Wendell Carter's mom says......

[Bert Higginbotha]

Comparing slavery to that of a CBB player is very, very simple minded. It's also a huge injustice, and slap in the face to those who actually suffered through it. It's comments like these that will NOT allow racism to stop; Among other issues as well. When people quit blaming their failures on others, we may start to make some progress.

Excellent points Borden.


Racism will never end for the left wing as the only thing to piss and moan about is racism. People all over the world are of different races, cultures et.al. Probably the most tolerant society on Earth is the U.S. Yet when things get a lot better (which they have in my lifetime) there is less to piss and moan about, so the standard for racism changes from blatant racism that is easy to define to subtle slights. The subtle slights are where we are now dealing with racism.

Plus, the definition of racism keeps changing. The political left firmly believe that only white people can be racist and then they bend what a white person is. Latino’s are of what race? Spanish folks are white. Many folks in central and South America are mixed white and Indian. Yet to the left anyone in a “Latin American” country is not white. How do they get that? The corporation that I worked for had two offices in Mexico, Mexico City and Guadalajara. There the "Spanish" folks looked down on anyone with Indian blood. They were quite up front about it. That is blatant racism.

To your last point: It is easy to blame your failure on others, it takes a man to accept blame for what he does.

 

[KyFaninNC]

You have to be pretty dumb to think the concept of public school is unsound and that missing a single day to secure a better future for students is a bad investment.

I think the feds need to get out of the education business and let local boards run local schools. Pouring money at education has failed, kids are dumber than dirt after 12 years of public indoctrination.

And yes, if it is a scheduled school day, teachers need to be there. Protest while you are off all summer.

 

[KyFaninNC]

To be fair, there is video evidence of a Starbucks employee giving the bathroom code to white people who aren't buying anything, but refusing to give it to the black man who asked. I am not positive, but I think the black guy was a lawyer and he was making the videos to show discrimination. But.... it was only one woman who refused to give him the code. The rest of the people who he asked, gave it to him. So, it could be something, might not be.

Well that employee should be fired. I have never been in a Starbucks nor do I ever plan to go in one, so I have clue as to their rules on bathroom use. I don’t know why anyone would stop at a Starbucks just to use a restroom when every corner has a convenient store.

 

[bkingUK]

Well that employee should be fired. I have never been in a Starbucks nor do I ever plan to go in one, so I have clue as to their rules on bathroom use. I don’t know why anyone would stop at a Starbucks just to use a restroom when every corner has a convenient store.

The most interesting thing in this entire thread is that @KyFaninNC has never been in a Starbucks

 

[KyFaninNC]

The most interesting thing in this entire thread is that @KyFaninNC has never been in a Starbucks

5 bucks for a coffee, they can keep it. My 50 cent Folgers suits me just fine.

 

[bkingUK]

5 bucks for a coffee, they can keep it. My 50 cent Folgers suits me just fine.

I spend like 3 days a week in a coffee shop. They are like my offices. You always buy something if you are going to sit there. I really don't have a problem with Starbucks asking them to leave, especially if someone is taking up a table where I could put my computer.

But Folgers is god awful. Get yourself a Keurig if you're not going to a coffee shop.

 

[BasketBallJunkie-UK]

In general the Black community infrastructure is broken. Their communities lack the leadership and the ability to educate those in the community about how to improve their communities and lives. Racism is not holding them back. They're holding themselves back. Statistics prove this. I met a young man in a bar who was debating with others why black lives matter and he was pro black lives matter. It was in Sacramento CA while the whole Kappernick think was going on. Lots of 49'er fans and really upset niner fans. I didn't want this thing to escalate, so I pulled the young man aside out of the line of fire. I asked him how he was doing. Of course he had a lot of anxiety over the black lives matter argument. I asked him if he was going to college. He said yes. I asked him how he paid for it. He said he had a job. I asked him what his ambition was, he said to succeed. I told him, I did the same thing he was doing. Worked while achieving my education. I asked him how difficult it was for him to do this. He said, not really hard at all. I then asked him how many in the black community was like him? He thought about it and said not as many as there should be. I said, see you have the freedom and ability to achieve your goals. I said your community needs you and you need to continue to be a positive example. We both made a new friend that night.

 

[KyFaninNC]

I spend like 3 days a week in a coffee shop. They are like my offices. You always buy something if you are going to sit there. I really don't have a problem with Starbucks asking them to leave, especially if someone is taking up a table where I could put my computer.

But Folgers is god awful. Get yourself a Keurig if you're not going to a coffee shop.

Lol. I have one, usually run Dunkin’ Donuts coffee through it.

 

[bkingUK]

My mother taught special education in bad neighborhoods of Louisville for many years.

When I was about 10, my mom took me to school with her. While there, she had me follow one of her students around, who was about my age. Pretty sure my mom knew exactly what she was doing by asking me to follow him... So, I followed him to his locker.

