Another school shooting

[coryfly]

Schools, just as other things, are part of the problem. And that "silly school stuff" usually leads to that "true bullying" you are speaking of. I understand you teach. I understand your stance. But some schools just turn a blind eye to this stuff. My granddaughter came over the other day, crying. Asked what was wrong. Said a kid at school made fun of her teeth being crooked. Said her mommy/daddy were to poor to have her teeth fixed. My daughter just shrugged it off.

I did not. I contacted the school. Asked what was done. Told me---"its just kids being kids". No, its not. Its kids being mean. Its kids being disrespectful. Let that go, and what does it turn into at a later date? Or....Or.....speak with the child and make her aware that type of behavior is not acceptable. SIlly school stuff? Sure. But that doesn't mean you ignore it.

Look Cory, I'm nt JUST blaming schools. I understand the restrictions and guidelines they live under. But I also know schools here waaaaay to often tuck this stuff away. Can't do that. Just can't.

I think you misinterpret what I mean by silly school stuff. Silly school stuff is too 6 year old friends getting mad at each other and one saying something dumb to the other. What you are talking about is not what I'm referencing. It takes some experience to differentiate for sure and isn't always easy.

We had a situation similar to what you are talking about happen at our school today. I promise it was dealt with, lol. The one who did it was not only remorseful but tried to make it right afterwards. Another student who I never thought would be helpful actually stepped in and tried to help the other kid. We do a lot of stuff with bullying where we are at though. We have to.

 

[IU_Btown_Chicago]

You wouldn't expect those numbers be closer if guns kill people? #1 vs #99? You don't have to lie to prove your point, bub. I'm for gun control so you don't need to try to convince me of anything. That ranking disparity is at least pretty interesting.

I don’t think it is interesting and the disparity doesn’t shock me. Poverty or people in poverty are more likely to commit crimes or be in that lifestyle. I see that list and go down. I am like that makes sense. Why is more crime in the US caused in high poverty areas? Same logic. We are richer overall which makes their numbers per capita larger.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

@IU_Btown_Chicago

Why are criminals getting their guns from other states if they know they can't own guns where the live?

 

[treyforuk]

Lol, schools don't ignore bullying. I assume you know this. However, schools have to document it a certain number of times before certain actions are taken. The very definition of bullying policy wise involves repeated actions. Do you know how difficult it is to actually get kids put in alternative placements because of repeated disciplinary issues? It's an extremely long and arduous process.

Do you know what parents say when their kids are accused of bullying? They say it is just normal schoolyard stuff and kids need to stop being such pussies. I bet some of the people on this board feel this way.

It may not be happening where you are but I guarantee in most places it is taken very seriously. However, the punitive measures have to be addressed. It is absurd to lay the blame on the ones fighting the battles every day and not the structures in place that handicap the ability to fight them.

I bet some that just lost a child Felt that way also. Until the "pussy" broke into dad's gun cabinet.

 

[coryfly]

I bet some that just lost a child Felt that way also. Until the "pussy" broke into dad's gun cabinet.

Yeah, that's my point. I would bet by some of the discussion on here that some of the people who say we should crack down on this stuff would be the ones saying people are just being weak though and need to toughen up. That's a problem.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

I don’t think it is interesting and the disparity doesn’t shock me. Poverty or people in poverty are more likely to commit crimes or be in that lifestyle. I see that list and go down. I am like that makes sense. Why is more crime in the US caused in high poverty areas? Same logic. We are richer overall which makes their numbers per capita larger.

Why are the poorest, highest crime cities run by democrats? Is that just a coincidence?

 

[IU_Btown_Chicago]

@IU_Btown_Chicago

Why are criminals getting their guns from other states if they know they can't own guns where the live?

I read a University of Chicago study about this in Chicago. It said #1 was Mississippi which completely shocked me. #2 and #3 were Indiana and Wisconsin which didn’t and makes total sense. Only 10-15% of guns in crime in Chicago were illegal.

I am assuming as I don’t know gun laws in Mississippi that it is easy access. Gun laws by state will never work overall as long as this can happen which is why I laugh at people who use Chicago as an example.

I ran a job for a CFO who lived in South Carolina. He used to say he would never buy guns in a state that made him wait a month (forget which state he said that occurs)....he said he couldn’t wait a week. People want easy access to these guns. Somebody said it earlier that we have a sickness and we do.

The other countries have more murders in knives, etc. but overall they have a ton less. I just think gun people that don’t understand it’s not about taking all your guns away. It’s about being better.

