Wendell Carter's mom says......
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I’m glad you can contribute to the growing list of ridiculous things said by the left ITT. His post deserved the response it got
You keep archives of slights over the years to trot out whenever you want to make some convoluted, out of context point; you are always at the ready with a video of white people being treated badly; you are always quick to cite mens' rights propaganda. Surely you have access to incidents of good ol' fashioned white-on-black racism. Short of Klan robes, Nazi flags, and notarized confessions, have you ever leaned toward siding with the black person in an alleged racist incident that was impossible to prove?
The notion that white liberals feel guilty for being white is ridiculous. Y'all like to act all butt hurt that liberals think you're stupid, then you accuse us of having the most ridiculously contrived simplistic reasoning possible.
She is............very wrong. Look at these kids, man. Free education at one of america's most prestigious institutions. Access to some of the best medical care. The clothing apparel they receive. Access to state of the art weight rooms. Food. Ever seen how these kids eat? I have. It ain't a god damn soup line. Travel the country for free, all the while staying in top shelf hotels. Chartered flights. Having the chance to showcase their skills on a national stage.
Such god damn bullshit.
Exactly what does she know? I mean.......was she a slave? So I'd say I know as much about it as she does. Unless of course she hasn't taken the time to educate herself on it. Then in that case---I know more.
Look just b/c someone is black, doesn't mean they understand slavery better than anyone who is not(black). Now, they may understand racism better; MOF, I agree they do. But slavery? No.
I'm white. Does it mean I understand what my ancestors went through in securing their freedom from Britian, better than a black man? Nope.
Everyone has already pointed out how wrong he is. We concluded that dattier was drunk last night and couldn’t get laid.
I don’t care in the least bit what liberals think of me. Zero. It was also a sarcastic reply to a stupid comment. Quite the snowflake tonight.
How true.
I wish that I had been a good enough basketball player to have been enslaved by a college team.
Honestly, the broader way that you'd like to define it, is simply racism. You don't need to qualify it with anything else. Otherwise, the term becomes a misnomer, in my opinion... and you know what? Other people define it more appropriately, as in institutions and organizations that display a pattern of racism. And yes, it's obviously more than just laws. That's why I mentioned that schools, cops, and financial institutions aren't trained to be racist.
Here are 3 other definitions of institutional racism that I found on the web (the first 3 I found):
1. Institutional racism is a pattern of social institutions — such as governmental organizations, schools, banks, and courts of law — giving negative treatment to a group of people based on their race.
2. The term "institutional racism" describes societal patterns that impose oppressive or otherwise negative conditions on identifiable groups on the basis of race or ethnicity. Oppression may come from the government, schools or the court.
3. Solid Ground defines Institutional Racism as “the systematic distribution of resources, power and opportunity in our society to the benefit of people who are white and the exclusion of people of color.”
I assume you'd like to see some sort of change, right? If there are patterns of inappropriate behavior in any of our societal institutions, that to me is the type of issue that needs to be rectified. But again, where are the statistics that show that this is systemic issue?
While the KKK is a despicable organization that I would not condone in any way, it is such a tiny fragment of our population. You're looking at about 3,000 members nationwide. Black people kill more black people every six months than the KKK did in 86 years...
Slavery was not an expressly American institution. The Spanish, British, French and Dutch spread it all over Europe and the new world. Africa, the Near East and the Ottoman Empire were and still are involved in it. Plus all the slaves were NOT exclusively black.
The enlightenment of its evil began in Europe and the U.S. and the practice was stopped during the 19th Century.
France ended slavery in France in 1794 but its colonies in 1848
Mexico ended slavery in 1829
England ended slavery in 1833
Dutch ended slavery in 1837
U.S. ended slavery in 1865
Cuba ended slavery in 1886
Brazil ended slavery in 1888
Egypt somewhere between 1877 and 1898
Ottoman Empire ended slavery in 1924
So, all cultures were involved with it and it still exists in Africa and some other areas.
Now my point is why do American blacks act like it is an American only problem. I guarantee you that a black person in America is far better off than in any other place. We do not need to stop trying to improve all peoples lot; however, America is not that bad a place for black people.
The enlightenment of its evil began in Europe and the U.S. and the practice was stopped during the 19th Century.