I'll never forget when he started telling me how he got shot at by his girl's grandma because her grandma walked in while his pants were down.

Now, take in mind that young @bkingUK is from suburbia, where we could count the one black family in the neighborhood and our biggest problem was skateboarders in the school parking lot. My mind was blown.

My mom later explained to me that they knew that student was a drug runner for a street gang. His mom lived with a drug dealer, dad was dead. They lived in the projects, but the mom would disappear for days at a time. Kid had to raise his brother.

I guess my point in all of this is that the kid I'm talking about didn't choose to be in that situation. He was born into it and surrounded by it. And that's how it often goes down. It's easy to say that those people should just take control of their lives, but it's often really complex.

 

[ThePhog08]

Why doesn't every kid go overseas or to the g league out of high school? Oh because college get scouts at every game, to a ton of practices, puts you on tv every game and allows you to build a brand for the future. Because of college you get access to things that will allow you to make millions on millions more in your future. Exposure leading to draft stock, shoe deals, music ventures ect ect. It is future equity. It is not slavery, she is ignorant to her core. Every single kid can just go play over seas. They choose college. I think they should be paid something but saying slavery is stupid beyond reason.

 

[Dattier]

Yup. People like Datt, who refuse to call out instances like the Bennett case, definitely hurt the real cases where racism actually existed.

I agreed he seemed wrong based on the available evidence. I refused to accept that he was consciously, willfully lied. Still do. The discussion in which I butted heads primarily w/ toonces was one where he and others were assuming motivation and acting like there was some huge conspiracy to manufacture claims of racism.

 

[Dattier]

You literally believe the cops were called on those 2 black guys because they were black? Had nothing to do with the fact they refused to honor the rule that you had to order something? Rest rooms were for customers only? Had it been 2 white guys, the results would be different? You honestly believe this? If you do, you are part of the problem.

Do blacks get profiled, yes. Is it getting better, I think so. But the same things happen to whites as well, it just never makes the news.

Ferguson was used as a race shooting by blacks, Obama, and mostly by the media, even members of Congress believed it, as did pro sports teams. Rioting, looting, businesses burned down. All because one person lied. In fact we later learned it was nothing more than a cop trying to defend himself from a common criminal.

No apologies, nothing.

Is there still work to do, yes, but it will never get done till some stop blaming racism every time something bad happens to a black person.

You express doubt about the Starbuck's event as if it's crazy to think it had anything to do w/ race, then acknowledge racial profiling occurs. That's a 1-2 sequence of thoughts I've seen here repeatedly: Sure, profiling exists, but no, there is never any example of it ever.

There is no evidence that Michael Brown did not have his hands up at any point. There is therefore no evidence his friend lied. There is plenty of speculation that former Officer Darren Wilson contributed to the escalation needlessly. The grand jury deliberations were unusual in many ways.

President Obama acknowledged people's feelings around it. He never assumed anything. He stated that we should all respect our judicial process. That he understands why many black people have suspicions about police is not an anti-LEO statement.

Will the work ever get done denying every accusation of racism made by a black person?

 

[SNU0821]

You express doubt about the Starbuck's event as if it's crazy to think it had anything to do w/ race, then acknowledge racial profiling occurs. That's a 1-2 sequence of thoughts I've seen here repeatedly: Sure, profiling exists, but no, there is never any example of it ever.

There is no evidence that Michael Brown did not have his hands up at any point. There is therefore no evidence his friend lied. There is plenty of speculation that former Officer Darren Wilson contributed to the escalation needlessly. The grand jury deliberations were unusual in many ways.

President Obama acknowledged people's feelings around it. He never assumed anything. He stated that we should all respect our judicial process. That he understands why many black people have suspicions about police is not an anti-LEO statement.

Will the work ever get done denying every accusation of racism made by a black person?

Evidence in the Mike Brown case works again him in every way. The narrative that he was shot in the back, with his hands up essentially giving up, was false. The data backs that up. Eye witness accounts back that up. The destruction that was seen in Ferguson was nothing more than opportunism at it's worst. An opportunity to steal shit when all hell had broke loose. The presumed guilt of Officer Wilson peddled from the MSM and all of the liberal, race baiting pundits, that take away any sympathy people may have had toward the situation.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Michael Brown's friend admitting to lying is in fact evidence that he was lying. Right?

 

[KyFaninNC]

You express doubt about the Starbuck's event as if it's crazy to think it had anything to do w/ race, then acknowledge racial profiling occurs. That's a 1-2 sequence of thoughts I've seen here repeatedly: Sure, profiling exists, but no, there is never any example of it ever.

There is no evidence that Michael Brown did not have his hands up at any point. There is therefore no evidence his friend lied. There is plenty of speculation that former Officer Darren Wilson contributed to the escalation needlessly. The grand jury deliberations were unusual in many ways.

