Pretty sure that all depends on how schools report earnings.
How many MWC championships in a row will Kansas win?
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Kentucky has 37 wins over the last 5 years in football, roughly 7.3 wins per year. Kansas has 9 wins over the last five years. Its actually 9 in the last 6, because the won 0 games the year before.
I think it's safe to say we have the best football team of the blue bloods in basketball.
North Carolina would give us a run, they are up and down but should have a really solid team this year. I would put us at number 2.
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You actually have us too high. We've thrown atrocious amounts of money at the biggest gayest coaches in history.
I don't really understand the KU football issue. Is it lack of local talent? Administration doesn't care? Fans don't care?
Everything you read on here is just lazy opinions. They care and KU fans will and have shown up. Nobody shows up to a football team who has won 6 games in 6 years and has been awful for 10+
KU’s attendance under Mangino had them as a top 20 athletic department.
The problem is poor football hires. I believe we have the right one now. I didn’t think that with Beaty, Gill or Miles.
People like HawkIt are lazy trolls. KU is going to be fine. The revenue you see their from Ku is not accurate by the way.
If KU has a average football program they will put 40-50k in the stadium on a weekly basis and be one of the top 20 profitable athletic departments. The B1G knows that and so does ESPN. Very big Endowment and Medical School. Big into research and has its own hospital and cancer center.
Thank you for learning how to Wheel of Fortune
Fair enough.
Here’s what I know. Michigan State and Wake Forest played in a meaningless Bowl game in December of 2019 on a weekday in the middle of the afternoon. That game had more viewers than any regular season college basketball game that season including any Kansas or UK game ( the most watched was Duke/UNC Saturday prime time game ) TV network deals for colleges are all centered around Football and Basketball has very little to nothing to do with them. You might end up being correct and someone can convince Ohio State and Michigan to take millions less in order to play Kansas basketball on a regular basis but I don’t see it.
You still don’t understand what I am saying and it is very clear what my point is. You like most people are assuming that people are saying KU basketball is equal to or worth more the football. That isn’t what people are saying.
My point is simple. ESPN wants to consolidate. 4 major leagues makes sense. ESPN doesn’t want to pay for 5 leagues that include a big 12 with a few other random added schools. Yes Kansas might not actually raise the big tens payout on paper BUT ESPN can say “take Kansas and we WILL increase your payout per year. You won’t take less by adding Kansas.”
Why would ESPN do that? First of all, Kansas adds more value than every other big 12 team. Kansas also sacrificed some of its media rights. If Kansas didn’t it would be blatant to lazy people why Kansas has much more value than the remaining big 12 schools and other average football programs with no significant basketball program. ESPN knows they still have to put games on TV in the winter and Kansas and Kentucky far and away have the most people watching their games on a regular basis. Duke/UNC might be the most single watched game but MORE people watch Kansas and Kentucky on a regular basis. That’s 30 games a year per school. They will bring back the return ESPN needs during basketball season. Is that worth more than 12 regular season Texas game? No. But it is worth more than adding some team like WVU just because they are much better than KU at football. KU is much more valuable to streaming than it is to cable. ESPN knows this.
most importantly, ESPN would rather pay the Big Ten more per year with Kansas than to have to pay the big ten more because the deal is coming up, and pay the current big 12 through 2025 and then pay for a watered-down big 12 beyond 2025. ESPN still wants to make money during the winter and known that a random Kansas basketball game is competitive to a average football game on Saturday’s during the fall; makes kansas that much more valuable when football is over.
Again, is basketball more important or equal to? Absolutely not. But when it comes to the overall picture Kansas has value especially when it is compared to the remaining schools not in the ACC, B1G, PAC and SEC but it also has more value than a lot of current schools in those leagues that aren’t the top dogs like Texas or have a big history like Tennessee.
KU is a top 28 athletic department for a reason and that is with a decade of horrible football. Ask yourself why is that? Basketball.
ESPN sees value in having 4 major leagues instead of paying for 5 major leagues. They will tell the 4 major leagues to add a couple big 12 schools even if on paper it doesn’t make financial sense for ESPN but overall it does and they will tell those leagues they will not decrease your payout. It will increase it. A couple will be left out. K-State being one of them which ALSO adds to the potential of Kansas. If Kansas is simply average to slightly below average it becomes a top 20 athletic department. That really isn’t a lot to ask for. KU could go 4-8 to 7-5 every year and it will be very, very lucrative.
ESPN will pay the leagues enough to add those schools instead of having to pay for 5 leagues. ESPN wants to dominate college sports. ESPN also wants to make money during basketball season. Only Kansas and Kentucky can be competitive to a average college football game that isn’t a bowl game or isn’t a big rivalry game or played by Alabama etc.
