If I'm Bob Huggins....

[KyFaninNC]

I really dont get why some think the officials are not "fair". I know a lot of these guys. I've never, not once felt any of these dudes showed any bias. Sure all officials are prone to being "influenced" by the home crowd. But hell even Huggins said he didn't think that was the case. I mean it seems like everytime we are having this discussion: Officials neing biased, or not fair. Well if that is the case, who are the officials fair with, and not biased against? It seems as if some of feel they are biased/not fair every game. If that is the case, then how does anybody ever win a game?

Officials have bad games. It happens. And when it does, ESPN makes sure to show a call, or calls, over nad over and over, and over. Write articles about it. Officiaitng isn't really any worse than it was 15 years ago. It just has more exposure now.

Example here with the OSU/UM game. A foul was called. They showed that play four times. Why? Is it that important? Why not show the good calls, four times?

Social media and technology have been the main reason officiaiting gets the scrunity it does. It's more visible today than it ever was. Back in the day Bert, you/we didn't have super-duper slow mo, with 18 different camera angles, on a 72" HD tv. Today we do. And that has played a huge role.

With that being said, there have been some ridiculously bad officiated games. And a ton of inconsistency. But no more today than there was 10-15 years ago. Biggest difference? Today those calls are more visible.

You are a good poster, and I enjoy reading your posts, but you missed it big time with this post. I understand that you are covering guys in your profession. I watch a ton of college basketball, and you are far from the truth here. Just look up some stats for Technicals given to certain coaches by certain refs, you will see a pattern emerge. Higgins is awful. He clearly has an agenda. I do not think refs have an agenda for schools, but they do against certain coaches. My point is this, if you can not do your job and be fair about it, you should quit. Officiating is a professional job, act like it or get out.

 

[doogie503]

Fine, inbred. But tell me, how did you expect all these FTs to materialize if not by fouls in the act of shooting, considering they weren't in the bonus until late?

Are you unable to understand what I'm saying?

Maybe if ku was called for half the fouls they actually commit we would be in the fvcking bonus. Azabuike had about 8 blatant pushoffs in that game... on both ends of the floor. We get held on basically every cut and dive to the basket.

It's not only about the players with the ball in their hands.

Jesus Christ... it's not that hard to understand

 

[doogie503]

Dude, we've been telling you for over 24 hours, your boys don't drive to initiate contact at the rim. WHY?!!
Why not let Konate and Co. go at it?!

And it's not a Last Night Problem, obviously.

I don't know why. But like I've been trying to tell you guys for 24+ hrs... i'm not just talking about on ball fouls.

Forget the fact miles got no call when being hammered on multiple drives to the basket. We should've been in the bonus in both halves off Azabuike push offs alone.

I posted a video of Konate getting his 3rd foul just for turning and posting up. Your big man puts two hands on a guys back and throws him across the floor and gets no call.

Fouls:





No fouls:





It's your home floor and it's kansas. I expect you to get a goodwhistle. But you were in the double bonus before we even sniffed the bonus. 35 fts to 2 is just stupid.

 

[npreston]

35-2

No way you KU fans can defend this. WV fouls and they foul a lot, and do not get called for most of them. On that we agree, but 35-2 is not defensible. I hope the Big 12 officials are happy, the whole country is now laughing at what a joke they are, for allowing this to keep happening.

Again, two top Division one teams playing a highly contested game, one shoots 35 FT, and the other shoots 2. That is called getting hosed. Period. You KU posters are sounding a lot like the UNCheats, making excuses and deny, deflect ,excuse.

Rent fvckin free.

 

[doogie503]

Ok I'm done now...RollLaugh

 

[viviajm]

I would've gotten thrown out 15 times.

I don't care if they did foul that many times. There is absolutely NO way possible that the ft difference should be 35 to 2. I was shocked to see that number. Sounds like a hose job to me. Didn't watch though.

Well you should have watched. WVU did not pound the ball inside. Which is ridiculous. They had a size advantage. They shot from the outside and didn't penetrate. The disparity is in foul shots taken and not in fouls called. WVU fouled penetrating shooters. KU didn't foul 3 point shooters. WVU can cry all they want, but in the last three games against KU they have blown late large second have leads late in the game.. Either give credit to KU if you like them or criticize WVU coaches for poor handling of the team in the closing minutes. But watch the game before assuming.

 

[ThroughBlue]

Making a mistake isn't the same thing as allowing for fouls and you know it.

I take it you haven’t watched many Higgins’ reffed games

 

[viviajm]

I wanted to post this BEFORE I responded:

Yiou are without a doubt, one of my favorite posters. I love your takes., And your knowledge.

