strange.

Nitewing, I'm an Iowa fan, not a troll. Not our fault that you are unstable and uninformed.

uniformed on what?

 

[nitewing]

Damn site always throws an error that doesn't allow me to post. Strange.

Nitewing, I'm an Iowa fan, not a troll. Not our fault that you are unstable and uninformed.

which site are you from Hawkeye Nation or Hawkeye report?

 

[nitewing]

Damn site always throws an error that doesn't allow me to post. Strange.

Nitewing, I'm an Iowa fan, not a troll. Not our fault that you are unstable and uninformed.

I am waiting. you just come here and call me out then run away. I believe there is a rule on here about that

maybe a mod can clarify that for me.

 

[SloppyHopkins]

I am waiting. you just come here and call me out then run away. I believe there is a rule on here about that

maybe a mod can clarify that for me.

you're psycho

 

[nitewing]

you're psycho

no I am sane just been following recruiting since the day the star system was invented. plus before when the magazines would just come out with their top 40, top 100, top 250 then their honorable mention.
after 60 years of being a Hawk fan you pick up a few things here and there. and being a former BB coach you can tell how good a player is.

 

[SloppyHopkins]

no I am sane just been following recruiting since the day the star system was invented. plus before when the magazines would just come out with their top 40, top 100, top 250 then their honorable mention.
after 60 years of being a Hawk fan you pick up a few things here and there. and being a former BB coach you can tell how good a player is.

Sure sounds like you're an incredible talent evaluator that's neither biased towards mediocre Iowa recruits, not swayed by meaningless high school accolades, nor influenced by random 3v3 tournaments.

You should be hired.

 

[nitewing]

Sure sounds like you're an incredible talent evaluator that's neither biased towards mediocre Iowa recruits, not swayed by meaningless high school accolades, nor influenced by random 3v3 tournaments.

You should be hired.

I have looked at other teams recruits when the discussion come up. as to how they fit into a teams rotation.

some players fit and some don't, its all about the style of play. is it a finesse type of offense, does the coach prefer to play zone, man to man, up tempo, a slow and controlled offense.

not every player no matter how many stars by a kids name can play every style.

Izzo likes the physical players other like the speed players,

there is more to BB than just throwing players together and giving them the BB, then telling them to go play.

 

[SloppyHopkins]

I have looked at other teams recruits when the discussion come up. as to how they fit into a teams rotation.

some players fit and some don't, its all about the style of play. is it a finesse type of offense, does the coach prefer to play zone, man to man, up tempo, a slow and controlled offense.

not every player no matter how many stars by a kids name can play every style.

Izzo likes the physical players other like the speed players,

there is more to BB than just throwing players together and giving them the BB, then telling them to go play.

You literally started this thread to complain abount numbers and stars applied to Iowa recruits...

 

[WheelerG]

You literally started this thread to complain abount numbers and stars applied to Iowa recruits...

 

[nitewing]

You literally started this thread to complain abount numbers and stars applied to Iowa recruits...

no I started this thread to complain about Patrick dropping in the ranking with out any rhyme or reason, he has done nothing to deserve to be dropped but he has done enough to move back up to where he started.

he is dropping because the blue bloods didn't offer and he committed to play for Iowa.

in fact Bossi wrote a offer about how the blue bloods should offer him this came out after he committed.

 

[SloppyHopkins]

no I started this thread to complain about Patrick dropping in the ranking with out any rhyme or reason, he has done nothing to deserve to be dropped but he has done enough to move back up to where he started.

he is dropping because the blue bloods didn't offer and he committed to play for Iowa.

in fact Bossi wrote a offer about how the blue bloods should offer him this came out after he committed.

Cool story. I bet you've seen every play ranked ahead of him, yes? If not, just shut up and bring your Iowa recruit bitching back to the Iowa boards. No one here GAS.

 

[nitewing]

then why are you even reading or responding?

 

[SloppyHopkins]

then why are you even reading or responding?

No idea. To let you know how wrong you are, I guess. You're randomly complaining with no knowledge except your biased hawkeye fanboyisms. You have no idea about the players ahead of him.

Why did you post this here? Did you honestly expect anyone to care or agree with you?

 

[nitewing]

No idea. To let you know how wrong you are, I guess. You're randomly complaining with no knowledge except your biased hawkeye fanboyisms. You have no idea about the players ahead of him.

Why did you post this here? Did you honestly expect anyone to care or agree with you?

its got to 4 pages.

 

[nitewing]

and has over 2000 views so it must be of interest to a lot of people.

 

[SloppyHopkins]

and has over 2000 views so it must be of interest to a lot of people.

Good job - it's because it's honestly funny. More people now know how much Iowas recruiting sucks.

Still avoiding my question I see. You have zero knowledge of the players ranked above your golden boy 5*.

And even if recruits dropped in the rankings because they committed to Iowa, who cares? It's makes sense. No good player goes to Iowa over about 40 other vastly superior schools/experiences/coaches.

 

[nitewing]

Good job - it's because it's honestly funny. More people now know how much Iowas recruiting sucks.

Still avoiding my question I see. You have zero knowledge of the players ranked above your golden boy 5*.

And even if recruits dropped in the rankings because they committed to Iowa, who cares? It's makes sense. No good player goes to Iowa over about 40 other vastly superior schools/experiences/coaches.

boy you are delusional

 

[SloppyHopkins]

boy you are delusional

Keep avoiding the question. Have you seen the players ranked ahead of him? Which players do you think he's better than? Why?

I don't care about your response, I just know you wouldn't be able to give an educated one.

 

[nitewing]

Keep avoiding the question. Have you seen the players ranked ahead of him? Which players do you think he's better than? Why?

I don't care about your response, I just know you wouldn't be able to give an educated one.

since the Evaluation really haven't started how can anyone see them. to evaluate them. as more videos from camps and AAU events then I will give a honest and accurate assessment. right now there are events going on where the coaches can start watching them. it is these where the videos start popping up for others to watch even its a 1.5 to 3 minute long in content. used to be there were what was called the 30 seconds of tape type players where they good ones literally jumped out at you with their WOW ability.

since I am disabled the only way to see them is on the internet. what is your qualification?

and this happens to EVERY PLAYER THAT COMMITS TO Iowa. not just 1 or maybe 2, because that is to be expected but not every damn recruit.

 

[WheelerG]

boy you are delusional

 

[lkc1234]

why am I not surprised, the blue bloods are not offering because he has committed to play for his father, [big surprise there]
no blue blood offer = no justification for having rated very high.
already led his 3 on 3 team to the National USA Championship and was named the MVP. yeah a real good reason to start dropping him.

He was over rated to start with.

 

[nitewing]

He was over rated to start with.

have you seen him play? last summer he led his team to the 16U Adidas Guantlet Championship then to the Adidas end of season championship.