Lol says one of the most extreme posters, left or right, on this board.
Wendell Carter's mom says......
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So that's a no then?
You say black people get profiled like it's consensus even among conservatives... and then say it doesn't affect them negatively.
Ahhhh citing more left-wing biased sites. I thought you frowned upon that?
I said they have the exact same opportunities as whites do as far as schools and jobs if not more. I never said it doesn’t affect them negatively. Always picking a fight
Left-center. When will you start addressing people's citations anywhere right of center?
How does local news work for you?
How about the researcher himself linking to the same Wired article?
Hey, you're the one that complained about people citing sources with a conservative agenda. I would think if you had a problem with politically biased sites you would refrain from citing Vox and Wired. Make up your mind.
The article I cited from Wired was endorsed and linked by the researcher in question. The Vox article was taking a step back toward the center in saying Nixon's War on Drugs wasn't as racist as some liberals would have you believe.
I've also cited The Hill, WSJ, Forbes, and the National Review, all right-leaning publications. Every one of them mentioned here is also spitting distance of center. They have some bias, but not much, and they have high standards. And more so than the overall publications, the exact articles meet even higher standards of integrity.
Among other things, I teach people how to do research. I vet articles before I post them. snu and someone else were talking about some stuff yesterday where I was completely lost. Something business-y. Not my area of expertise. How to evaluate the credibility of an article is an area of expertise for me. I'm staying in my lane here. You're trolling.
You think anything short of taking out the black population is "definitely not endangering them, or taking away their freedoms or opportunities and things like that"? All or nothing?
I’ve already told you I know there are bad cops. Bad cops do bad things. We are talking an extremely low percentage of African Americans, or any race for that matter, dealing with a cop that doesn’t want to do his job right.
SOme people feel that all are define by the actions of a few. It's easier for them. I mean for every black person mistreated by the police, 15 have had their lives saved(by the police). But you see, that doesn't make the news. Nor is it recognized. With that being said, in no way does that(or do I) condone the senseless actions of those cops, who have mistreated someone due to their race. It's sickening. And sad.
Show me any examples of @hailtoyourvictor , @SNU0821 , @AFSTALLION13 , or @Bert Higginbotha offering the slightest conciliatory gesture or understanding to a differing political viewpoint.
You are usually understanding but in this thread you’ve taken things I’ve said out of context just to argue with me. Like your argument about respect. You obviously knew I was talking about complying and following orders and not being polite.
I enjoy my back and forth with him for the most part. Some things he posts I would never agree with but that’s okay. I’m sure he feels the same way about my posts.
I'm not even involved in these threads. I was in read-only mode adding the occasional like. You've tagged me twice now. I wasn't aware it wasn't kosher to like posts in threads that I wasn't a participant in. If you're fishing for me to throw some likes your way, then post something worth liking.
I have good friends who are cops. High ranking cops.
And I have to admit, I find cop worship kind of weird. Same with military worship.
Both are tough jobs. I'm glad peole do it. But it's become a thing where people just say things "for serving" without giving any actual thought or authenticity to what the **** they are saying.
Also, pretty sure it's a thing in psychology where humans tend to associate authority with credibility.
So, cops who do good jobs should be rewarded. Cops who do shitty jobs shouldn't be thanked. Some guy who joins the military and never actually contributes to the good of the country isn't a hero.
And just because you're a cop doesn't mean you're right. There are a lot of asshole cops that I quite frankly have zero respect for.
And also, a lot of people are put in cages when they never hurt anyone. A lot of people are shot when they shouldn't be. I'm not even talking about race. I'm talking about all of god damned society.
Yes, it's a hard job. There are a lot of hard jobs. That's not a pass to do shitty work.
And I have to admit, I find cop worship kind of weird. Same with military worship.
Both are tough jobs. I'm glad peole do it. But it's become a thing where people just say things "for serving" without giving any actual thought or authenticity to what the **** they are saying.
Also, pretty sure it's a thing in psychology where humans tend to associate authority with credibility.
So, cops who do good jobs should be rewarded. Cops who do shitty jobs shouldn't be thanked. Some guy who joins the military and never actually contributes to the good of the country isn't a hero.
And just because you're a cop doesn't mean you're right. There are a lot of asshole cops that I quite frankly have zero respect for.
