If Anyone but Trump Were Elected POTUS

[toonces11]

You still won't, because it's a choice. You just aren't willing to try for yourself. I can't help you if you won't even try.
1, 2, and 3.

I'm not surprised that 2 of the 3 articles you linked read like progressive, one sided, biased, propaganda. None of the articles remotely address what we are talking about.

1-basically blames the system and dismisses the role of each individual. Says nothing about efforts being made to combat a culture of absentee fathers, teen pregnancy, broken homes, toxic family life
2-The second is an article blaming white people for thinking that AA population could be doing much more to succeed than they are. Again, doesn't mention anything about a much to eliminate a culture of absentee fathers, teen pregnancy, broken homes, toxic family life.
3-Might be the most relevant of the three b/c it contains info that seems credible on the job market for AA/latinos. It gives us a breakdown of numbers---but it doesn't tell the whole story b/c it lacks key info---what people majored in, what skill sets they have, what fields are they trying to work in. Doesn't mention anything about a culture of absentee fathers, teen pregnancy, broken homes, toxic family life contributing to anything. Doesn't mention that Caucasian and Asian family culture promote a healthy environment for kids to succeed and likely why they are at the top of the financial food chain.

Its obviously such a huge factor....yet its constantly brushed aside and dismissed......readily placing blame and demanding action from others---all the while doing little to nothing to attack the root of the problem.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

This is a pretty long video. I have only watched a couple of segments. The first 5 minutes are what I would like some opinions on from the liberals here. They address a lot of topics involving race issues, I keep saying I will watch the whole thing. But I probably never will.



Here is a shorter clip from the interview. Still fairly long.

 

[dukedevilz]

Doesn't mention that Caucasian and Asian family culture promote a healthy environment for kids to succeed and likely why they are at the top of the financial food chain.

Its obviously such a huge factor....yet its constantly brushed aside and dismissed......readily placing blame and demanding action from others---all the while doing little to nothing to attack the root of the problem.

When liberals discuss disparities between races, why is it that they never mention Asians? Suddenly you have a minority group that has strong family ties, excels in the academic arena, has low drug/crime rates. Okay, great. They must be an anomaly to our racist laws (not really), so let's omit their data. If we want to succeed in reforming this impoverished community, wouldn't we be wise to follow someone who's already been there? The African-American community would do well to follow the model of Asian-American community. Valuing two parent homes and education is the only thing that is going to eradicate this broken system. Government intervention can only do so much; money itself doesn't wholly fix things (and certainly I don't think it's economically feasible, either). Individuals and families can and should be much more accountable than any sort of bureaucratic policy.

 

[toonces11]

When liberals discuss disparities between races, why is it that they never mention Asians? Suddenly you have a minority group that has strong family ties, excels in the academic arena, has low drug/crime rates. Okay, great. They must be an anomaly to our racist laws (not really), so let's omit their data. If we want to succeed in reforming this impoverished community, wouldn't we be wise to follow someone who's already been there? The African-American community would do well to follow the model of Asian-American community. Valuing two parent homes and education is the only thing that is going to eradicate this broken system. Government intervention can only do so much; money itself doesn't wholly fix things (and certainly I don't think it's economically feasible, either). Individuals and families can and should be much more accountable than any sort of bureaucratic policy.

Also, putting a strong emphasis on education doesn't mean big fancy schools with high tech computer labs and expensive tuition. It means reading to your kid every night. It means taking them to the library. It means teaching them to count, the alphabet, animal sounds. Basically it means being present and caring enough that these building blocks aren't neglected. It happens all the time across all races because people cant even meet the bare minimum of being responsible parents. If you have a family--it should always be the number one priority and in some cultures---it doesn't appear to crack the top ten. Its going to take an entire motivated generation to set a new standard. People do it all the time. Hell, Im actively creating a family life better than the one I had---b/c nobody is perfect. You take the positives and keep them, and do everything in your power to change the negatives of your childhood into positive ones for your kids. If you live in an area where all these negatives put up roadblocks...get out. Move to small town areas. Get out of your comfort zone to create an environment you and your family can survive in.

