If I'm Bob Huggins....
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This statement is a true work of art coming from a WVa fan. Well done. If WVa was called for half of the fouls they actually commit they would be out of eligible players by halftime of every game.
You idiots make it so hard to let this go.
We foul a lot. No doubt.
But 35-2.... get the fvck outta here.
You won, be happy. But holy shit... admit you got some help. Amazes me that so many KU fans can't understand the outrage, and continue to try to justify that. Shows what a delusional bunch of homers you really are.
I dont care about where we took our shots from. Dont care about total number of fouls compared to the average. Dont care about what you think of our style of play, or where the game was played..... 35-2.
35 to fvcking 2!
Most amazing thing is even after getting bent over by the refs, we still should've won that game by double digits if Huggs didn't call off the dogs. Hard to say you're clearly better than a team after getting swept, but any reasonable KU fan (I know there are a few out there) would probably admit they know they're extremely lucky to not be 0-2 against WVU and eliminated from the Big 12 title race.
It's not just WVU fans saying we got screwed... it's everybody outside of Lawrence, KS.
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Like I said... you idiots make it hard to move on.
Only thing more amazing than 35 to 2 is the fact you guys try to justify it. Some even think it should be worse.
If your fans continue to be morons and reply to me, why shouldn't I call you out for it?
Most of us understand your complaint and your goddamn outrage. It's been that way since the 2nd or 3rd time you said it but 47 more times later we still have a realistic common understanding. Apparently you are not understanding.
Believe me, I know I look like a lunatic right now.
We're all a little nuts for spending as much time as we do on here, but I consider myself a pretty rational/solid poster.
Some things are hard to let go of though, and 35-2 is one of them. I drank so much this weekend that I almost took a day off work today because of that shit. And I probably should have, because I'm not working. Just being super salty and bs'ing on here all day.
I get it and rightfully so. I was really understanding with WVU to an extent (and to a few WVU posters are still understanding). My extent has gone well past the limits but I guess that's how it goes sometimes.
It took me 30 seconds on Twitter and YouTube to find half a dozen uncalled blatant fouls on your big man alone. Just saying...
Agreed, I still remember a technical on Brandon Watkins and an offensive foul on Devon Williams that I thought were bad. Was one of the more bizarre games I've watched. Staten and Browne were hurt so we had to rely on two freshman guards, Miles and Carter. Team had zero chance and then KU 0/15 from deep?!
Fair enough. Half dozen might be pushing it but he got away with a few push offs on those lobs over the defense. Then the foul at the end on Miles. Those are offensive fouls though. Don't lead to FTs. Also Doke hasn't really been called for that push off much this year. Although I do agree that if you don't call the foul on Doke you can't call the foul on Konate when he got his 3rd.
But I'm not talking fouls that would not have resulted in FTs. If we talked about that we could go through the game and I feel confident I'd find more non-shooting fouls on WVU not called than KU. I'm talking about shooting fouls. Fouls that would have resulted in FTs for WVU. I really couldn't see many when I went back and watched the game outside of 1 mayne 2 clear fouls on Doke and a few 50/50 calls.
I'm am hoping here shortly to go back through the game and look at KU's shot attempts and the type of fouls called.
You misinterpreted my entire post. I will try to make it simpler.
KU has gotten regular season preferential treatment from the officials for years. That has indirectly led to them receiving a seed which wasn't truly indicative of what they were as a team. As a result, they've been embarrassed on multiple occasions by mid-majors, or just haven't played to their seed line (as you also pointed out above).
Also, KU didn't lose to Stanford purely because of Embid being injured. The once in a lifetime, transcendent talent Andrew Wiggins scored a whopping 4 points. That's not bad luck. That's a choke job.
Bucknell, Bradley, Northern Iowa, and VCU were all conveniently omitted from your excusatory post above, btw.
Every foul helps lead to possible free throws if you haven't already reached the double bonus (in that case offensive fouls only effect that players paying time). Especially as many as he got away with.
Not to mention he's the only big man on your team and should've been fouled out or on the bench in foul trouble
Konate was taken out of the game on 2 horrific calls. Azabuike was allowed to play 30+ minutes.
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The 2014 team was completely different without Embiid. We said that all year, analysts said that all year, people on here said it all year. Not having him against Stanford turned a top 5 team into a top 25 team. You can call it a choke if you want but we didn’t have much confidence going into that game. And that Stanford team ended up with 2 players in the NBA, IIRC. So it wasn’t exactly like losing to a team with 0 talent who shouldn’t have been in the tournament.
