FWIW, Cal never claimed he invented it. Our friends the media pushed that narrative. Please see post 157.
Calipari Addresses Recruiting Trend
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He's promising them a quick path to the NBA. That's not always true. K is saying, yeah we can get you to the NBA, but you may have set backs that prevent you from playing in the NBA. What else can you do besides basketball? Let us show you what else is available just in case basketball is no longer an option.
Oh, I don't disagree with you. And it's a good advantage for the players.. I just think there's probably things that we're not privy to in actuality, so we're quick to make snap judgments. The media requires a savior and a villain for job security. We only know what they want us to know.
If I knew how to remedy or improve things on that scene, I'd have to be an idiot for staying in my current vocation.
Set for life doesn't mean you come to Duke and everything will be given to you. Heck, you don't get your jersey retired at Duke unless you meet certain standards that are unique to other schools. So, you have more opportunities and connections at Duke compared to other programs but you have to put in the work as well. Former players are always coming back to Duke and with K being there 40 years, he's created his family (The Brotherhood). That's another built in advantage that he has that Cal doesn't. Former players are on staff and are not assistant coaches with no connections to the program.
I don't totally get what you mean by it being a validation of Cal...? K has always recruited the top guys. Always. I remember the Randolph/Burgess/Brand/Battier recruitment... the Barnes recruitment... the Sean Livingston recruitment... the Kris Humphries recruitment... Duke has consistently gone after the top kids. But something HAS changed in that Duke is landing more of these kids. Maybe a change in the pitch? Maybe an increase of marketing through social media and the like? No idea... I don't think we are privy to recruiting to the degree we'd need to be to really understand that element of it.
Duke is lying? Eh, I don't know about that. If you go to Duke and unpack your packs and get what you can from it, you SHOULD be set for life. That isn't a lie. Sure, you have to put in the work and time, but no kidding; everybody knows that. I doubt that Coach K, a guy who is ALL about hard work, is seriously telling recruits "Oh, you never have to work again, you'll be taken care of." That's just stupid wishful thinking based on a single sentence from a recruit who went elsewhere as interpreted by rival fans anxious for a stone to throw. But yes, if you go to Duke, and you take advantage of all that Duke has to offer and use that well, you ARE basically set for life, assuming you put in the work... and I'd imagine that's true of the basketball players as much as it is for the regular students.
I don't think Cal has changed his recruiting or philosophy that much, just as I don't think K has made major changes to his recruiting. Cal was all in on Barrett and Zion. They just went elsewhere. If two 17 year old kids had picked UK instead of Duke, would you then say "Nevermind, Cal is just doing what he normally does!" Fans are just too quick to jump to these conclusions, and certain members of the media feed into it as well because they need to write stories. That doesn't make it true.
I think we CAN rest assured that Duke will have a good team next year. Win a title? Odds are DEFINITELY not. Can depending on freshmen go badly? Sure; just look (in part) at last years Duke team (although I think that was more about injuries than anything, although older guys would have had the chemistry to get through it better.) No kidding. Teams of older kids can suck; teams with younger kids can suck. None of this is some new shocking piece of information to Duke fans.
No, we're not privy to everything that's said to recruits. That's why I don't understand how some UK fans know for sure that K/Capel are negatively recruiting against Cal/Kentucky. Other programs have beat UK/Cal for recruits, but when it comes to Duke, it has to be negatively recruiting. Then, it turns into K/Capel are promising these kids the world. Not saying anything negative about Cal or Kentucky, but what Duke can do for the recruit. So yeah, we aren't privy to everything that's said on the recruiting trail, which is why it's so facinating to know how UK fans know exactly what's being said to every recruit. Telling recruits you'll be set for life with the vast opportunities Duke offers isn't negatively recruiting against Kentucky; just like Cal telling kids he can get them to the pros quicker than anyone else isn't negatively recruiting against Duke.
I think the irritation all stems from Capel's tweet a couple of seasons ago aimed at Cal or UK (or somebody associated with the program) over a recruit choosing Duke (Bolden?) and quickly removed it. I think many decided at that moment that Capel (Duke, therefor K?) wanted to make it personal.
Yeah, I've always been amazed how some nonsense can get repeated so often that it gets accepted as fact. The whole "Capel negatively recruits against UK" thing just blows me away... I've never seen anything, ever, that shows that, and yet it is accepted as gospel by some.
It's like the whole "The kid wanted to go to UK but their parent made them go to Duke" thing that is accepted as 100 percent fact by so many UK fans. It's just random made up stuff based off of, like, a single innocuous comment, like a parent saying "I like what Duke has to offer."