 

[dukedevilz]

Also, putting a strong emphasis on education doesn't mean big fancy schools with high tech computer labs and expensive tuition. It means reading to your kid every night. It means taking them to the library. It means teaching them to count, the alphabet, animal sounds. Basically it means being present and caring enough that these building blocks aren't neglected. It happens all the time across all races because people cant even meet the bare minimum of being responsible parents. If you have a family--it should always be the number one priority and in some cultures---it doesn't appear to crack the top ten. Its going to take an entire motivated generation to set a new standard. People do it all the time. Hell, Im actively creating a family life better than the one I had---b/c nobody is perfect. You take the positives and keep them, and do everything in your power to change the negatives of your childhood into positive ones for your kids. If you live in an area where all these negatives put up roadblocks...get out. Move to small town areas. Get out of your comfort zone to create an environment you and your family can survive in.

Well said. Money can only do so much. It can never compensate for the negligence or failures in the home life. Kids need a support system, and that starts with the family. If they don't have it, they become very, very vulnerable to a host of negative influences.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Well said. Money can only do so much. It can never compensate for the negligence or failures in the home life. Kids need a support system, and that starts with the family. If they don't have it, they become very, very vulnerable to a host of negative influences.

Never underestimate the vetting process of nannies.

 

[brooky03]

When liberals discuss disparities between races, why is it that they never mention Asians? Suddenly you have a minority group that has strong family ties, excels in the academic arena, has low drug/crime rates. Okay, great. They must be an anomaly to our racist laws (not really), so let's omit their data. If we want to succeed in reforming this impoverished community, wouldn't we be wise to follow someone who's already been there? The African-American community would do well to follow the model of Asian-American community. Valuing two parent homes and education is the only thing that is going to eradicate this broken system. Government intervention can only do so much; money itself doesn't wholly fix things (and certainly I don't think it's economically feasible, either). Individuals and families can and should be much more accountable than any sort of bureaucratic policy.

Opportunity. Asian immigrants are relatively newer and usually have/had more opportunity afforded to them. They, predominately, didn't/don't come over poor and uneducated. The Asians immigrants who came over during the Gold Rush and built the railroads contributed minimally to the current Asian-American population. So this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. You can't just lump minorities together because their one commonality is simply being a minority. It's deeper than that.

The Hispanic population is also somewhat newer, but many come over poor and poorly educated from countries that just don't have their shit together at all. Being successful after illegally immigrating to the US because the alternatives were worse is obviously not the recipe for a successful middle-class life for you or your children, on the whole. It takes multiple generations to overcome that, usually. If you can manage to make it into the country legally, that means you will have more opportunity but also means you probably have considerably more financial resources. Legal immigration is expensive. Anyway, Hispanic culture is usually viewed as one that prioritizes family. The idea that family is the key to a marginalized group climbing up the social ranks is not supported when you examine the issues faced by Hispanic immigrants currently.

Comparatively, black Americans are descendants of slaves and/or ancestors who came to the country poor, uneducated, and with little opportunity available to them. Racial bias against black people is practically built into the foundation of the country. And the Civil Rights Movement was not THAT long ago. Many black families aren't more than 2 or 3 generations removed from government sanctioned racial inequality, and it's not like the Civil Rights Movement happened and then black people were treated like equals overnight. The inherent hurdles black Americans have to overcome are more prevalent than you are letting on. The familial deficiencies you highlighted as being a cause of their plight are also a symptom of their plight.

Being a poor person is hard. Being poor and brown is harder.

 

[BasketBallJunkie-UK]

Opportunity.

Being a poor person is hard. Being poor and brown is harder.

Being poor and brown is just an excuse if you don't try to better yourself and your community. There's opportunity for everyone. If its not seized who's fault is that? I've worked with many east Indians who were very poor. But that didn't stop them from learning skills and becoming successful. If you quit trying, you might as well load a gun, insert into mouth and pull the trigger.

There's no excuse for the black community infrastructure to continue to be as it is. It should be improving, but its not. Nothing comes easy. But changing one's self for the better is a personal choice.

 

[toonces11]

Opportunity. Asian immigrants are relatively newer and usually have/had more opportunity afforded to them. They, predominately, didn't/don't come over poor and uneducated. The Asians immigrants who came over during the Gold Rush and built the railroads contributed minimally to the current Asian-American population. So this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. You can't just lump minorities together because their one commonality is simply being a minority. It's deeper than that.