France ended slavery in France in 1794 but its colonies in 1848
Mexico ended slavery in 1829
England ended slavery in 1833
Dutch ended slavery in 1837
U.S. ended slavery in 1865
Cuba ended slavery in 1886
Brazil ended slavery in 1888
Egypt somewhere between 1877 and 1898
Ottoman Empire ended slavery in 1924
So, all cultures were involved with it and it still exists in Africa and some other areas.
Now my point is why do American blacks act like it is an American only problem. I guarantee you that a black person in America is far better off than in any other place. We do not need to stop trying to improve all peoples lot; however, America is not that bad a place for black people.
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You aren't this dumb
I just think it as this. These fan bases start at the core. They start with the undergraduate and graduate alumni. This is a lot of people. They are loyal and will never change whether an IU alum lives in Los Angeles, Oregon, Chicago, etc. This isn't like the NBA but certain people want to treat it that way. I didn't watch Indiana basketball because of Cody Zeller. I watched Indiana basketball because it is Indiana basketball. It's where I graduated from. That is where I think the one and doners have it wrong. There market value outside of college basketball is less than what they get in college. They get the following:
1) Tuition
2) Food paid for
3) Stipends
4) Lodging
5) Insurance
6) Trainers
7) Tutors
8) Workout facilities
9) Travel Expenses
10) AND THE BIG THINGS that everyone of these kids forget is all the free marketing they get and the network they establish from it.
The Marketing aspect has a value. Cody Zeller doesn't sell out stuff in Indiana because he was a HS player there. He sells it out because he played for Indiana. The same will go for Romeo Langford as it did for Damon Bailey.
The Networking part......They fail in the NBA. They will still be very successful in life in Indiana. Like I have said here a couple times, ask how little capital Damon Bailey has had to put into business opportunities. The marketing that he got from playing at Indiana and the networking it allowed him after the fact has provided his family with a lot of money. Same goes for a lot of Indiana players.
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The definition I cited included that people can unknowingly and incidentally enforce institutional racism. I think that's a pretty important distinction from just "racism" w/o qualification.
I've often used "institutional racism," "structural racism," and "systemic racism" interchangeably. This site differentiates between them. Specifically, it says the first two are subsets of systemic racism. I think I'll try to start using the broader term.
Here's an example from NC, and we got called on it in court: We passed a Voter ID law saying you had to have a state-issued ID to vote. It makes sense in that voting is really important and we should do what we can to prevent voter fraud (which is largely hypothetical, as it happens very rarely). It's no problem for me; I have ID and can't really imagine functioning w/o one.
BUT... there are something like 700K NC residents w/o ID, a disproportionate number of whom are people of color. (The NC GOP was found to have deliberately targeted black people w/ this law, which their state party chair called "strategy," not racism.) Even if people had completely benign reasons for supporting a law that sounds really logical in one light, that it would unduly harm people of color makes it an example of systemic racism.
I resist giving examples for a few reasons: 1, someone always wants to nitpick the example to death -- in this case, re-litigating NC's now defunct Voter ID law, which isn't the point; 2, some people act like if it wasn't intended and has any other explanation, it can't possibly be racist (and again, why qualifying the type of racism matters); and 3, it includes things that persist specifically b/c they can't be quantified: things like identical resumes except the name resulting in a callback for Mark, but no callback for DeMarktavious.
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Yet some people don't recognize racism unless it comes in that exact form, which was my point.
Congratulations on figuring out a way to work in so-called "black-on-black crime" without calling it "black-on-black crime."
And it was reported she was torn between him staying in school or entering the draft. I guess she was considering it might be best for him to be a slave for another year.
HUH?!? The last pick in the first round of the NBA draft is guaranteed $3 million over 2 years. I must not be understanding what you mean...
I'm aware of lots of perks beyond room and board that they get in college. That they can't get that kind of foundation and network anywhere else -- G League, Europe -- means college is the best route by so, so much it's tantamount to required.
But colleges are making BILLIONS of dollars off them. It's reasonable to say that having rules so strict players can't even accept a free meal, let alone get a slice of those billions, is inexcusable.
Fair-warning, I'm going to nit-pick you a little bit.. Voter turnout is way, way on the rise for African-Americans:
But seriously, 700,000 residents in North Carolina didn't have ID? Are you freaking kidding me??? If you take out the NC residents which are minors, which is roughly 25%, you're looking at roughly 7.5 million adults, which means close to 10% of adults don't have id?!? bull-hockey. I suspect that the 700,000 figure includes a large number of illegal aliens, which of course are not eligible to vote. If you don't have state-issued ID, you are just imposing a lot of unnecessary grief upon yourself
A study conducted by a political scientist at UC-San Diego found the following: "In primaries, whites and minorities vote at approximately similar rates; turnout declines for people of all races from 43 to 31 percent, as ID requirements become stricter.... there is little evidence that racial minorities are less likely than whites to vote when states institute voter identification requirements."