And also, a lot of people are put in cages when they never hurt anyone. A lot of people are shot when they shouldn't be. I'm not even talking about race. I'm talking about all of god damned society.
Yes, it's a hard job. There are a lot of hard jobs. That's not a pass to do shitty work.
Other than a brief turn at trolling the other night, I never do anything just to argue. If I confront someone, it's sincere. If I misinterpret, I welcome being given the appropriate context.
I've acknowledged the wisdom of following LEO's lawful orders. When we are talking about situations where someone ended up dead, it's too late for that advice, and it's time to turn our attention to whether it was warranted or had other points at which it could have stopped escalating. Being hostile toward LEO, either verbally belligerent or noncompliance over small incidents do not in and of themselves warrant the use of deadly force. So in @SNU0821 's post about Walter Scott I missed previously, sure, if he hadn't run, but had complied with Officer Slager's instructions, his odds on surviving it are too close to 100% to define it as anything else. And that's with what we now know about Slager, who is serving 20 years for 2nd-degree murder.
BUT... Scott's running away still didn't justify what Slager did. It was 2nd-degree murder. There is pretty compelling video evidence that Slager intended to plant his taser on Scott's dead body, too. Running away... 2nd-degree murder... Come on... Insisting on mentioning the running away every time it comes up is a step toward downplaying and excusing what Slager did. It's about like telling a rape victim she shouldn't have gone up to his bedroom to see his tropical fish if she didn't want the D.
I'm not lobbying for your likes.
I just asked a couple simple questions a Christian ought to be able to answer about their own behavior.
Agreed.
I'll add, re: the bold, that whether we first associate authority w/ credibility or whether credibility warrants authority or what have you, authority has to be credible or else it is just tyranny. We grant LEO a lot of authority, and they have to honor that w/ high credibility and professionalism.
The LEO who arrested Sandra Bland... he got fired not b/c Sandra Bland was a saint and he just went comic-book villain evil just for the sake of it. He got fired b/c she was rude and he still should have been able to handle it professionally. That's what they are trained to do and expected to do. This isn't two regular citizens throwing hands over some dumb conflict in the grocery store express lane; it's an officer of the law!
Because it's what I know, here's a school example: My oldest, 17, is in a dual enrollment program that means at high school graduation, she'll already have the credits to be a junior in college. She could graduate with a Bachelor's at the age of 20. She could become a teacher at the age of 20. (I've strongly advised her not to.) In NC, the age of consent is 16, but it is against the law for any teacher to have a relationship with any student at the same school, regardless of age. You can attend public high school in NC until the age of 21. My daughter could be a 20-year-old teacher, have a relationship with an older 20-year-old who is a student at the school where she teaches... and she'd be guilty of a crime. As a teacher, she would be entrusted with a level of authority that demands a higher standard than the age of consent dictates. Similarly, LEO are expected to handle situations professionally and better than other people, including the people in that same situation.
No, not at all. Just a rare mood, I guess.
I don't think you will find a post where I was anti-police. I like police. In public I love to see a policeman/woman and usually go toward them instead of running away.
Common sense teaches us how to deal with a policeman. The point is to never be hostile in a face to face meeting. Don't run because you are showing guilt and want to avoid contact.
Cops are armed and trained so how damned dumb do you have to be to act stupidly or aggressive toward them?
I do agree with you that a policeman/woman should not have a short fuse but in today’s climate the radical elements in our society have declared war on police and I suppose that has shortened the policeman/woman's fuse.
In New York do you remember the chants of “what do we want? DEAD COPS! When do we want it? NOW!” and many, many places we witnessed the "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" chant. Since this type of shit started police deaths are up, so one would expect the police to respond to the threat more agressively as their deaths go up.
You can side with the crooks and the terrorists. I will side with the police. There will be some wrongful deaths caused by police as it simply becomes a matter of odds that something unfortunate will happen, but police are not out looking to kill little minority boys.
If you want to have a conversation about how we keep bad people from becoming cops then I guess we could try to do that. It would be hard. But other than that, I've already admitted to you multiple times that there are evil people that are police officers and end up doing horrible things. I would guess where you and I differ on things is the number of instances or the percentage of times the cop was wrong in his actions and the time he was right.