The Hispanic population is also somewhat newer, but many come over poor and poorly educated from countries that just don't have their shit together at all. Being successful after illegally immigrating to the US because the alternatives were worse is obviously not the recipe for a successful middle-class life for you or your children, on the whole. It takes multiple generations to overcome that, usually. If you can manage to make it into the country legally, that means you will have more opportunity but also means you probably have considerably more financial resources. Legal immigration is expensive. Anyway, Hispanic culture is usually viewed as one that prioritizes family. The idea that family is the key to a marginalized group climbing up the social ranks is not supported when you examine the issues faced by Hispanic immigrants currently.

Comparatively, black Americans are descendants of slaves and/or ancestors who came to the country poor, uneducated, and with little opportunity available to them. Racial bias against black people is practically built into the foundation of the country. And the Civil Rights Movement was not THAT long ago. Many black families aren't more than 2 or 3 generations removed from government sanctioned racial inequality, and it's not like the Civil Rights Movement happened and then black people were treated like equals overnight. The inherent hurdles black Americans have to overcome are more prevalent than you are letting on. The familial deficiencies you highlighted as being a cause of their plight are also a symptom of their plight.

Being a poor person is hard. Being poor and brown is harder.

Something tells me the entire asian and mexican population would disagree with your take.

 

[Mac9192]

Education and location. Hard to follow the money if you're not educated.

 

[Dattier]

I'm not sure what you rationale was. It's unfair for minorities because they have a harder time getting ID? I don't know. Honestly, if you don't have government ID, you're imposing a lot of grief upon yourself. You can walk down to your local DMV and pay $13 for ID. If you're lower income, you can even apply for a free ID card. And guess what? Black voter turnout was higher than white turnout, even in states with strict ID laws.

It was explained in that same thread, in multiple places.

 

[Dattier]

I'm not surprised that 2 of the 3 articles you linked read like progressive, one sided, biased, propaganda. None of the articles remotely address what we are talking about.

1-basically blames the system and dismisses the role of each individual. Says nothing about efforts being made to combat a culture of absentee fathers, teen pregnancy, broken homes, toxic family life
2-The second is an article blaming white people for thinking that AA population could be doing much more to succeed than they are. Again, doesn't mention anything about a much to eliminate a culture of absentee fathers, teen pregnancy, broken homes, toxic family life.
3-Might be the most relevant of the three b/c it contains info that seems credible on the job market for AA/latinos. It gives us a breakdown of numbers---but it doesn't tell the whole story b/c it lacks key info---what people majored in, what skill sets they have, what fields are they trying to work in. Doesn't mention anything about a culture of absentee fathers, teen pregnancy, broken homes, toxic family life contributing to anything. Doesn't mention that Caucasian and Asian family culture promote a healthy environment for kids to succeed and likely why they are at the top of the financial food chain.

Its obviously such a huge factor....yet its constantly brushed aside and dismissed......readily placing blame and demanding action from others---all the while doing little to nothing to attack the root of the problem.

I hate it when I'm right about negative things, but I am: You dismissed it all. The WaPo is completely credible, and it cites a man who worked inside Justice who concluded that it's the system. All we ever do is address the individual. It's all you ever do. It's all any conservative ever wants to do. And we do it, and nothing improves, and you are never willing to try anything else.

Forbes is also entirely credible. And the other link is a black person contesting what you claim based on your personal observations, which are entirely anecdotal.

 

[Dattier]

When liberals discuss disparities between races, why is it that they never mention Asians? Suddenly you have a minority group that has strong family ties, excels in the academic arena, has low drug/crime rates. Okay, great. They must be an anomaly to our racist laws (not really), so let's omit their data. If we want to succeed in reforming this impoverished community, wouldn't we be wise to follow someone who's already been there? The African-American community would do well to follow the model of Asian-American community. Valuing two parent homes and education is the only thing that is going to eradicate this broken system. Government intervention can only do so much; money itself doesn't wholly fix things (and certainly I don't think it's economically feasible, either). Individuals and families can and should be much more accountable than any sort of bureaucratic policy.

Almost all recent immigrants have better records of success than people whose descendants were slaves, then oppressed by law for another 100 years, and still oppressed today by systemic racism.

You're in that crowd who denies systemic racism exists, iirc, so when you talk about our "racist laws," it doesn't actually have anything to do w/ what I would mean by the same thing.