And you know what? Voter Fraud does exist. I'm not sure how rampant it is, but according to the Pew Reserach, 24 million active voter registrations in the U.S. are either invalid or inaccurate, 12 million records had incorrect addresses, 2 million registrants on active voting lists are dead, 2.75 million voters were registered in more than one state. It's not racist or discriminatory, it's common sense.
Is it possible to be a liberal without being perpetually enraged by petty matters?
How is pointing out that there are some people that deny racism happens unless someone runs up to someone and punches them while shouting "Take THAT, Honkey!" a petty matter?
Things like institutionalized racism, and the generational impacts of racism, are pretty big matters.
I stand corrected on the 700K. That's the number of people obstructed by other parts of the law. It's 200K that don't have ID.Fair-warning, I'm going to nit-pick you a little bit.. Voter turnout is way, way on the rise for African-Americans:
But seriously, 700,000 residents in North Carolina didn't have ID? Are you freaking kidding me??? If you take out the NC residents which are minors, which is roughly 25%, you're looking at roughly 7.5 million adults, which means close to 10% of adults don't have id?!? bull-hockey. I suspect that the 700,000 figure includes a large number of illegal aliens, which of course are not eligible to vote. If you don't have state-issued ID, you are just imposing a lot of unnecessary grief upon yourself
A study conducted by a political scientist at UC-San Diego found the following: "In primaries, whites and minorities vote at approximately similar rates; turnout declines for people of all races from 43 to 31 percent, as ID requirements become stricter.... there is little evidence that racial minorities are less likely than whites to vote when states institute voter identification requirements."
And you know what? Voter Fraud does exist. I'm not sure how rampant it is, but according to the Pew Reserach, 24 million active voter registrations in the U.S. are either invalid or inaccurate, 12 million records had incorrect addresses, 2 million registrants on active voting lists are dead, 2.75 million voters were registered in more than one state. It's not racist or discriminatory, it's common sense.
If you're registered somewhere -- let's say for several years -- then move to another state and register there, you may not be purged from the previous state's registry. That's a clerical issue, not fraud. We can certainly tighten that up. Actual fraud is rare. Here's the Heritage Foundation's Voter Fraud Database. The freakin' Heritage Foundation! It doesn't get any more conservative than that. They have just over 1000 documented cases... nationwide... this century. That's an average of about 1 fraudulent vote per state per year. Even if every single one of those votes was cast in Wyoming in the last Presidential election, it would account for less than half of 1% of Wyoming's votes.
Fraud is serious. Fraud numbers are tiny.
And this is what I meant by nitpicking, and your awareness of it doesn't change it. You wanted examples of institutional racism, which I think is a ridiculous request. I gave you one anyway and explained why I resisted. I stated that Voter ID laws make sense on one level and that I can't imagine functioning w/o an ID and I linked you to much more thorough info on why NC's law was struck down... and you're doing exactly what I said was a problem, and it has the exact effect I stated: missing the point.
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You called me out for not calling it "black-on-black crime." That is the petty matter.
Who is enraged?
I used the KKK as an example of obvious racists, not so we could talk about the KKK statistically, but you took it there anyway and downplayed them. Then you act as if mentioning the KKK was an attack on you and you counter with an out of context stat about so-called "black-on-black" crime. Are skin colors like team jerseys to you or something? Someone white does something awful and you immediately start mentioning crime statistics about black people? Seriously? What's wrong with you?
And I called you out on it using run-of-the-mill, completely calm sarcasm.
You must have missed the part where I said "I'm not sure how rampant it is." I then proceeded to give the ridiculously large numbers of potential opportunities. I'm not insinuating the numbers are anywhere near that. But if only 7 states strictly enforce photo ID, don't you think there is a pretty good possibility that there's undocumented cases of voter fraud?
Wrong #1: that was me, not theDude1.
Wrong #2: I sarcastically congratulated you on managing to talk about so-called "black-on-black" crime without calling it "black-on-black" crime.
And I elaborated in my last post.
First off, it wasn't me
Second, you included both parts of the quote.