I would suggest making the age limit for being a police officer 25 years old WITH two years of training. So go into training at 23 in order to be on duty at 25. Have their first year riding bitch with someone who has at least 10 years experience before going on patrol alone. A big part of the two year training needs to focus on mental health, different ways to handle people under the influence of drugs or alcohol and ways to handle aggressive/agitated suspects. I am a fan of community policing. Offer overtime for officers who reach out to their communities. Here the police and sheriff department have basketball and baseball
tournaments where it is cops vs citizens. That builds a trust and friendship that is important between the public and the law enforcement. I know this isn't a feasible option everywhere, but in bigger towns and cities it should be. And that's where the biggest issues are anyways. That, and vigorous background checks
Just my thoughts.
Addressing implicit bias in police policy is not being anti-cop. Calling out guilty cops or acknowledging how suspicious a shooting seems is not being anti-cop.
Those chants were rare and isolated. Conservative media got ahold of it, played it on a loop, and next thing you know, their consumers think it's a never-ending chant hordes of people chant around the clock in shifts.
It's dumb to be disrespectful, noncompliant w/ lawful directives, and especially aggressive when interacting w/ police. That's a message we share with the living. When someone is dead, we evaluate whether it was truly necessary, and many of us see a sizable gap between "justifiable" and "necessary."
Do you have any compassion for people who have witnessed enough suspect incidents that their trust of the police is destroyed, and they therefore don't see the wisdom in complying? If you were trying to point out the folly of their attitude, would you have any empathy for their starting point?
I side with holding LEO to standards matching the authority we entrust to them.
Number one. What in hell is LEO. Law Enforcement Officer, or it is a constillation?
Those chants were not rare. The Black Lives Matter people are a terrorits organization.
I have little compasion for people who "say" that they don't trust the police.
Edited out two bad words. Sorry Dattier.
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I can get behind a lot of this. Its tough, because just like with guns, a few bad people are going to get through no matter what. But its worth discussing I think.
In other words you can use liberal sites, but conservative sites not allowed? Typical liberal thinking
“Hands up, don’t shoot” had sports teams coming out holding their hands up , members of congress doing it, cbs, nbc,cnn,abc, msnbc pundits doing it on air. It was all based on a lie, and I have yet to see just one person out of all that apologize. Why is that.
I side with obeying orders from law enforcement officers and not calling them pigs in a blanket and calling for killing them.
Did someone hold a gun to Carters head and force him to go to college for a year? Did he not have an option of finding a job and going to work making money? Not sure what her point is. Nobody forced him to do anything, he and she knew the deal when they signed the papers to attend Duke.
Always trying to blame others for your own actions. Just freakin ludicrous.
Unless she is 200 years old, she knows no more or less about slavery than anybody else.
Well, then you're on my side, except I hold LEO to high standards instead of coddling them.
Well, somebody missed me yesterday!
You only read, like, the first line of my post, didn't you? Had you read as far as the third sentence, you'd have seen a lot of that. It's right there. Now, if I was into taking all kinds of intellectual shortcuts and making broad, stupid generalizations, I might refer to your incompetent attempt to take a swing at me as "typical conservative thinking." Fortunately for all the intelligent, thoughtful, reasonable conservatives out there who would be unfairly lumped in with you, I'm a liberal, so I wouldn't do that.
Actually, I can use liberal sites and conservative sites, which I did. And I didn't stop there. Once on those sites, I read beyond the headlines. I looked for bias, exaggeration. I checked primary sources. I cross-referenced them. Only then did I cite anything from any site, liberal or conservative. That is indeed pretty typical liberal thinking in that it is thorough, logical, well-educated, and well-practiced at hearing diverse perspectives openly.
You only read, like, the first line of my post, didn't you? Had you read as far as the third sentence, you'd have seen a lot of that. It's right there. Now, if I was into taking all kinds of intellectual shortcuts and making broad, stupid generalizations, I might refer to your incompetent attempt to take a swing at me as "typical conservative thinking." Fortunately for all the intelligent, thoughtful, reasonable conservatives out there who would be unfairly lumped in with you, I'm a liberal, so I wouldn't do that.
Because it wasn't a lie. I'd explain further, but after that last bit, I don't see any hope in it.
The dots you tried to connect there are pretty freakin ludicrous.
Gosh, it sure is too bad that we can't learn anything except by getting old.
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