 

[toonces11]

I hate it when I'm right about negative things, but I am: You dismissed it all. The WaPo is completely credible, and it cites a man who worked inside Justice who concluded that it's the system. All we ever do is address the individual. It's all you ever do. It's all any conservative ever wants to do. And we do it, and nothing improves, and you are never willing to try anything else.

Forbes is also entirely credible. And the other link is a black person contesting what you claim based on your personal observations, which are entirely anecdotal.

You keep repeating all we do is address the individual. How so. What steps have been taken within these communities? What programs were set up by these communities to foster healthy family life. Are you saying they tried and failed to put the onus on the people and families involved and they couldn't get enough fathers to stay and support their families? They couldn't get teen girls to understand how detrimental it is to have unprotected sex and get pregnant? They couldn't convince families that living together and supporting each other thru jobs and family activity? You don't seem to have many answers. And if these simple steps cant be instituted, then what can you do for people that refuse to help themselves...cant force them can you? Who pays for this? Who is going to take care of these kids who have deadbeat parents---they don't deserve that kind of life.......if anybody at all needs an extending hand, its them. Not the offenders who will remain toxic. I think the thing you hate is that you want to prove its somebodies fault that never blames the people truly at fault. Its never just one thing---but when its a basic fundamental----it is a huge factor.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

No takers?

 

[toonces11]

No takers?

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Oh...he is just one of "those AA's" to progressives.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Oh...he is just one of "those AA's" to progressives.

Polls are typically meaningless and inaccurate. But they can be useful in the sense that they indicate trends. Trump won 8% of the black vote in 2016. Last year he had a 15% approval rating and yesterday it was released..

 

[toonces11]

Polls are typically meaningless and inaccurate. But they can be useful in the sense that they indicate trends. Trump won 8% of the black vote in 2016. Last year he had a 15% approval rating and yesterday it was released..

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The thing is.....the worst part of his presidency has everything to do with his mouth. Not policies. I have a feeling that although he has diarrhea of the mouth, his policies will actually help tremendously. The only problem will be the extreme people that will hate him irregardless of how the country is actually doing. Its a growing faction and they are screaming for policies that are irreversible and will make america dependent on gov't. I think the actual number of people that reject their platform is far greater---but never under estimate the power the progressive (totally inaccurate name) movement to get people to the voting booths. Turnout will decide the next pressident---not the number of people that actually like whats going on in the country. I don't even mind if he is one and done, as long as somebody that is a true moderate takes the reins.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

The thing is.....the worst part of his presidency has everything to do with his mouth. Not policies. I have a feeling that although he has diarrhea of the mouth, his policies will actually help tremendously. The only problem will be the extreme people that will hate him irregardless of how the country is actually doing. Its a growing faction and they are screaming for policies that are irreversible and will make america dependent on gov't. I think the actual number of people that reject their platform is far greater---but never under estimate the power the progressive (totally inaccurate name) movement to get people to the voting booths. Turnout will decide the next pressident---not the number of people that actually like whats going on in the country. I don't even mind if he is one and done, as long as somebody that is a true moderate takes the reins.

Absolutely. I am not trying to make Trump out to be a saint by no means. I just find these polls fascinating given the way he is portrayed by the media. And he is portrayed a certain way in many cases because, like you said, his mouth.

This particular poll goes against every narrative being pushed. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to pretend that 29% is some kind of earth shattering number. But since 1972 republicans have averaged 10% of the black vote. And this poll may or may not be indicative of what 2020 may bring with the black vote. But it is especially crazy seeing how this is hands down the most racist president of our lifetime according to some.

I think there is going to be a shift in voting habits. More and more black people are seeing that their loyalty to the democratic party has come up fruitless.

 

[toonces11]

Absolutely. I am not trying to make Trump out to be a saint by no means. I just find these polls fascinating given the way he is portrayed by the media. And he is portrayed a certain way in many cases because, like you said, his mouth.

This particular poll goes against every narrative being pushed. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to pretend that 29% is some kind of earth shattering number. But since 1972 republicans have averaged 10% of the black vote. And this poll may or may not be indicative of what 2020 may bring with the black vote. But it is especially crazy seeing how this is hands down the most racist president of our lifetime according to some.