Third, I think the issue there is that "black on black crime" has been this dog-whistle phrase used by a lot of people to try to excuse other crime, so that's why Dat picked on it. He didn't seem enraged, considering he didn't use any exclamation marks or italics or anything like that?
You cited a really stupid statistic and misidentified it as fraud. I've already explained why.
I'm sure the real numbers are considerably higher than 1000 this century. I think calculating how little that would constitute if it was in ONE year in ONE of the least populated states probably accounts for that.
If there were 1000 fraudulent votes PER ELECTORAL VOTE in just the 2016 Presidential election, there would be 538,000 fraudulent votes. Let's round down the total votes cast about 25%, from 130-something to a nice round 100 million. 538,000 fraudulent votes would be just over half of 1%. That's cheating every number heavily in favor of more fraud, and it's still that low.
There are ignorant and evil people that are a part of every culture, every country, every religion, and every race. Why did I mention that? Because the number of deaths perpetrated by the KKK is ridiculously low. It's almost non-existent (at least in the last few decades). Their actions hardly reflect the rest of society. You seem insistent on wanting us to recognize and acknowledge widespread racism. As I have said, I can recognize individual examples of racism. But racism is not pervasive in the sense that it's effecting every home, every school, every financial institution. If it were, we could easily reference statistics which show huge discrepancies in how black people were treated. I will agree with Jimbo, that on average, they're probably profiled a little more than the typical race. But is it to the point where it's endangering them? Taking away their freedom? Limiting their job prospects? I don't think so.
I have an issue with the constant race talk because it makes us ridiculous sensitive to every perceived slight or misfortune. Not all bad things stem from racism.
Hypothetical scenario. Which proves nothing. Like I said, I wasn't insinuating that number was that high, but the opportunity is certainly there. There are literally 7 states that require photo ID. You think any of the volunteers are going to know if someone is voting illegally? How could we possibly know what the actual numbers are? The biggest component for voter fraud is going to come from illegal aliens. Professors from Old Dominion conducted a study where they estimated that as many as 7.9 million non-citizens were illegally registered in 2008, and 594,000 to 5.7 million voted. Maybe that number is way too high. I don't know. The point is, this is a very practical control which fights against voter fraud.
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Was actually having this talk with @TheDude1 on 2k the other night. I think most on the right will definitely agree that blacks are profiled and treated unfairly by the police more than white people. But you are spot on in your second statement. It is definitely not endangering them, or taking away their freedoms or opportunities and things like that. Hell, colleges today give out scholarships FOR BEING A MINORITY. Forget having better grades, if you're black, you get to go to school for free, even though your scores weren't as good as whitie's.
Blacks have just as much opportunity if not more today in our society than white folks do. Companies and schools are dying trying to get as many minorities in their enrollment as possible so they look "diverse" and have equality. Blah blah blah.
The Klan was mentioned as an example of really, really, really, really obvious racism on which there is lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of agreement. That's it.
You minimized the terrorism they've perpetrated, which wasn't remotely the point.
Yes. I want you to recognize widespread racism, but you are blind.
Okay...
Ferguson.
In schools.
Housing.
Employment.
Criminal sentencing.
Tim Scott has experienced it.
From the conservative National Review.
More from National Review.
You should probably read this one after a good night's sleep.
I mean the G League if they don't want to go to Europe/Asia. Talking about one and doners. It is an NBA rule about not getting selected. College isn't making a billion dollars off of the kids. They are making it off their alumni base. If the One and Doners leave, the numbers stay the same. Why do you think IU is valued as a top 5 basketball program but has sucked balls? It isn't these awesome players or coaches. It is the base.
Anybody else see the Florida snowflakes in a tizzy over being rushed off the stage while trying to dance and stuff on stage at graduation? Has to be about race. Gotta hear both sides!
Ah, thanks for clarifying.
But, no, I don't agree that the on-court talent is so irrelevant. Indiana is a blue-blood, and it has fan loyalty and tradition and some patience. That dries up in a heartbeat at Oregon or Texas A&M if they hit a streak of down years.
I get that. We don't have some patience. We have a lot of patience. It has been 16 years since our last NC game, final four and elite 8. However, we sold out last year. We will sell out again this year. The only area that will get an uptick in revenue from getting a Romeo talent is the secondary market.
I don't know about Oregon and Texas A&M attendance...but I will use the Big 10. We had the number 1 attendance in basketball last year. The conference overall still stunk.
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