I agree WVU should've shot more FT's. Probably 10 or more. WOuld it have made a difference? Maybe. IDK. But the disparity, though huge, has SOME merit to it. The shot chart shows that. Also, if we are being honest, WVU could've been and probably should've been called for than the 22 fouls they were whistled for. So it kinda of works both ways. In a nutshell, Kansas was a ton more aggresive offensively, thus got more shooting fouls called.

Good luck the rest of the year. Huggins is one of favorite coaches ever.

Huggins has always built his teams on being as rough as they could get away with. They understood this in the old MO Valley. It has taken a few years for the Big 12 teams to adjust to this style have adapted defenses to offset the harassing physical style of WVU. Boo hoo to Huggins if he can't get his team to close out a game when they have large 2nd half leads.

 

[IZAC]

We're still doing this? The facts have been laid out. Time for people to move on.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Are you unable to understand what I'm saying?

Maybe if ku was called for half the fouls they actually commit we would be in the fvcking bonus. Azabuike had about 8 blatant pushoffs in that game... on both ends of the floor. We get held on basically every cut and dive to the basket.

It's not only about the players with the ball in their hands.

Jesus Christ... it's not that hard to understand

You're right, it isn't. It's also not hard to understand that the foul disparity was right in line with their freaking average. KU got about the same number of whistles for and against as every damn team you play on the road, yet you're making it sound like they never got whistled. And posting a couple vids of pushoffs doesn't convince anyone that you're right. I could dig up a couple no-calls too. I guarantee the no-call on Svi was more blatant than any of these pushoffs.

Bottom line is..weak sauce and sour grapes. Again, you weren't even complaining about the refs until after the game ended. Why? Likely because you didn't notice any of these supposedly obvious fouls at the time and only formed the idea AFTER seeing the free throw total and reading the rants of a bunch of clearly impartial WV goons on Twitter.

 

[ExitFlagger]

One question....how has KU lost more home games than road games this year if they "get away with murder" at home?

Hell, if not for Self's reluctance to take out Azubuike in Norman, they'd only have one road loss on the year.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Rent fvckin free.

In your fvckin dreams. Kansas is nothing to me, altho I like Bill Self.

 

[KyFaninNC]

We're still doing this? The facts have been laid out. Time for people to move on.

Agreed. 35-2 It is there and always be there.

 

[npreston]

In your fvckin dreams. Kansas is nothing to me, altho I like Bill Self.

For being “nothing,” you sure do have an opinion on us. Posting multiple times in a thread that has nothing to do with you, says otherwise.

Of course you like BIll Self, he’s an alpha.

 

[BobbyBoucheer]

Never seen such blatant non calls on one end only to be called on the other........

Kansas don't foul man...........always play on........


Don't get me wrong, I'd be grinning like a mofo if the rolls were reversed..........trolling like a mofo too.....

 

[toonces11]

I dont fault huggins for bringing it up or getting tossed. The only thing I'm embarrassed for him about is the size of his dockers and how he had to hold them up whenever he moved more than 2 inches

 

[BobbyBoucheer]

I dont fault huggins for bringing it up or getting tossed. The only thing I'm embarrassed for him about is the size of his dockers and how he had to hold them up whenever he moved more than 2 inches

Yeah, that was a bad look............hard to be a badass and get your rage on while holding your damn pants up...........It made me say..............goddamnit Bob.

 

[toonces11]

Yeah, that was a bad look............hard to be a badass and get your rage on while holding your damn pants up...........It made me say..............goddamnit Bob.

I bet he and Self still met up in his office and drained some bourbon and talked about how much they hate sh*thead players that don't do a third of what you ask them to.

 

[Mgkcbb]

Imagine being such a braindead slappy that you are willing to die on the 35 free throws to 2 hill, as if thats defensible in any way.

Just laughable how stupid message board posters are.

"35-2 our guys hurr durr drived and your guys hurr durr didnt."

Gmafb just lol at anyone dumb enough to waste energy typing up such a stupid post and then passing it off as some legitimate basketball discussion as if it isnt a complete waste of all of our time reading something so incredibly stupid.

 

[KyFaninNC]

For being “nothing,” you sure do have an opinion on us. Posting multiple times in a thread that has nothing to do with you, says otherwise.

Of course you like BIll Self, he’s an alpha.

I have no dog in this fight other than a fan of college basketball that hates seeing a game called that one sided. I didn’t care who won or who lost. So don’t give yourself that much credit. You ain’t all that,in fact you are nothing more than a nuisance. I have no idea whether Self is an alpha or a pussy, I just like how he coaches.