 

[IU_Btown_Chicago]

Why are the poorest, highest crime cities run by democrats? Is that just a coincidence?

It is because of poverty. High crime is related to high poverty. Do you have a Duke degree? Really wondering.

 

[JimboBBN]

I got rid of all of my knives, forks, and spoons today guys. Trying to make my country a more safe place.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

It is because of poverty. High crime is related to high poverty. Do you have a Duke degree? Really wondering.

Wut

 

[IU_Btown_Chicago]

Wut

It has nothing to do with Democrats. It’s about having high concentrations of poor people who struggle to live. Think about Chicago. Highest murder rate areas by area also happen to be the poorest areas. 5 out of 80 areas in Chicago account for 50% of the murders.

Look at the list of most murders by country. Tops are mostly poor countries. Crime happens where poverty is at.

Now wut?

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

It has nothing to do with Democrats. It’s about having high concentrations of poor people who struggle to live. Think about Chicago. Highest murder rate areas by area also happen to be the poorest areas. 5 out of 80 areas in Chicago account for 50% of the murders.

Look at the list of most murders by country. Tops are mostly poor countries. Crime happens where poverty is at.

Now wut?

So why do you think that crime and poverty in America seem to be higher in democrat run cities?

 

[IU_Btown_Chicago]

So why do you think that crime and poverty in America seem to be higher in democrat run cities?

It’s called cost of living. For example, my aunt and uncle work at a gas station in a small crap town in Southern Indiana. They own their house. In Chicago, they be living in the projects. They have to earn more to live, house themselves, and feed their families. Average income for a family of 4 in America is 40 thousand and that doesn’t cut it in Chicago. It does cut it in Brazil, Indiana, French Lick, Indiana, or whatever small town.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

It’s called cost of living. For example, my aunt and uncle work at a gas station in a small crap town in Southern Indiana. They own their house. In Chicago, they be living in the projects. They have to earn more to live, house themselves, and feed their families. Average income for a family of 4 in America is 40 thousand and that doesn’t cut it in Chicago. It does cut it in Brazil, Indiana, French Lick, Indiana, or whatever small town.

So why is crime and poverty in America higher in democrat run cities.

 

[IU_Btown_Chicago]

So why is crime and poverty in America higher in democrat run cities.

Do you not see the correlation I just laid out? Take 40,000 a year for a family of four.....take two different families which one lives in Chicago and another lives in French Lick, IN that earn those amounts. Their lives are drastically different based on where you live. The poorer the people the more likely a life of crime.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Do you not see the correlation I just laid out? Take 40,000 a year for a family of four.....take two different families which one lives in Chicago and another lives in French Lick, IN that earn those amounts. Their lives are drastically different based on where you live. The poorer the people the more likely a life of crime.

So why is it that the poorest and most crime ridden cities are run by democrats?

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

This is really cool. JJ Watt has to be one of the most selfless and accommoating people

 

[IU_Btown_Chicago]

So why is it that the poorest and most crime ridden cities are run by democrats?

Why is Lincoln Park in Chicago safe and other areas aren’t? Less poor people because they can’t afford to live there and be my neighbor. Again, crime stays with poverty. It has nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans. It has everything to do with America though. People don’t want people to live on a liveable wage (think this is true of Democrats and Republicans. See my comments about the different areas of Chicago. Lincoln Park is completely different than say the South side). People want to take away benefits for people (Republicans?). Gentrification in cities is to blame. Rich people don’t want poor people near them. That is all part of the problem. You are just an idiot trying to put the blame only on Democrats when Republicans share the same blame.

 

[Dattier]

Ok. I' on page 3. So I'm going to ask. Is school bullying involved?. Picked on kids feel helpless. And no one is reaching out. Shouldn't this be addressed before we start knee jerking?

No.

I mean, that kind of thing should always be addressed and should already be underway. Bringing it up now looks too much like victim-blaming and it isn't relevant to what's next. It doesn't matter if he was bullied; it doesn't matter if no one reached out. It doesn't justify what he did, so it's a distraction. He's not Farrah Fawcett and this ain't The Burning Bed.

 

[Dattier]

Looks like Btown has his panties all bunched up. Anyone have any suggestions for him?

@IU_Btown_Chicago , gun nuts -- if you want to call them that -- have the upper hand here. You're not going to get anywhere calling them stupid. Be civil and don't give them an excuse to drag this into the gutter. Nothing changes and nobody wins that way.

 

[Dattier]

I remember when in school we had tornado/fire drills. Now, my grand kids have "active shooter" drills.

This world is a mess.

We have a fire drill every single month. We have one lockdown drill per year. That's backward.