I think there is going to be a shift in voting habits. More and more black people are seeing that their loyalty to the democratic party has come up fruitless.

We can hope---b/c the pandering for the AA and minority vote from the left is soo played out. I want it to be exposed---but in the same line of thinking, it has to be b/c of results, not reverse pandering. The political process is all ready ****king junior high stupid.

 

[Dattier]

What steps have been taken within these communities?

That's the thing: It takes place within these communities. You would have to be pretty contemptuous of people to assume the answer is nothing.

 

[toonces11]

That's the thing: It takes place within these communities. You would have to be pretty contemptuous of people to assume the answer is nothing.

So it’s bc you say so. We have blm blasted I our face. Why would the liberal controlled media not cover these actions and plaster them everywhere. That’s my question. Bc if it’s hapoening then this is actually something that needs to be publicized.

 

[Dattier]

So it’s bc you say so. We have blm blasted I our face. Why would the liberal controlled media not cover these actions and plaster them everywhere. That’s my question. Bc if it’s hapoening then this is actually something that needs to be publicized.

You're aware of BLM b/c they're in your face. If it's within the community, it's in homes and churches and community centers. What's the media going to do, watch basketball at the Y after school all week? Eavesdrop on conversations between neighbors? You're not there, either, so b/c you don't see it, it's not happening? Again, it's incredibly hateful and disrespectful to act as if "personal responsibility" is something people have never heard of.

 

[toonces11]

You're aware of BLM b/c they're in your face. If it's within the community, it's in homes and churches and community centers. What's the media going to do, watch basketball at the Y after school all week? Eavesdrop on conversations between neighbors? You're not there, either, so b/c you don't see it, it's not happening? Again, it's incredibly hateful and disrespectful to act as if "personal responsibility" is something people have never heard of.

Then how do you know. You often cite my experiences as anectodotal. What info are you going on? It’s obviously not results. Oftentimes the very words/mode you use to skewer those that disagree with you come full circle. If you honestly believe what you are saying....then you believe a the grand scale, the AA community does not possess the ability to foster normal family environments that could support successful children in a regular basis.

 

[Dattier]

Then how do you know.

I work in public schools. I live in a pretty working class part of town. I interact with people and their problems every day. Most of them are doing the best they can. I see how even in a progressive town there are systemic problems that play out along racial lines.

It’s obviously not results.

By whose measure? A standardized testing company? Nickel & diming people to death with turn signal infractions and profiling?

you believe a the grand scale, the AA community does not possess the ability to foster normal family environments that could support successful children...

System. Broken.

 

[toonces11]

I work in public schools. I live in a pretty working class part of town. I interact with people and their problems every day. Most of them are doing the best they can. I see how even in a progressive town there are systemic problems that play out along racial lines.


By whose measure? A standardized testing company? Nickel & diming people to death with turn signal infractions and profiling?


System. Broken.

Again. Your response is totally anecdotal. Nickel and diming with turn signal infractions? It’s starting to sound like a lot of the ill advised protests. Follow the law. Don’t expect to break it and not face consequences. You are a walking contradiction with your posts. Every example you’ve given is personal experience.....well so am I. My gripes can be fixed by the individual. You seem to think somebody needs to give them special treatment to perform everyday expectations. If you’d give posters around here the same latitude you give the AA community, there might not be any arguments.....but nothing would make sense.

 

[lkc1234]

Opportunity. Asian immigrants are relatively newer and usually have/had more opportunity afforded to them. They, predominately, didn't/don't come over poor and uneducated. The Asians immigrants who came over during the Gold Rush and built the railroads contributed minimally to the current Asian-American population. So this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. You can't just lump minorities together because their one commonality is simply being a minority. It's deeper than that.

The Hispanic population is also somewhat newer, but many come over poor and poorly educated from countries that just don't have their shit together at all. Being successful after illegally immigrating to the US because the alternatives were worse is obviously not the recipe for a successful middle-class life for you or your children, on the whole. It takes multiple generations to overcome that, usually. If you can manage to make it into the country legally, that means you will have more opportunity but also means you probably have considerably more financial resources. Legal immigration is expensive. Anyway, Hispanic culture is usually viewed as one that prioritizes family. The idea that family is the key to a marginalized group climbing up the social ranks is not supported when you examine the issues faced by Hispanic immigrants currently.