President Obama acknowledged people's feelings around it. He never assumed anything. He stated that we should all respect our judicial process. That he understands why many black people have suspicions about police is not an anti-LEO statement.

Will the work ever get done denying every accusation of racism made by a black person?

After reading this. I see no useful benefit from debating you any further. You refuse to accept evidence from the DOJ led by a black man and “speculate” about Wilson, when the facts prove you wrong says a lot about you.

It has become crystal clear to me that you can find racism in a 4 leaf clover. Best of luck to you and I mean that, because I really feel sorry for anyone that wallows around in self pity and sees victim hood everywhere.

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Why doesn't every kid go overseas or to the g league out of high school? Oh because college get scouts at every game, to a ton of practices, puts you on tv every game and allows you to build a brand for the future. Because of college you get access to things that will allow you to make millions on millions more in your future. Exposure leading to draft stock, shoe deals, music ventures ect ect. It is future equity. It is not slavery, she is ignorant to her core. Every single kid can just go play over seas. They choose college. I think they should be paid something but saying slavery is stupid beyond reason.

you nailed it.

 

[Dattier]

What’s funny to me is I can find countless liberal commentators making idiotic/hateful/racist comments about conservatives, and I dont see you sitting here callin them out. It’s like you expect conservatives to denounce everything some random conservative person says all while tucking tail and hiding whenever some liberal nut job says some crazy shit.

People on both sides have work to do, in general, to make this country a better place.

You have calling them out pretty well covered. What do I need to add?

 

[dukedevilz]

Racism will never stop. With 300+ million people living in this great land, there will always be members of our society that will find a reason to judge, a reason to complain, and a reason to discriminate. But is that reflective of our country, as whole, though? I would suggest that it's not.

No doubt the African-American community has been impoverished and under-served for a very long time. But this isn't the 1950's anymore. Things change. We've had a black president, and we have black chiefs of police, black officers, and black members of the armed forces. We have black CEOs, brain surgeons, doctors, and lawyers. If you are black, you are not legally restricted by anything. We're living in arguably the most prosperous country on the face of the earth and in all of human history. The opportunities are out there for anyone and everyone. On top of that, the United States is considerably more tolerant of other races. Two Swedish economists conducted a study where they polled citizens of 80 different countries. The United States was one of the most tolerant countries.

 

[Dattier]

After reading this. I see no useful benefit from debating you any further. You refuse to accept evidence from the DOJ led by a black man and “speculate” about Wilson, when the facts prove you wrong says a lot about you.

It has become crystal clear to me that you can find racism in a 4 leaf clover. Best of luck to you and I mean that, because I really feel sorry for anyone that wallows around in self pity and sees victim hood everywhere.

The entry wounds on Michael Brown's forearms prove that he did not have his hands up at the time those bullets hit him. They do not prove he never had his hands up. Pretty simple.

lol @ "DOJ led by a black man," like any conservative ever gave Holder credit for anything.

Are you denying that there is speculation about Wilson's actions? I didn't say the first thing about my personal beliefs. I said that speculation persists.

I haven't claimed racism in anything, let alone a 4-leaf clover, in any dialogue we've had.

 

[treyforuk]

The most interesting thing in this entire thread is that @KyFaninNC has never been in a Starbucks

I don't know if I have ever seen one. But I don't go looking for one either.

 

[Dattier]

...if it is a scheduled school day, teachers need to be there. Protest while you are off all summer.

That's called "lobbying." Protests are by their very definition intended to be inconvenient.

Ever had to take a break from some activity because you were injured? You take the break so you can be better in the long run. Play through an injury so, so courageously and you might hurt yourself worse. Same thing w/ educators and advocates across NC this Wednesday.

 

[Dattier]

In general the Black community infrastructure is broken. Their communities lack the leadership and the ability to educate those in the community about how to improve their communities and lives. Racism is not holding them back. They're holding themselves back. Statistics prove this. I met a young man in a bar who was debating with others why black lives matter and he was pro black lives matter. It was in Sacramento CA while the whole Kappernick think was going on. Lots of 49'er fans and really upset niner fans. I didn't want this thing to escalate, so I pulled the young man aside out of the line of fire. I asked him how he was doing. Of course he had a lot of anxiety over the black lives matter argument. I asked him if he was going to college. He said yes. I asked him how he paid for it. He said he had a job. I asked him what his ambition was, he said to succeed. I told him, I did the same thing he was doing. Worked while achieving my education. I asked him how difficult it was for him to do this. He said, not really hard at all. I then asked him how many in the black community was like him? He thought about it and said not as many as there should be. I said, see you have the freedom and ability to achieve your goals. I said your community needs you and you need to continue to be a positive example. We both made a new friend that night.