 

[IZAC]

Imagine being such a braindead slappy that you are willing to die on the 35 free throws to 2 hill, as if thats defensible in any way.

Just laughable how stupid message board posters are.

"35-2 our guys hurr durr drived and your guys hurr durr didnt."

Gmafb just lol at anyone dumb enough to waste energy typing up such a stupid post and then passing it off as some legitimate basketball discussion as if it isnt a complete waste of all of our time reading something so incredibly stupid.

This is a poorly constructed strawman. Just terrible.

 

[Pospecteer]

You're right. And they drew 14. They average 17. Ohhh my God! Outrage!

Btw, it's humorous that Jay Bilas isn't credible, yet you continue to quote the losing coach (who probably would have flunked out of Duke after a semester).

He was an academic AA and accepted into an Ivy League PT school after college, but I see your point, Duke would have been too tough for him.

 

[npreston]

I have no dog in this fight other than a fan of college basketball that hates seeing a game called that one sided. I didn’t care who won or who lost. So don’t give yourself that much credit. You ain’t all that,in fact you are nothing more than a nuisance. I have no idea whether Self is an alpha or a pussy, I just like how he coaches.

Laughing

Definitely living rent free in LFK.

 

[KyFaninNC]

I dont fault huggins for bringing it up or getting tossed. The only thing I'm embarrassed for him about is the size of his dockers and how he had to hold them up whenever he moved more than 2 inches

That’s funny right there. RollLaugh

 

[KyFaninNC]

Neverreadsimuchgobblygookinmylifetheidocyofsimepeoplemskesmeundetstandwhyourcountryisso****edup

 

[ExitFlagger]

He was an academic AA and accepted into an Ivy League PT school after college, but I see your point, Duke would have been too tough for him.

Yeah, somebody already pointed that out. Didn't realize that. He definitely isn't as well-spoken as Bilas.

 

[ExitFlagger]

Neverreadsimuchgobblygookinmylifetheidocyofsimepeoplemskesmeundetstandwhyourcountryisso****edup

If only the rest of the country modeled itself after Kentucky and West Virginia.RollLaugh

 

[GoHawks85]

Kansas apparently paid the refs.

That is cheating pure and simple. West Virginia fouls, but that differential is not right.

Of course we paid them, we always pay them !!. The difference with blue bloods, is that we pay them a LOT and they know we'll pay them again next year. You guys... not so much.

#suckstobeyou

 

[Turinturumbar]

Jay Bilas, when it comes to officiating, is the dumbest dude behind a mic. He has zero understanding. Knowledge of the game is great. But his takes on the officiating is just brutal.

I think all of his takes were accurate. But his problem is his one-sidedness. He called out bad calls when they went against Kansas, but other than the last Doke block, he didn't really call out the ones that were favorable to Kansas. Bilas tends to favor the blue bloods.

On the flip side though, when Fran calls our games, he'll call out every single time that KU gets away with one, but on the other end when the other team mugs our players or a bad call favors our opponent, he is always conveniently quiet.

So I think it's just that these guys tend to have their biases and it affects how they view calls.

I personally though think that most of then should be more lenient on officials in general though. It's one thing to call out a bad call, but officiating is a tough job, and ever official misses calls every game. Sometimes the overall misses are going to favor one team over another, that's the way it is. I don't think that any of it has to do with any kind of conspiracy of officials favoring one team over another though. One could say that sometimes refs allow an environment to affect a call, but I think that's part of human nature.

 

[RockChalkRally]

I don't know why. But like I've been trying to tell you guys for 24+ hrs... i'm not just talking about on ball fouls.

Forget the fact miles got no call when being hammered on multiple drives to the basket. We should've been in the bonus in both halves off Azabuike push offs alone.

I posted a video of Konate getting his 3rd foul just for turning and posting up. Your big man puts two hands on a guys back and throws him across the floor and gets no call.

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It's your home floor and it's kansas. I expect you to get a goodwhistle. But you were in the double bonus before we even sniffed the bonus. 35 fts to 2 is just stupid.

No, what you want all the sudden are robot officials who aren't going to miss a single call all game long. The 35-2 FT disparity is not good and no, there's no good way to argue against it. First you told everyone you were drunk and just rambling on. Hours later you come back and continue to post the same thing over and over again. Then you said you were done and weren't bringing it up again and yet here we all are going round and round over the same thing. Go ahead and keep posting video clips. Just like you I've watched the game several times over and I picked up on a mountain of sh*t the officials missed on WVU. I stopped giving a damn whether the fouls were called away from the ball, on the ball or on the shot and most of the missed calls against WVU weren't touch fouls either.

