College Basketball Draft
- Thread starter dukedevilz
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Are you saying ok for participating or "ok, carry on."
Btw, I see Michigan had 3 of the top 10 players in Win Shares last year. See, they do account for defense
Big Ten Win Share Leaders, 2018-19
1. Cassius Winston Michigan State 7.7
2. Jon Teske Michigan 5.7
3. Juwan Morgan Indiana 5.6
4. Xavier Tillman Michigan State 5.6
5. Carsen Edwards Purdue 5.6
6. Ethan Happ Wisconsin 5.5
7. Ignas Brazdeikis Michigan 5.5
8. Bruno Fernando Maryland 5.4
9. Zavier Simpson Michigan 5.3
10. Dererk Pardon Northwestern 5.1
All-American points would bump Edwards and Happ above Teske, Morgan, and Tillman. Seems reasonable to me.
It's not that. A couple years ago Moe Wagner was a average (at best) defender. Jaren Jackson was the conference defensive player of the year. Wagner had more defensive win shares than Jaren Jackson. I really don't get that.
Win shares is a terrible metric. The only things worse are defensive +/- and the RPI.
Wagner logged 1,078 minutes compared to 764 minutes for Jackson. Not exactly comparable. Wagner picked up a Defensive WS every 414 minutes; Jackson picked up a Defensive WS every 347 minutes. If they played the same minutes, Jackson would almost certainly be ahead in that category. Most of the Win Shares are made up on the offensive end. The national leader in defensive Win Shares was Jarrett Culver at 3.5. Justin Wright-Foreman lead the nation in offensive win shares at 6.3. Very few players have a significant number in the defensive win share column.
Check out the national leaders for DWS. I know all of these guys were terrific defenders with the exception of Rafferty.
And still not sure, but are you a yes or no for the draft?
Open to adjusting the scoring system if others are on board. I like Win Shares because it's a nice medium for statistics. It's combining productivity with wins. It drives at who is most responsible for a team's win. Is it flawed? Sure. But, I'm not sure any fantasy league would be perfect when 353 teams don't all play in the same league. Competition is vastly different. I don't want to reward 20 point scorers on ho-hum teams. I also don't want to exclude players/conferences, because I think it's fun to have wild cards in there. We can certainly adjust the scoring if you have something in mind and others are okay with that.
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I think when you combine postseason awards, you get reasonable numbers for the most valuable players. Here were the most impactful players from last season's draft:
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If you end up needing someone to fill a spot...I'll do it. If you've already got your 10 that's cool also.
Great! Welcome aboard! We have one spot left. I would be okay with have 12 in the draft, though. I'm thinking we'll give people the weekend to see if we can muster out a few more guys. Here is the current draft order if no other posters join us.
Odd Rounds
1. boilerzz
2. dukedevilz
3. GE Nole
4. majericho
5. jace4655555
6. jwill133
7. klize17
8. MGC_07
9. WeAreDePaul
Even Rounds
1. WeAreDePaul
2. MGC_07
3. klize17
4. jwill133
5. jace4655555
6. imajericho
7. GE Nole
8. dukedevilz
9. boilerzz
Here are a couple of links to preseason top 100 players:
Making The Madness Top 100
Three Man Weave
My Top 150 on Rivals
Making The Madness Top 100
Three Man Weave
My Top 150 on Rivals
We have 11 posters now. I'm going to say 12 is the absolute max. I've already posted a draft order in this thread. If you want to play, let me know before round 1 concludes.
Wagner logged 1,078 minutes compared to 764 minutes for Jackson. Not exactly comparable. Wagner picked up a Defensive WS every 414 minutes; Jackson picked up a Defensive WS every 347 minutes. If they played the same minutes, Jackson would almost certainly be ahead in that category. Most of the Win Shares are made up on the offensive end. The national leader in defensive Win Shares was Jarrett Culver at 3.5. Justin Wright-Foreman lead the nation in offensive win shares at 6.3. Very few players have a significant number in the defensive win share column.
Check out the national leaders for DWS. I know all of these guys were terrific defenders with the exception of Rafferty.
And still not sure, but are you a yes or no for the draft?
Open to adjusting the scoring system if others are on board. I like Win Shares because it's a nice medium for statistics. It's combining productivity with wins. It drives at who is most responsible for a team's win. Is it flawed? Sure. But, I'm not sure any fantasy league would be perfect when 353 teams don't all play in the same league. Competition is vastly different. I don't want to reward 20 point scorers on ho-hum teams. I also don't want to exclude players/conferences, because I think it's fun to have wild cards in there. We can certainly adjust the scoring if you have something in mind and others are okay with that.
It's OK for something like this because it can be evaluated as such going in. I just don't like using it in real life to compare player A to player B. Too many factors influence it that shouldn't IMO.
can i join so i can kick all your asses again?
Yes! Been waiting for your response! You seriously wrecked the whole league last year. I mean, it was about as close to a perfect draft as is humanly possible.
We modified the points for mid-major players (those outside of Power-6 + American Athletic). 3 points for Conf. POY, 2 points for 1st Team, and 1 point for 2nd Team. If someone from San Diego State or Utah State receives All-American or HM All-American honors they would still receive the same points, of course.
Can I change my username and then join. Just kidding. Are y’all gonna do the draft on the thread I’m just interested in who everyone picks. I don’t follow cbb as closely as I did in the good old days when u could make bets and play poker on the same website. Now I can’t even find an online bookie that will accept my credit card since I live in KY.
Another fun betting fact. Fan duel and draft kings are legal in every state as far as I know except..............Nevada.
Had a friend on a bachelor party in Vegas last week who had me put some draft Kings teams together for him on his account bc it wouldn’t let him do it bc he was in Vegas. That shit blew my mind. Guess all those casinos aren’t too fond of sharing lol
Had a friend on a bachelor party in Vegas last week who had me put some draft Kings teams together for him on his account bc it wouldn’t let him do it bc he was in Vegas. That shit blew my mind. Guess all those casinos aren’t too fond of sharing lol
I'm not going to pretend that I understand win shares too well, but would minutes played have any bearing? JJJ couldn't stay on the court his one year at MSU.
Probably but at the end of the day Wagner was not a good defender while Jackson won Big Ten defensive player of the year. It’s weird to see a defensive stat that would suggest Wagner’s defend helped Michigan win more than JJ’s helped MSU.
I'd be interested in seeing the minutes they both played. I think I remember JJJ getting less than 20 mpg, it was ridiculous the way Izzo would pull him as soon as he got a single foul and then leave him on the bench for the rest of the half.
It might be more weird that JJJ won DPOY given how few minutes he played.
His defensive impact metrics, the more advanced ones besides Defensive win shares, were absolutely off the charts.
yea he was amazing when he was on the court, but he barely played which was extremely frustrating. I remember watching several games where he would get one quick foul and Izzo would sit him for basically the entire first half. I remember getting really annoyed all year as a neutral fan who kept tuning in to see JJJ only to see this lack of playing time become a regular thing.