Comparatively, black Americans are descendants of slaves and/or ancestors who came to the country poor, uneducated, and with little opportunity available to them. Racial bias against black people is practically built into the foundation of the country. And the Civil Rights Movement was not THAT long ago. Many black families aren't more than 2 or 3 generations removed from government sanctioned racial inequality, and it's not like the Civil Rights Movement happened and then black people were treated like equals overnight. The inherent hurdles black Americans have to overcome are more prevalent than you are letting on. The familial deficiencies you highlighted as being a cause of their plight are also a symptom of their plight.

Being a poor person is hard. Being poor and brown is harder.

Opportunity. Asian immigrants are relatively newer and usually have/had more opportunity afforded to them. They, predominately, didn't/don't come over poor and uneducated. The Asians immigrants who came over during the Gold Rush and built the railroads contributed minimally to the current Asian-American population. So this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. You can't just lump minorities together because their one commonality is simply being a minority. It's deeper than that.

The Hispanic population is also somewhat newer, but many come over poor and poorly educated from countries that just don't have their shit together at all. Being successful after illegally immigrating to the US because the alternatives were worse is obviously not the recipe for a successful middle-class life for you or your children, on the whole. It takes multiple generations to overcome that, usually. If you can manage to make it into the country legally, that means you will have more opportunity but also means you probably have considerably more financial resources. Legal immigration is expensive. Anyway, Hispanic culture is usually viewed as one that prioritizes family. The idea that family is the key to a marginalized group climbing up the social ranks is not supported when you examine the issues faced by Hispanic immigrants currently.

Comparatively, black Americans are descendants of slaves and/or ancestors who came to the country poor, uneducated, and with little opportunity available to them. Racial bias against black people is practically built into the foundation of the country. And the Civil Rights Movement was not THAT long ago. Many black families aren't more than 2 or 3 generations removed from government sanctioned racial inequality, and it's not like the Civil Rights Movement happened and then black people were treated like equals overnight. The inherent hurdles black Americans have to overcome are more prevalent than you are letting on. The familial deficiencies you highlighted as being a cause of their plight are also a symptom of their plight.

Being a poor person is hard. Being poor and brown is harder.

Maybe blacks could learn a lesson from Clarence Thomas, current black Supreme Court justice. Here are some of his comments:

"My sadness is that we are probably today more race and difference-conscious than I was in the 1960s when I went to school," he told students. "To my knowledge, I was the first black kid in Savannah, Georgia, to go to a white [Catholic] school. Rarely did the issue of race come up. Now, name a day it doesn't come up. Differences in race, differences in sex, somebody doesn't look at you right, somebody says something. Everybody is sensitive. If I had been as sensitive as that in the 1960s, I'd still be in Savannah. Every person in this room has endured a slight. Every person."
Thomas has also consistently voted as a justice to eliminate affirmative action in college admission criteria, including a case from last term.
"Although cloaked in good intentions, the university's racial tinkering harms the very people it claims to be helping," said Thomas in a June decision limiting use of race at the University of Texas to achieve diversity in the student body.
Comments are familiar
CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin said Wednesday the justice's latest comments are familiar.
"This is very consistent with how he has expressed himself about race throughout his entire career," said Toobin. "Race is something to be overcome by individual initiative. Any problems you might have can be overcome by hard work and not collective action."

 

[Dattier]

Follow the law. Don’t expect to break it and not face consequences.

Laughing
If you aren't guilty, there's nothing to be afraid of?

 

[brooky03]

Maybe you should look at Clarence Thomas, current black Supreme Court Justice. He says blacks need to quit blaming society and past history and decide to

Maybe blacks could learn a lesson from Clarence Thomas, current black Supreme Court justice. Here are some of his comments:

"My sadness is that we are probably today more race and difference-conscious than I was in the 1960s when I went to school," he told students. "To my knowledge, I was the first black kid in Savannah, Georgia, to go to a white [Catholic] school. Rarely did the issue of race come up. Now, name a day it doesn't come up. Differences in race, differences in sex, somebody doesn't look at you right, somebody says something. Everybody is sensitive. If I had been as sensitive as that in the 1960s, I'd still be in Savannah. Every person in this room has endured a slight. Every person."
Thomas has also consistently voted as a justice to eliminate affirmative action in college admission criteria, including a case from last term.
"Although cloaked in good intentions, the university's racial tinkering harms the very people it claims to be helping," said Thomas in a June decision limiting use of race at the University of Texas to achieve diversity in the student body.
Comments are familiar
CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin said Wednesday the justice's latest comments are familiar.
"This is very consistent with how he has expressed himself about race throughout his entire career," said Toobin. "Race is something to be overcome by individual initiative. Any problems you might have can be overcome by hard work and not collective action."