I actually hope if KU and WVU meet up again in the Big 12 Tournament that the officials get the players and coaches together and explain to them that they are left with no other choice but to call every single solitary piece of contact whether its a touch foul or a flagrant 2. I hope to god they call everything under the sun and both teams are there for hours and hours until everyone fouls out or until time run out with just enough players left to legally finish the basketball game. Knowing KU's overall personality this season, they may very well lose their 1st Big 12 Tournament game and not have the chance to face WVU a 3rd time.

Once again, KU has lost 3 games in AFH and another one at the Sprint Center this year. This whole KU gets all the calls bullsh*t goes completely out the window because there are 4 teams (Arizona State, Washington, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State) all have convincing wins on KU's home floor.

 

[RockChalkRally]

Yeah, that was a bad look............hard to be a badass and get your rage on while holding your damn pants up...........It made me say..............goddamnit Bob.

Gotta admit....that's f**king hilarious!! Even when I don't watch those clips of Huggie doing that with his pants the image is forever burned into my brain.

 

[Turinturumbar]

35-2? That's pretty damn absurd.

Well to be fair, 7 or 8 of KU's FTs were intentional FTs at the end of the game. There were several more as a result of Hack-a-Doke, where they kind of intentionally hacked at Doke instead of allowing him to get an easy dunk. It's no coincidence that our FTs per game have gone up since the Oklahoma game. Unfortunately it didn't work for them, as he hit 7-10.

But that would bring the normal in the flow of the game free throws closer to probably 22-25 or in that range.

On the flipside, WVU was called for a lane violation on one of their free throw opportunities. If they don't enter the lane early, they have 3 or 4 FTs depending on if he makes the first one.

Still a big disparity, but 25-3 or 22-4 looks a lot better than 35-2.

 

[Cat_Incognito]

suckstobeyou

Not really. The reg season preferential treatment just exposes you guys in March when the midmajors come knocking.

#itactuallysuckstobeyou

 

[doogie503]

Well to be fair, 7 or 8 of KU's FTs were intentional FTs at the end of the game. There were several more as a result of Hack-a-Doke, where they kind of intentionally hacked at Doke instead of allowing him to get an easy dunk. It's no coincidence that our FTs per game have gone up since the Oklahoma game. Unfortunately it didn't work for them, as he hit 7-10.

But that would bring the normal in the flow of the game free throws closer to probably 22-25 or in that range.

On the flipside, WVU was called for a lane violation on one of their free throw opportunities. If they don't enter the lane early, they have 3 or 4 FTs depending on if he makes the first one.

Still a big disparity, but 25-3 or 22-4 looks a lot better than 35-2.

No. We never did the hack a doke... not even once. There were 4 fts from intentional fouls at the very end. And 2 from huggs tech. Free throws were 29-2 before that.

 

[RockChalkRally]

I was just drunk at first. Then I kept thinking about 35-2 the next day and kept getting more pissed. Now I'm just repeating myself because im replying to ku fans who keep saying the same things to me while somehow trying to defend a 35-2 free throw disparity.

I'm moving on now. Hope we see ku again in kc.

First off with the FT disparity, most of us agreed with you and most KU fans you talked to Saturday night were included as well. Secondly I'd be hacked too if the shoe was on the other foot because it is a lopsided stat.

 

[doogie503]

No, what you want all the sudden are robot officials who aren't going to miss a single call all game long. The 35-2 FT disparity is not good and no, there's no good way to argue against it. First you told everyone you were drunk and just rambling on. Hours later you come back and continue to post the same thing over and over again. Then you said you were done and weren't bringing it up again and yet here we all are going round and round over the same thing. Go ahead and keep posting video clips. Just like you I've watched the game several times over and I picked up on a mountain of sh*t the officials missed on WVU. I stopped giving a damn whether the fouls were called away from the ball, on the ball or on the shot and most of the missed calls against WVU weren't touch fouls either.

I actually hope if KU and WVU meet up again in the Big 12 Tournament that the officials get the players and coaches together and explain to them that they are left with no other choice but to call every single solitary piece of contact whether its a touch foul or a flagrant 2. I hope to god they call everything under the sun and both teams are there for hours and hours until everyone fouls out or until time run out with just enough players left to legally finish the basketball game. Knowing KU's overall personality this season, they may very well lose their 1st Big 12 Tournament game and not have the chance to face WVU a 3rd time.