My parents had bomb drills, hiding under their desks in case the Rooskies nuked them. Not to deflect -- there's a difference between paranoia and the real deal -- and things are messed up now, but romanticizing the past can lead to throwing in the towel about "kids today" and being able to do anything about it.

 

[Dattier]

So politicians don't want schools disciplining bullies?

So Republicans love guns more than children?
Are we full circle yet? Are we done circle j3rking?

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

@IU_Btown_Chicago , gun nuts -- if you want to call them that -- have the upper hand here. You're not going to get anywhere calling them stupid. Be civil and don't give them an excuse to drag this into the gutter. Nothing changes and nobody wins that way.

This is so cute. Look at you being the nice little moderator. What a hypocrite. How civil were you in the quote below? You took the discussion straight to the gutter with your unprovoked blabbering.

lol
What a stupid, loaded dichotomy. Why not...
(A) enact considerably stricter gun regulations including universal background checks and gun registries, no gun show/private sales loopholes, and the outright ban of some guns

(B) turn schools into prisons with armed guards and barbed wire?

I didn't even read the rest of what you wrote.

I know, I know. I "made my own bed" when I called you on your lies when you claimed your life was significantly worse since Trump was president. Guess I have to lay in that bed I made.

 

[Dattier]

This is so cute. Look at you being the nice little moderator. What a hypocrite. How civil were you in the quote below? You took the discussion straight to the gutter with your unprovoked blabbering.

I know, I know. I "made my own bed" when I called you on your lies when you claimed your life was significantly worse since Trump was president. Guess I have to lay in that bed I made.

Having different tones at different times is hypocritical?
Giving someone a chance but being fresh out of chances for someone else is hypocritical?

I'm sorry you're rustled over
not being allowed to duck
personal responsibility
for how you ever
personally conduct
yourself, betraying reciprocity.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Having different tones at different times is hypocritical?
Giving someone a chance but being fresh out of chances for someone else is hypocritical?

I'm sorry you're rustled over
not being allowed to duck
personal responsibility
for how you ever
personally conduct
yourself, betraying reciprocity.

I don't need you to give me a chance. That's sweet that you think you are important enough to give people chances. You gave advice to another poster about not taking conversations to the gutter. In this very thread, you are guilty of taking a conversation to the gutter. THAT is what is hypocritical. Recently I have found you to be reasonable, but you have regressed back to the real you over the past few days. Say what you will about me, I don't put on a front, I am me. Turns out reasonable datt was a fraud. Shame on me for falling into that trap.

 

[Da_Bull]

So why is it that the poorest and most crime ridden cities are run by democrats?

Because most democrats don't truly care about poor people or inner city violence. They only care when it affects them or happens in a white neighborhood or school.

 

[treyforuk]

So Republicans love guns more than children?
Are we full circle yet? Are we done circle j3rking?

I'll play. Let's ake away all guns. Now. We have fixed that. Does bullying stop? You are the smart one. Did taking away guns, stop the weak from being attacked by idiots.

 

[treyforuk]

No.

I mean, that kind of thing should always be addressed and should already be underway. Bringing it up now looks too much like victim-blaming and it isn't relevant to what's next. It doesn't matter if he was bullied; it doesn't matter if no one reached out. It doesn't justify what he did, so it's a distraction. He's not Farrah Fawcett and this ain't The Burning Bed.

That's odd, coming from such a bleeding heart. I guess the victims of bullying aren't..black enough?

 

[Dattier]

I'll play. Let's ake away all guns. Now. We have fixed that. Does bullying stop? You are the smart one. Did taking away guns, stop the weak from being attacked by idiots.

No, no. I've gotten off this swing set already. I've never argued in favor of any gun confiscation w/o qualification.

I guess I am the smart one, b/c your questions sure are dumb. As cory has accurately expressed, schools already address bullying. It will never stop entirely, but we can make it more difficult for that victim to go on a murderous rampage when he snaps.

 

[Dattier]

Recently I have found you to be reasonable, but you have regressed back to the real you over the past few days. Say what you will about me, I don't put on a front, I am me. Turns out reasonable datt was a fraud. Shame on me for falling into that trap.

The real you apparently sucks.
You don't know squat about "the real Dat."

@SNU0821 , how've you found me over the last couple days? Could it have anything to do w/ your not being an uncivil jerk, either?

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

The real you apparently sucks.
You don't know squat about "the real Dat."

@SNU0821 , how've you found me over the last couple days? Could it have anything to do w/ your not being an uncivil jerk, either?

