If Anyone but Trump Were Elected POTUS

[KYtotheCore]

Thin skin “president”

I won't argue that he could choose his battles, but I'm just glad to hear Iran isn't threatening our warships anymore, and the Russians have decided to abandon the "reach out and touch our fighter jets" tactics. I like the fact that the U.S. isn't the wallflower at the dance anymore. Not sure where those countries got the bravery they did with that kind of nonsense, but they seemed to have found their senses again somehow.

Reminds me of that show The Swan a few years ago. We've had a makeover and shown our true potential again.

 

[anon_0astpxev9h4gk]

I won't argue that he could choose his battles, but I'm just glad to hear Iran isn't threatening our warships anymore, and the Russians have decided to abandon the "reach out and touch our fighter jets" tactics. I like the fact that the U.S. isn't the wallflower at the dance anymore. Not sure where those countries got the bravery they did with that kind of nonsense, but they seemed to have found their senses again somehow.

Reminds me of that show The Swan a few years ago. We've had a makeover and shown our true potential again.

Chastising some of our allies isn’t good.

 

[Dattier]

You’re right on Walter Scott to a point. BUT, had he not chosen to run from the cops he wouldn’t have been in that situation. Blame goes on both sides. Knowing that cops can use deadly force and it’s a judgement call, why not just do what the cops tell you to do? Personal responsibility.

No, blame goes to both sides when the blame is equal. If you take an extra item through the express lane and the person behind you beats you unconscious w/ a can of beans in the parking lot for it, we don't equivocate the two.

 

[Dattier]

I kept it anonymous as the questions you asked were what I thought they would be and they're not relevant.... I figured you would ask if he got the job too lol....

They absolutely are relevant. Some fields have always been more or less welcoming to people of color. And an all-white company might not attract many black applicants.

 

[SNU0821]

No, blame goes to both sides when the blame is equal. If you take an extra item through the express lane and the person behind you beats you unconscious w/ a can of beans in the parking lot for it, we don't equivocate the two.

But, that whole incident could be avoided had you not taken the extra can of beans. Blame doesn’t have to be 50/50, but it’s damn close.

 

[BasketBallJunkie-UK]

They absolutely are relevant. Some fields have always been more or less welcoming to people of color. And an all-white company might not attract many black applicants.

Who's fault is that?

 

[Dattier]

Who's fault is that?

That people don't feel welcome? Uhhhhh... Yours?

But, that whole incident could be avoided had you not taken the extra can of beans. Blame doesn’t have to be 50/50...

Okaaaaay...

...but it’s damn close.

No. All-caps with an exclamation point.

What you're saying sounds like a car company fighting against a lawsuit by saying that if a person hadn't tapped the car in front of them at the stoplight, the airbag decapitating everyone in the car wouldn't have deployed.

Or if the old cis lady hadn't fallen down in the crosswalk, she wouldn't have been trampled by the entire parade.

Or if you didn't want to end up kept in a dog kennel in the basement with a ball gag in your mouth, you shouldn't have knocked on Mr. Glover's door about your stupid school fundraiser, kid.

Or if a cis girl didn't want to be raped at the frat party, she shouldn't have brought potato salad.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

That people don't feel welcome? Uhhhhh... Yours?


Okaaaaay...


No. All-caps with an exclamation point.

What you're saying sounds like a car company fighting against a lawsuit by saying that if a person hadn't tapped the car in front of them at the stoplight, the airbag decapitating everyone in the car wouldn't have deployed.

Or if the old cis lady hadn't fallen down in the crosswalk, she wouldn't have been trampled by the entire parade.

Or if you didn't want to end up kept in a dog kennel in the basement with a ball gag in your mouth, you shouldn't have knocked on Mr. Glover's door about your stupid school fundraiser, kid.

Or if a cis girl didn't want to be raped at the frat party, she shouldn't have brought potato salad.

 

[Dattier]

Right, except seriously.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Duke seems to have a very fractured fan base.

You should see the homeboard. Every thread ends up being the same 3-5 posters bickering back and forth about who is a better Duke fan. It's not even political over there. The OAD has divided Duke fans as much or more than politics.