I understand fully what you’re saying, I just don’t agree with it. You keep citing Espn but they own the SECN and the ACCN and the Sec just added OU/TX which means they’re going to have to pay a ransom now to the SEC and still televise ACC games. They only have so many time slots and days so Fox will become even more invested in the B10 as will a likely new network ( my guess is CBS ) B10 basketball might have a relationship with Espn in a few years but I doubt Football will.
ESPN knows what they are going to have to pay. They orchestrated the OU/UT/SEC deal. There is a bigger play here overall. They will get the return on investment. That’s a non issue.
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
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Iowa > Kansas
So you believe Espn will have the exclusive rights to SEC, ACC and B10 football especially when Fox owns half of the BTN? Are they buying that half and for how much?
Literally makes no sense. Espn/ABC is now in the SEC business. Fox/CBS ( likely) will be in the B10 business.
I’m using ESPN as an example. The rights end in 2023. Are you not of the opinion that things can change?
There is a bidding war right now between the networks. That is a fact.
Correct. That is why you add Texas/OU to increase the value of your product to drive up the bids.
Understand there is a bigger picture at play. College football essentially happens one day a week for 13 days throughout the year. Basketball goes from November to April. ESPN does care about basketball and it is important to fill the basketball schedule with good games 365 days a year. Basketball happens every night during the season and all day Saturday/Sunday.
KU is going to be just fine.
1. Basketball is 365 days a year?
2. Why are you stretching basketball’s conference TV schedule into April?
I said ESPN cares about what is happening on their channel 365 days a year.
Don’t discount ESPN trying to take over March madness. Do you realize how much the tourney makes and how much the NCAA takes from that. The schools are severely underpaid for the tourney. But yea right now I should not include April.
the point is football is on for 13 weeks on one day a week (for the most part). ESPN needs people watching year round. That’s not unique to ESPN. Is basketball football? No but can basketball make you money? Yes. Are you going to have games on regardless? Yea. But wouldn’t you want to maximize the games you essentially HAVE to televise.
basketball matters. It is part of the equation. It isn’t the first domino obviously.
Kansas basketball will make networks money. Not big game football money but it’ll make you money. You have to televise basketball games. Might as well get the #2 most watched program.
Duke has casual fans. They’ll watch Duke/UNC and it’ll be the top rated game. KU and UK fans will watch their team play Northern Colorado. Basketball fits into this equation. Things have to happen first but suggesting Kansas isn’t a p5 simply shows how uneducated you are.
If Kansas was the valuable, they wouldn't be in this situation. The Big Ten, PAC 12 and SEC have already added 6 universities from the original Big 12. If Kansas was that valuable, they wouldn't have been passed up for Colorado, Missouri, and Nebraska.
Damn. That's a mic drop. I've had a lady say similar things.
Kansas generates more revenue than Colorado and Missouri. KU is in a fine position with regards to if and when other conferences expand. Obviously the big 12 sucks but they will be picked up by the B1G or ACC. Both leagues which are better than the PAC. Pile on all you want right now but lack of knowledge of what’s happening, what matters, how it all ties in and what will happen is hilarious.
This is exactly my point but more blunt 🤷♂️. To put another way, OU/TX wanted to get away from the other 8 because they were responsible for almost all the TV revenue generated and were giving those schools an equal share even though they were just riding their coattails. Now some are suggesting that another conference will want to also drag them along and share revenue for no reason.
Overall revenue doesn't matter during conference expansion. You understand that when Kansas sells "Kansas Basketball" T-Shirts, that revenue stays with Kansas, right? It's not shared by the league. TV money is the money that is shared and over 80% of that money comes from football. Kansas is the least watched Big 12 football team. That's why they're in the situation that they're in right now.
If the Big Ten or ACC really wanted Kansas, they could have had them by now. Kansas best hope is that someone can lure in Notre Dame and needs another university to keep it at an even number. Kansas is simply not worth adding on it's own and the evidence is that nobody has sent them an invitation despite half the original Big 12 getting invites to leave.
I am aware how revenue works I also know more people watch Kansas Basketball than they watch Missouri football and many others. I’ve already touched on the overall subject. Just watch.
If the Big Ten wanted Kansas, they would have gotten Kansas whenever they wanted. I've heard people in the loop say the PAC 12 really wouldn't consider Kansas because they don't think they would increase the TV payout. If that's the case, they certainly aren't going to raise the Big Ten's payout. The Big Ten isn't just going to do it to do Kansas or ESPN a solid. That's not how this works.