Once again, KU has lost 3 games in AFH and another one at the Sprint Center this year. This whole KU gets all the calls bullsh*t goes completely out the window because there are 4 teams (Arizona State, Washington, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State) all have convincing wins on KU's home floor.

I want refs to protect cutters and guys playing off the ball like they do ball handlers. Its a big problem in college basketball.

I was just drunk at first. Then I kept thinking about 35-2 the next day and kept getting more pissed. Now I'm just repeating myself because im replying to ku fans who keep saying the same things to me while somehow trying to defend a 35-2 free throw disparity.

I'm moving on now. Hope we see ku again in kc.

 

[RockChalkRally]

I want refs to protect cutters and guys playing off the ball like they do ball handlers. Its a big problem in college basketball.

I was just drunk at first. Then I kept thinking about 35-2 the next day and kept getting more pissed. Now I'm just repeating myself because im replying to ku fans who keep saying the same things to me while somehow trying to defend a 35-2 free throw disparity.

I'm moving on now. Hope we see ku again in kc.

The issue with the cutters off the ball is that its a major problem is all of basketball. You're taught to front the cutter but as time has passes, most players and officials are honest to god watching the ball side more closely. Fronting the cutter away from the ball side has evolved into something much more physical. It's starting to resemble football when the corner literally jams the receiver at the line of scrimmage. Instead of moving your feet, it's turned into 2 hands on the offensive player away from the ball, bear hugs and body blows to keep the weak side player from being a factor. It's not just a February 17, 2018 West Virginia Mountaineers vs. Kansas Jayhawks issue. It's a big issue at all levels of basketball.

 

[Turinturumbar]

No. We never did the hack a doke... not even once. There were 4 fts from intentional fouls at the very end. And 2 from huggs tech. Free throws were 29-2 before that.

7 FTs. 2 by Graham at the 24 second mark. 3 for the foul/technical, then two more meaningless FTs for Graham with 5 seconds left. That's 7.

so that makes it 28-2. 28-4 if Miles doesn't have the lane violation, and 28-5 if Carter doesn't miss the front-end of his 1 and 1.

And I disagree with your take on Hack-a-Doke. Any time he turned to the basket, he had hands on him to prevent an easy dunk. You guys let him have his movement if he went to the hook shot, but if he turned towards the basket, he was getting hacked or held. And I don't really blame them, that's what teams have been doing lately. It seems to me at least that this is purposeful. And what coach in his right mind wouldn't tell his players to foul Doke hard if he's got a layup or dunk opportunity? Huggins is a smart coach, so I seriously doubt he hasn't told his players to do this. Hell, even on two of the lobs, Doke was pushed out of position, rather than giving him the easy bucket. It's sensible to sacrifice a foul in that situation when you've got a chance to put a 40% FT shooter to the line. So yeah, I'm going to say that probably 4 or 5 of Doke's FTs(at least) were due to strategy.

 

[Turinturumbar]

Not really. The reg season preferential treatment just exposes you guys in March when the midmajors come knocking.

#itactuallysuckstobeyou

How? The VCU game is the only one where I can remember being upset with the officiating. KU lost to Villanova because they were the best team in the country and were criminally underseeded as a 2. KU lost to Oregon, because they hit something like 14 out of 15 shots at one stretch, including a couple of banked threes. It was too much to overcome. Lucky shooting. Sometimes the luck goes against you. KU lost to Stanford, because Embiid was out with an injury. Have you had a chance to see what Embiid is doing in the NBA? He's a stud. Without him, we went from a legit top 10 team, to a pedestrian team that would have struggled to finish in the top half of the Big XII. We lost to Wichita State, because they were again, way underseeded, and had nothing to lose. Michigan? Burke went off and hit some insane shots at the end. Got caught by the shit luck again there. But none of them had anything to do with officiating. It's mostly been shit luck and bad seeding by the tourney. Not officiating. I have no complaints about the officiating in the tourney.

 

[Turinturumbar]

I have no dog in this fight other than a fan of college basketball that hates seeing a game called that one sided. I didn’t care who won or who lost. So don’t give yourself that much credit. You ain’t all that,in fact you are nothing more than a nuisance. I have no idea whether Self is an alpha or a pussy, I just like how he coaches.

Do you really have no dog in this fight? It's no coincidence that UK fans are always over here on every thread complaining about the officiating "favoring Kansas".

When you guys played in AFH a few years ago, KU got a favorable whistle. I have no problems admitting to that one. You guys got jobbed. But ever since then, Kentucky fans are in every single one of these threads complaining about KU getting a favorable call. IDK, maybe that game doesn't influence you here. But I doubt it doesn't influence all of the other UK fans that always chime in on these threads.