 

[Dattier]

You should see the homeboard. Every thread ends up being the same 3-5 posters bickering back and forth about who is a better Duke fan. It's not even political over there...

That's b/c for the most part the conservatives go unchallenged there. They make all kinds of snarky partisan comments that the rest of them like and no one bats an eye over it. The moment the rare liberal even more rarely chimes in, suddenly we are the ones making it political, and who have an "agenda," and their opinions are under attack, blah, blah, blah. I've said as much there.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

That's b/c for the most part the conservatives go unchallenged there. They make all kinds of snarky partisan comments that the rest of them like and no one bats an eye over it. The moment the rare liberal even more rarely chimes in, suddenly we are the ones making it political, and who have an "agenda," and their opinions are under attack, blah, blah, blah. I've said as much there.

I will take your word for it. I figured it was because the mods shut em down pretty quickly. I don't go over there that often, when I do, I don't notice many political threads. I Thought there were quite a few liberals over there?

 

[KYtotheCore]

I enjoy the back and forth. It's educating from the other side. I don't find the opposition's thoughts completely abrasive. It helps open one's mind. I AM always amazed at how far these threads get though. Laughing

 

[toonces11]

That people don't feel welcome? Uhhhhh... Yours?


Okaaaaay...


No. All-caps with an exclamation point.

What you're saying sounds like a car company fighting against a lawsuit by saying that if a person hadn't tapped the car in front of them at the stoplight, the airbag decapitating everyone in the car wouldn't have deployed.

Or if the old cis lady hadn't fallen down in the crosswalk, she wouldn't have been trampled by the entire parade.

Or if you didn't want to end up kept in a dog kennel in the basement with a ball gag in your mouth, you shouldn't have knocked on Mr. Glover's door about your stupid school fundraiser, kid.

Or if a cis girl didn't want to be raped at the frat party, she shouldn't have brought potato salad.

Cis?

 

[IUfanBorden]

To answer the question:
A ton of media folks wouldn't have shit to write.Laughing

 

[Dattier]

Cis?

As opposed to trans.

 

[toonces11]

Ahhhh. Why would.........nvm.

 

[BasketBallJunkie-UK]

They absolutely are relevant. Some fields have always been more or less welcoming to people of color. And an all-white company might not attract many black applicants.

We had plenty of people of color working at our company. So there goes your white racist theory. I managed a large staff of software development and IT specialists for a large nationally distributed publication....

 

[Dattier]

We had plenty of people of color working at our company. So there goes your white racist theory. I managed a large staff of software development and IT specialists for a large nationally distributed publication....

I just asked some pretty basic starter questions. You shouldn't be so defensive. It's odd that you claim I was pursuing some white racist theory when I asked questions about the scenario you brought up that already had the element of race in it.

There is apparently a dearth of black employees in tech. (If the mere mention of Rep. Maxine Waters makes you fly into a rage, you might prefer this link instead.) Here's one where a black CEO talks about the challenges of being black and working in tech. There is general concern about discrimination in STEM fields, too, apparently. In general, there seems to be a lot of stuff out there on this, if you're interested in my links or pursuing answers on your own.

 

[BasketBallJunkie-UK]

I just asked some pretty basic starter questions. You shouldn't be so defensive. It's odd that you claim I was pursuing some white racist theory when I asked questions about the scenario you brought up that already had the element of race in it.

There is apparently a dearth of black employees in tech. (If the mere mention of Rep. Maxine Waters makes you fly into a rage, you might prefer this link instead.) Here's one where a black CEO talks about the challenges of being black and working in tech. There is general concern about discrimination in STEM fields, too, apparently. In general, there seems to be a lot of stuff out there on this, if you're interested in my links or pursuing answers on your own.

I'm not defensive... just stating the obvious because you asked if it was predominately white. It seemed to me you were implying the racism. I took the time to read the black ceo's link.

I found interesting was that some of my students had never programmed before they'd got to college. And I clearly articulated to them that if you want a job in the Valley, the people that you're competing with for those jobs, a lot them probably started programming sixth, seventh, eighth grade and have been doing it for years. And so it's a focus on making that extra effort and that extra commitment to kind of get back on track to be successful and be competitive.