Bucknell beat an over seeded Kansas team, I’ll give you that. They started the season 20-0, I think, but then lost 6 out of 9 games. People said it was because he was playing with Roy’s players but I think they just weren’t all there down the stretch. He lost that team and it’s arguably the only time that’s happened in his time at KU.
Bradley upset a 4 seed Kansas team. They were like 10-6 at one point and then won 15 out of 16, maybe? All freshman and sophomores. Bad loss for sure but they weren’t expected to go past the S16. And that Bradley team sent two guys to the NBA as well, I think. Another team that wasn’t completely devoid of talent.
Northern Iowa sucked. Worst lost in the Self era, IMO. Complete choke. No excuse.
He mentioned VCU. It was the 3rd word in his post. Choke job though. 2nd worst loss in the Self era.
I don’t know, when you’re seeded as highly as Kansas has been for as long as they have been you’re gonna lose some games you shouldn’t. They should have more Final Fours in there but in addition to the 2 they’ve gone to under Self they also have 4 Elite Eights. That’s not very bad. But to clarify, I am one of those KU fans who believes they underachieve more than they overachieve but I think your opinion is kind of silly and was made up by somebody who hasn’t really looked too closely at their March resume. But I get it. You’re a smart guy who writes well and likes to argue. I just don’t think you’ve done anymore research on this then you’ve needed to in order to come in here and make it sound like you know what you’re talking about.
Also, did you know that in the Bill Self era Kansas is ranked 5th in the Big 12 in foul disparity and free throw shooting disparity? You would think that they’d be higher if they got all of the calls, and you’d really expect their FT disparity to be ranked much higher since they’re usually leading games in the closing minutes when the losing team has to start fouling.
I was hoping you'd edit the original post Doogie.
Offensive fouls don't count towards the team foul count. The only thing those offensive fouls on Doke would have counted towards is his own foul count. Still huge but don't effect team foul count and in-turn FT count which is what everyone is hung up on.
Just trying to rationalize it all. Can you tell me why Kentucky fans argue with fans of other schools when they say that Cal is a cheater? I mean.... because he is, ya know? Two vacated seasons counts for something.
What???? Is this real life?
I know offensive fouls dont result in direct ft's, but they dont count toward the team foul count???
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They don't in the NBA but they at least used to in NCAA, assuming it was changed recently
Dude this us all enjoyable. Tough loss and I have sympathy. I'd be pissed like you too about the foul count.
I remember having a quick judgement in 2016 when WVU shot 47 FTs to KU's 21. Then I realized the reason for the discrepancy was because Self had KU start fouling with 5 minutes left in the game to go along with WVU being considerably more aggressive. Yeah there are a lot of missed calls but many times we get hung up on the numbers or 1 or 2 calls.
You have been fair and honest in this thread, unlike some of your breathen in here. I salute you for being straight up. Hard to find that quality any more.
I could be completely wrong but I don't remember offensive fouls ever counting as team fouls. Offensive fouls are never to result in FTs. Only result in loss of possession. This is how they get around if a team is in the bonus and commits an offensive foul it doesn't lead to FTs.
Ok... you screwed with my head for a second, but you're wrong.
Offensive fouls absolutely count toward the team foul count.
Good Lord.... now I know KU fans are delusional.
I played college basketball for a year, and you still had me doubting myself.
Haha yeah you're right. I feel dumb. Just only if it's over the limit doesn't lead to FTs. Was reading the regular rule book for basketball and didn't read the difference in the rule between the NBA and NCAA. Yeah that would have been 2-3 more fouls on KU if they called the offensive fouls on Doke.
I feel dumb for letting you be dumb enough to make me doubt myself for a minute.... no offense. lol
I was ready to never post on this board again if I was wrong about that.
It was more than 2-3.... and that's just one that one player.
I'm telling you now. WVU got screwed more than you are willing to admit. It was very, very bad.
Not saying we didnt foul a lot, but we got fouled a lot too. Not only should we have been in the bonus early in both halves.... your big man should have been out of the game.
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You keep saying I "think" things. The content of my posts has never made mention of me "thinking" anything was "legit". You either don't understand the words you're using or you're spinning a narrative. You keep trying to establish this strawman so you can set it on fire to make yourself feel better.
What you don't seem to understand is most of us probably agree with you. You just keep being a huge douche about it so we keep baiting you. Well, I keep baiting you. I won't speak for others.
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At times I feel like I'm being baited.