Yes, just about anything can be overcome by hard work and individual initiative. That's missing the point, though. In the current environment, black people have to work harder to get to the same level of success as a white person from the same economic level. That's the point.

 

[lkc1234]

Yes, just about anything can be overcome by hard work and individual initiative. That's missing the point, though. In the current environment, black people have to work harder to get to the same level of success as a white person from the same economic level. That's the point.

Did that hold back Clarence Thomas? I am in Human Resources working for a Government contractor. We have quotas for minorities. We are required to hire and promote a certain percentage of minorities even though there are whites more qualified. So in many cases minorities have better opportunities than whites.

 

[brooky03]

Did that hold back Clarence Thomas?

Clarence Thomas is a successful black man. There are a lot of successful black men in the country. This doesn't prove any kind of point. Nobody has argued black people can't be successful.

I am in Human Resources working for a Government contractor. We have quotas for minorities. We are required to hire and promote a certain percentage of minorities even though there are whites more qualified. So in many cases minorities have better opportunities than whites.

Affirmative Action helps minorities. It doesn't make up for the opportunities that aren't available to them by virtue of their race, though. So, no, they don't have better opportunities than white people.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

I know you guys are saying Clarence Thomas. But I keep hearing Clarence Carter.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

I know you guys are saying Clarence Thomas. But I keep hearing Clarence Carter.

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Glad I'm not alone. Glad someone finally said it.

dang I'm experiences deja vu.

 

[IU_Btown_Chicago]

(either democrat or republican) what do you think the state of things would look like right now?

Kasich would have been the best President I think between all the parties.

 

[Dattier]

5. Blacks actually use drugs at a higher rate than whites. That is the primary reason why they are prosecuted at a higher rate. Check out the table below. In the past month, 11.3% blacks have used illicit drugs compared to 9.2% of whites. That may not seem like much when you look at the numbers side by side, but it's actually a 23% increase. That is significant.

Yesterday you were laughing at a mistake I made a month or so ago for which I immediately accepted correction for... but here you're citing illicit drug use over the past month to claim blacks use drugs more than whites? Laughing

You're using 30 days' worth of data when the same chart states whites are about 5% higher over the course of their lifetime. I'd call that "approximately the same," which is actually gracious of me, but you do all kinds of dishonest backflipping and spinning to make black people look worse.

If it's not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth*, it's a lie. You lied. The rest of your post is a bunch of weak, immature rationalization, but I'll be gracious again and just call you on the lying.

(*edit: It's different from being earnestly wrong, or being misinformed, or being mistaken. When you post the missing information in the very graphic you abused, it's a lie.)

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Duke seems to have a very fractured fan base.

 

[Dattier]

Again. Your response is totally anecdotal.

Actually, it involves my professional experience and expertise, and my community work. I will put my understanding of it up against yours any day.

Nickel and diming with turn signal infractions? It’s starting to sound like a lot of the ill advised protests. Follow the law. Don’t expect to break it and not face consequences.

It's called an allusion. Tell me some more about how following the law is the end-all, be-all of advice.

 

[SNU0821]

Almost all recent immigrants have better records of success than people whose descendants were slaves, then oppressed by law for another 100 years, and still oppressed today by systemic racism.

You're in that crowd who denies systemic racism exists, iirc, so when you talk about our "racist laws," it doesn't actually have anything to do w/ what I would mean by the same thing.

Still oppressed today by systemic racism? Sorry Datt, I’m going to need to see actual examples of racism holding down the AA population. Otherwise, your comment is nothing more than an excuse.

 

[SNU0821]

Laughing
If you aren't guilty, there's nothing to be afraid of?

That’s right. Nothing to fear. Be a good citizen. Follow the law. If confronted by police, do what they ask/say. You’ll be fine. End of story.

 

[JimboBBN]