I genuinely do not think there is anything like that that I believe about any other program and their recruiting beyond what the coaches themselves have said.
I don't remember Capel's tweet. I know one of the Duke Twitter handles tweeted a pic of the fishing emoji poking fun at Cal about teaching people how to fish and they will eat for life. I think that was removed. But that was in response to Cal's blog when he came at Duke first and then backtracked like he did this week.
Matt Jones has brainwashed a lot of BBN into believing Capel is always talking trash on UK as well as the parents narrative. In reality, that guy doesn’t have a damn clue about anything regarding recruiting. He’s terrible.
Yeah, that was the one. Some fans get a liiittllee too emotionally invested. It all keeps it fun though. Realistically why should any of us take what happens between he two personally anyway?
K is just too smart that he not only tricks the kids, but he has to ability to trick adults as well. Fascinating.
A little? Wishing death on K and hoping players get injured is more that little too emotionally invested.
I don't mind spirited ribbings, but some of them cross the line on MANY occasions. It's just basketball.
It is ironic that everything outside of several conference titles and several FF's, Duke's winning is tied to K. He is Duke's living, breathing history regarding championships and modern basketball. Other fans like to use that as a knock against Duke when it comes to all-time stats, but flashing those 5 rings and the culture he's help create at Duke is a huge weapon whereas Cal can only sell his brief time at UK because he knows he's going up against the ghost of Rupp and the times of Joe B. Hall and Pitino. It certainly makes Kentucky a huge weapon, but Cal can't take that much credit for all of Kentucky's success. It's like Cal isn't connected to the past of Kentucky. Again, not saying recruits care about the history of Kentucky, but I would use that and the passionate fan base to my advantage.
I don't get the notion about K being late on the scene for OADs. He has literally been recruiting the most elite talent in the country for 3 decades. Kids don't stay in school as long as they used to (there is a laundry list of guys on his resume that in today's age might not stay more than a year or two - Johnny Dawkins, Danny Ferry, Grant Hill, Christian Laettner, etc.), but he has always actively recruited the best players. People opinion's might be skewed because what was probably K's biggest recruiting lull happened to coincide with the first year's of the OAD rule. But he was "Roying" it then - he was going after those guys (Drummond, Monroe, Wall, etc.) but not getting them.
And if you interpret the "set for life" as anything more than him stating the reality that an affiliation, for however long, with Duke University is a good thing, then you aren't very smart. You can find the idea smug, but that doesn't make it untrue. If you were recruiting to a school like Duke, you would be an idiot not to use the quality of the university as a selling point. Going to Duke classes and being exposed to that environment for two semesters is a hell of a lot better than not at all (and Duke hasn't cornered the market there or anything - there are plenty of universities for whom that is true, including the one Duke will be playing on Saturday).
And if you interpret the "set for life" as anything more than him stating the reality that an affiliation, for however long, with Duke University is a good thing, then you aren't very smart. You can find the idea smug, but that doesn't make it untrue. If you were recruiting to a school like Duke, you would be an idiot not to use the quality of the university as a selling point. Going to Duke classes and being exposed to that environment for two semesters is a hell of a lot better than not at all (and Duke hasn't cornered the market there or anything - there are plenty of universities for whom that is true, including the one Duke will be playing on Saturday).
Isn’t it great how UNCheat fans use to scream how they didn’t care that Cal was cleared by the NCAA because they still knew he was dirty but now all the sudden that the NCAA cleared UNCheat they swear by it!RollLaugh
You beat me to it......was about to say the same thing. And in this case, "cleared" = getting off on a technicality even though everyone (inlcuding UNC fans) knew they were guilty.
I have said this several times about the UNC scandal.... the most embarrassing part is the UNC fans CELEBRATING that they got away with cheating for so long.
we've been down this road 1,000 times or more, no need for another pissing contest. NCAA cleared you on a technicality, they didn't say UNC is innocent they just said they were cheating but found a loophole to fool both SACs and the NCAA. Bravo, well played UNC, but the NCAA never said you were innocent.
I agree but there’s 2 posters that wanna bring it up.
October 13, 2017 is the date when it was solved. Try to keep up and if you wanna bitch about it have at it. Nothings gonna change.
While the NCAA didn’t say UNC was Innocent, they also never said that UNC was cheating but got off on a loophole.
I thought this thread was about Calipari crying?
How does the saying go? Something about living in the past? It's a new season, bruh. Live in the present.
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