Then I'm told by a KU fan that offensive fouls don't count toward the team foul count. So at this point I'm not sure who/what I'm dealing with in this thread.
You've been on tilt for like two days man. You aren't doing yourself any favors hanging around here...
At least I know the rules of college basketball...
Have that going for me. Can't say that for all KU fans.
I saw this post on wvu message board and I also watched the game again to see how bad it was and what this guys seen was spot.
"So I did what Huggins told me to do went and watched the tape in detail...slow motion...and again...and again The tape doesn't lie.
The officials were not consistent with their calls in the second half. Contact on one end was not called...while contact on the other end was. We missed some open shots. We ran "delay" 6 times...with two of those being within the flow of the game heading up to the 8:00 timeout. One one we ended up with a 3 by Dax.
The back to back calls of no foul when getting it into Sags for a turnaround jump hook...and then a phantom call on Esa when he ends up with a blow to the face was egregious. Terrible...considering what had been called on the other end. (ex. Their guy taking a dive with West touching him as he set a moving screen...and a touch of the armpit by Routt when their guy is making an off balance shot.
Perhaps the most insane by Luckie was the call of a "on the floor" foul on Dax on the rebound that made it a 1and1 when Dax is obviously trying to put back a rebound.
Then you have Esa and Javon on back to back drives to the hole...I thought from listening to everyone that we didn't go to the hole...but we did!!!...get sent to the floor...specifically Javon getting hit "low"...where they called us on that with two in the second half...one where Sags is just standing behind the guy as he misses a bunny rebound...
Just enough to make you puke.
We can all think about what we saw...but Huggs is right. The game was not called the same way on both ends of the floor...and it cost us a chance to win.
We actually had some good shots that didn't fall...rimmed out...etc...but the shots where we took it to the hole and tried to go inside...the whistles never came. Actually...two did...for the knowledgeable Kansas fans...one with Carter and one with Sags at the beginning of second half...but the last 8 minutes there were no whistles on that end. None!
The no call on Sags getting fouled (Luckie's call...right in front of him) followed by the Higgins call from the wing on Esa going for the rebound and getting "incidental contact" to the face was criminal.
Interesting how one is "incidental contact"...but we are going to put their guy on the line to go up 68-66 on a call 48 feet from their basket on a rebound....where our guy ends up bleeding from a fist to the face.
Wow.
Yea...Huggs...I watched the tape and you were right.
All those others that want to say something else...go watch the tape...then talk.
Criminal"
"So I did what Huggins told me to do went and watched the tape in detail...slow motion...and again...and again The tape doesn't lie.
The officials were not consistent with their calls in the second half. Contact on one end was not called...while contact on the other end was. We missed some open shots. We ran "delay" 6 times...with two of those being within the flow of the game heading up to the 8:00 timeout. One one we ended up with a 3 by Dax.
The back to back calls of no foul when getting it into Sags for a turnaround jump hook...and then a phantom call on Esa when he ends up with a blow to the face was egregious. Terrible...considering what had been called on the other end. (ex. Their guy taking a dive with West touching him as he set a moving screen...and a touch of the armpit by Routt when their guy is making an off balance shot.
Perhaps the most insane by Luckie was the call of a "on the floor" foul on Dax on the rebound that made it a 1and1 when Dax is obviously trying to put back a rebound.
Then you have Esa and Javon on back to back drives to the hole...I thought from listening to everyone that we didn't go to the hole...but we did!!!...get sent to the floor...specifically Javon getting hit "low"...where they called us on that with two in the second half...one where Sags is just standing behind the guy as he misses a bunny rebound...
Just enough to make you puke.
We can all think about what we saw...but Huggs is right. The game was not called the same way on both ends of the floor...and it cost us a chance to win.
We actually had some good shots that didn't fall...rimmed out...etc...but the shots where we took it to the hole and tried to go inside...the whistles never came. Actually...two did...for the knowledgeable Kansas fans...one with Carter and one with Sags at the beginning of second half...but the last 8 minutes there were no whistles on that end. None!
The no call on Sags getting fouled (Luckie's call...right in front of him) followed by the Higgins call from the wing on Esa going for the rebound and getting "incidental contact" to the face was criminal.
Interesting how one is "incidental contact"...but we are going to put their guy on the line to go up 68-66 on a call 48 feet from their basket on a rebound....where our guy ends up bleeding from a fist to the face.
Wow.
Yea...Huggs...I watched the tape and you were right.
All those others that want to say something else...go watch the tape...then talk.
Criminal"
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