It's okay datt. I forgive you. I am moving on now. Have a great day.

 

[treyforuk]

No, no. I've gotten off this swing set already. I've never argued in favor of any gun confiscation w/o qualification.

I guess I am the smart one, b/c your questions sure are dumb. As cory has accurately expressed, schools already address bullying. It will never stop entirely, but we can make it more difficult for that victim to go on a murderous rampage when he snaps.

I'm sure you have heard this before. There was a dangerous road where drivers kept driving off a cliff. The county politicians think it's a good idea to put an ambuance at the bottom of the cliff to fix the problem. Over looking the obvious fix.

 

[JimboBBN]

With the exception of a few idiot keyboard warriors in this thread, I think having a talk about this stuff in real life would be a lot more civil and constructive.

 

[Dattier]

That's odd, coming from such a bleeding heart. I guess the victims of bullying aren't..black enough?

The victims I refer to are the only victims who deserve the time of day after the fact: the murdered kids.

Just down the road from me, in Raleigh, LEO responded to a call about a man walking down the road yelling and acting as if he had a gun. He was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, resisting an officer, and assaulting a K-9. Oh, and he got roughed up a bit in the course of it....

Fast forward, all charges were dropped and 3 LEO were indicted. Now, was the pedestrian doing something wrong? Maybe. Maybe the 9-1-1 call was highly warranted and addressing him at the scene was appropriate. Maybe he should have been arrested. But that doesn't matter now. He could have been a complete d-bag; LEO were allegedly bigger d-bags, so now the guy they arrested is nothing but a victim.

See how that works? Handle a problem the right way and the bad guy gets it. Handle it badly and you become the bad guy and the former bad guy becomes the good guy. Bully? Bullying victim? Okay. Handle it effectively and the roles remain there. Murder the original bullies and innocent bystanders? Sorry, but your previous victimhood no longer means bupkis. The victims are the people who used to be bullies but didn't deserve to be murdered.

 

[Dattier]

As cory has accurately expressed, schools already address bullying. It will never stop entirely, but we can make it more difficult for that victim to go on a murderous rampage when he snaps.

I'm sure you have heard this before. There was a dangerous road where drivers kept driving off a cliff. The county politicians think it's a good idea to put an ambuance at the bottom of the cliff to fix the problem. Over looking the obvious fix.

There are already signs, a guard rail, a sand pit, water barrels, a McDonald's playground ballpit, a gigantic catcher's mitt, drones w/ bungee cord spears, and that "shut up" necklace from that Twilight Zone episode. You want to talk about adding the 100 fastest balloon-animal-making clowns.

Forget the ambulance; just keep sending hearses.

 

[Dattier]

With the exception of a few idiot keyboard warriors in this thread, I think having a talk about this stuff in real life would be a lot more civil and constructive.

Shut up.

 

[JimboBBN]

Shut up.

Thoughts and prayers

 

[coryfly]

Also, in case I sounded peremptory about it earlier, schools aren't perfect. Things are missed. However, they are being very proactive in trying to get everyone trained properly and identifying signs of this stuff. It isn't as easy as people think. They are trying hard to do their part though. They are pouring money into it. Training staff. Researching the issue. You don't think the ones in danger of losing the most are concerned here? No one wants this to stop more than those who not only care for their own kids but also care for yours 180 days a year.

They are doing their part though. Using them as the problem is avoidance.

 

[Dattier]

Also, in case I sounded peremptory about it earlier, schools aren't perfect. Things are missed. However, they are being very proactive in trying to get everyone trained properly and identifying signs of this stuff. It isn't as easy as people think. They are trying hard to do their part though. They are pouring money into it. Training staff. Researching the issue. You don't think the ones in danger of losing the most are concerned here? No one wants this to stop more than those who not only care for their own kids but also care for yours 180 days a year.

They are doing their part though. Using them as the problem is avoidance.

Dude. No need to qualify it or placate anyone. Some people have already made up their minds to blame schools and dead kids so that they don't have to worry about the possibility of not being able to defend themselves from the entire US military w/ the caché of guns from their safe space -- er, safe room.

 

[JimboBBN]

Dude. No need to qualify it or placate anyone. Some people have already made up their minds to blame schools and dead kids so that they don't have to worry about the possibility of not being able to defend themselves from the entire US military w/ the caché of guns from their safe space -- er, safe room.

Why has no country ever tried to invade the United States, Dat? I know you’re just trying to be a smart ass, but the amount of guns in this country keeps us safe in more ways than one. Also, please tag the posters who have blamed dead kids in this thread. TIA