The above is exactly one of the culture / infrastructure changes the black community needs to change and is broken. Improving one's self is a personal challenge and choice. The CEO did exactly the same thing as I did and he appears to be successful during the same relative time period as myself. Sure he hit a few bumps, but he accepted those as challenges not as road blocks.

His article points towards my position more than it does yours. Segregation is not the answer, integration is. The black community needs more leaders like him.

 

[Dattier]

The above is exactly one of the culture / infrastructure changes the black community needs to ch-

Wow.

A guy who was bullied into hiding in the library at lunch gets curious about a random box, asks and receives permission to mess around with it, and becomes well-versed in coding. At 11.

A guy who has been the only black guy in the room, whom others have overlooked in guessing who the architect was in favor of the white guy beside him, says "And even if they got that job at that great tech company..." in discussing ongoing problems.

And you skip all of that in favor of a paragraph that basically recommends they work harder than anyone else just to catch up, because others got up to a 6 year head start on them.

And your takeaway from all of that is "personal responsibility" first, middle, and last?

 

[BasketBallJunkie-UK]

Wow.

A guy who was bullied into hiding in the library at lunch gets curious about a random box, asks and receives permission to mess around with it, and becomes well-versed in coding. At 11.

A guy who has been the only black guy in the room, whom others have overlooked in guessing who the architect was in favor of the white guy beside him, says "And even if they got that job at that great tech company..." in discussing ongoing problems.

And you skip all of that in favor of a paragraph that basically recommends they work harder than anyone else just to catch up, because others got up to a 6 year head start on them.

And your takeaway from all of that is "personal responsibility" first, middle, and last?

LOL You missed the entire point. You just don't get it. The CEO did.... I see a successful CEO that worked through adversity and wouldn't give up. I admire this type of effort. But you don't believe in personal responsibility.

I'ld sure as hell take his philosophy over yours.... You want things to be easier, but its just not reality. The more integration, the less that crap goes on. You need to lose that huge chip on your shoulder.

BTW what decade were you born in?

 

[Dattier]

LOL You missed the entire point. You just don't get it. The CEO did.... I see a successful CEO that worked through adversity and wouldn't give up. I admire this type of effort. But you don't believe in personal responsibility.

I'ld sure as hell take his philosophy over yours.... You want things to be easier, but its just not reality. The more integration, the less that crap goes on. You need to lose that huge chip on your shoulder.

BTW what decade were you born in?

I got that point. It's just incredibly minor. You had to cherry-pick that from the entire article, remove the context, and pretend it meant something different from what it actually means. And that's the one you chose to quote.

I've acknowledged personal responsibility as the first and biggest step. The discussion should be past that. That would require effort on your part, so it isn't happening.

What decade I was born in is, as you say, "irrelevant."

 

[KYtotheCore]

Dat's in here like

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Dat's in here like

He's even swinging at liberals because they aren't as radical as him.

 

[Dattier]

He's even swinging at liberals because they aren't as radical as him.

Yawn.
Example?

 

[dukedevilz]

Yesterday you were laughing at a mistake I made a month or so ago for which I immediately accepted correction for... but here you're citing illicit drug use over the past month to claim blacks use drugs more than whites? Laughing

You're using 30 days' worth of data when the same chart states whites are about 5% higher over the course of their lifetime. I'd call that "approximately the same," which is actually gracious of me, but you do all kinds of dishonest backflipping and spinning to make black people look worse.

If it's not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth*, it's a lie. You lied. The rest of your post is a bunch of weak, immature rationalization, but I'll be gracious again and just call you on the lying.

(*edit: It's different from being earnestly wrong, or being misinformed, or being mistaken. When you post the missing information in the very graphic you abused, it's a lie.)

Nothing I said was wrong. You are conflating data points. When the criteria selected is for 30 days, blacks had a higher rate in both 2011 (15% higher) and 2012 (23% higher); that looks more like a trend to me. The table doesn't explicit say so, but I thought it was obvious enough to deduct that blacks are more likely to be chronic users, whereas whites are more likely use it for recreational purposes. Here's another graph, which details the trend over the years. This comes from the US Department of Health and Human Services.

 

[Big_Blue79]

^ so you're saying there's a marketing opportunity for illicit drugs in Asian communities? Smells like capitalism.

 

[BasketBallJunkie-UK]

I got that point. It's just incredibly minor. You had to cherry-pick that from the entire article, remove the context, and pretend it meant something different from what it actually means. And that's the one you chose to quote.

I've acknowledged personal responsibility as the first and biggest step. The discussion should be past that. That would require effort on your part, so it isn't happening.

What decade I was born in is, as you say, "irrelevant."

Even though your questions were irrelevant, I answered them. The bold part, I've missed that in your arguments. If that's the case then we're in agreement. nothing to add...

 

[Dattier]

Nothing I said was wrong. You are conflating data points. When the criteria selected is for 30 days, blacks had a higher rate in both 2011 (15% higher) and 2012 (23% higher); that looks more like a trend to me. The table doesn't explicit say so, but I thought it was obvious enough to deduct that blacks are more likely to be chronic users, whereas whites are more likely use it for recreational purposes. Here's another graph, which details the trend over the years. This comes from the US Department of Health and Human Services.

You can deduce what the chart doesn't say about chronic use... but you don't see how the rates are similar.

 

[Dattier]

Even though your questions were irrelevant, I answered them. The bold part, I've missed that in your arguments. If that's the case then we're in agreement. nothing to add...

I don't spend much time on it b/c it's covered thoroughly by others, to the exclusion of any other factors. That there is most definitely other things to add is my point.

I was born in '72.

 

[dukedevilz]

You can deduce what the chart doesn't say about chronic use... but you don't see how the rates are similar.

Yes, I get it. Whites have used drugs at some point during their lifetime at a higher rate than blacks. That is not a relevant statistic, however, when discussing drug arrests. The second table I provided clearly shows what I'm referencing (active drug users). Who's more likely to get busted for drugs? Someone that is using drugs (or trafficking) every day, or someone who used drugs for a very short period of time? The numbers, across the board over a 12-year period, indicate that the daily/chronic users are more likely to be found in the African-American community.

It's kind of like saying a white person is more likely to be named to the Pro-Bowl, because historically there have been more white players in the Pro-Bowl. The demographic history is irrelevant in determining today's Pro-Bowlers. As this discussion relates to drug arrests, the only thing that matters are the active users.

 

[toonces11]

11 killed and 70 injured----big weekend for chicago. That place is neck deep in terrible people.

 

[Dattier]

Yes, I get it. Whites have used drugs at some point during their lifetime at a higher rate than blacks. That is not a relevant statistic, however, when discussing drug arrests. The second table I provided clearly shows what I'm referencing (active drug users). Who's more likely to get busted for drugs? Someone that is using drugs (or trafficking) every day, or someone who used drugs for a very short period of time? The numbers, across the board over a 12-year period, indicate that the daily/chronic users are more likely to be found in the African-American community.

It's kind of like saying a white person is more likely to be named to the Pro-Bowl, because historically there have been more white players in the Pro-Bowl. The demographic history is irrelevant in determining today's Pro-Bowlers. As this discussion relates to drug arrests, the only thing that matters are the active users.

The current rates are close. The arrest rates are not.

 

[Matt Laurer]

I won't argue that he could choose his battles, but I'm just glad to hear Iran isn't threatening our warships anymore, and the Russians have decided to abandon the "reach out and touch our fighter jets" tactics. I like the fact that the U.S. isn't the wallflower at the dance anymore. Not sure where those countries got the bravery they did with that kind of nonsense, but they seemed to have found their senses again somehow.

Reminds me of that show The Swan a few years ago. We've had a makeover and shown our true potential again.

Your perception is that we are safer/more respected. The reality is, nothing has changed. Everyone knows who the big swinging dick is on the global stage.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Fighting the good fight in Nashville.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Who knew Kim Davis was a folk singer.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Thoughts?

 

[toonces11]

Thoughts?

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Is it bad this is how most protesting comes off to me---color be damned.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

11 killed and 70 injured----big weekend for chicago. That place is neck deep in terrible people.

This, the 6th day of August, 97 people shot, 15 dead this month.

There was a huge rally in Chicago Friday, denouncing gun violence and calling for the resignation of the mayor. Then this weekend happens. Almost like someone flicked a switch.