I've seen statistics showing disparities between various achievements and living conditions. What statistics prove they are holding themselves back and that racism isn't?

 

[Dattier]

Evidence in the Mike Brown case works again him in every way. The narrative that he was shot in the back, with his hands up essentially giving up, was false. The data backs that up. Eye witness accounts back that up. The destruction that was seen in Ferguson was nothing more than opportunism at it's worst. An opportunity to steal shit when all hell had broke loose. The presumed guilt of Officer Wilson peddled from the MSM and all of the liberal, race baiting pundits, that take away any sympathy people may have had toward the situation.

Yes, all evidence looks bad for Mike Brown. It does not answer every question, including whether he ever had his hands up at any point.

Rioting and destroying property is a pretty common reaction from people who don't think they have a voice. It's not contrived. We should condemn it, but we should also understand where it comes from and work to address those conditions. For example, the DOJ's investigation found all kinds of inconsistencies between how the Ferguson police and courts worked for white people and how they worked for black people.

Former Officer Wilson faced a grand jury. All media reported it. I don't think the overall tone was a presumption of guilt from the media. If they, like, interviewed citizens for their opinions, you get what you get.

 

[KyFaninNC]

That's called "lobbying." Protests are by their very definition intended to be inconvenient.

Ever had to take a break from some activity because you were injured? You take the break so you can be better in the long run. Play through an injury so, so courageously and you might hurt yourself worse. Same thing w/ educators and advocates across NC this Wednesday.

They all should be docked a days pay.

 

[Dattier]

Racism will never stop. With 300+ million people living in this great land, there will always be members of our society that will find a reason to judge, a reason to complain, and a reason to discriminate. But is that reflective of our country, as whole, though? I would suggest that it's not.

I don't think you're really in a position to judge what it reflects.

No doubt the African-American community has been impoverished and under-served for a very long time.

And they still are.

But this isn't the 1950's anymore. Things change. We've had a black president, and we have black chiefs of police, black officers, and black members of the armed forces. We have black CEOs, brain surgeons, doctors, and lawyers. If you are black, you are not legally restricted by anything. We're living in arguably the most prosperous country on the face of the earth and in all of human history. The opportunities are out there for anyone and everyone.

I agree that things have improved, but when we're focusing on what improvements are still needed, bringing that up seems like an attempt to ignore any ongoing problems.

Nothing you go on to state demonstrates anything about overall available opportunities. It's anecdotal. I've provided you with examples of how hindrances still exist despite our best intentions to eradicate racism from law.

top of that, the United States is considerably more tolerant of other races. Two Swedish economists conducted a study where they polled citizens of 80 different countries. The United States was one of the most tolerant countries.

Do you have a source for that?

 

[Dattier]

They all should be docked a days pay.

Originally they were each taking a personal day, which means you are docked the price of your sub. When their local school boards cancelled school and turned it into an optional workday b/c so many would be out, they made it so anyone with enough annual leave saved up could take it that way instead.

 

[dukedevilz]

I've seen statistics showing disparities between various achievements and living conditions. What statistics prove they are holding themselves back and that racism isn't?

They're not helping themselves out in the classroom. The graduation rate has seen an upward trend, though. I believe the graduate rate was around 66% in 2012. So that part is at least encouraging. But here are the numbers from the Department of Education:

Also, here are the average SAT scores by race (via College Board):

Asian: 1181
White: 1118
Hispanic: 990
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander: 986
Native American: 963
African-American: 941

Culturally speaking, I think it would go a long ways if African-Americans focused on the family. Even President Obama acknowledged this: "More than half of all black children live in single-parent households, a number that has doubled — doubled — since we were children." In 1960, the year before Obama was born, 22 percent of black children lived with single parents. In 1968, the number rose to 31.4 percent. By 2006, the 1960 percentage had more than doubled to 56 percent. The national average for single parent homes is 28% (in 2006), so African-Americans risk factor is double the norm for America.

I mentioned this statistic earlier, but I think it's worth noting: only 7% of Two-Parent African-American households are living in poverty; conversely, about 22% of single white households are living in poverty. How about we start with a stable home life for the kids? That would go a long ways.

 

[dukedevilz]

I don't think you're really in a position to judge what it reflects.

Um... what? I use statistics, that's how I form my judgments. So who is in the right to judge? Because 1 person cannot speak for 300 million+ people.

Do you have a source for that?

Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ly-tolerant-countries/?utm_term=.e8a5bd6f8fc8

 

[Dattier]

They're not helping themselves out in the classroom.

They're not performing as well in the classroom. What evidence do you have of their "not helping themselves"?

Culturally speaking, I think it would go a long ways if African-Americans focused on the family. Even President Obama acknowledged this: "More than half of all black children live in single-parent households, a number that has doubled — doubled — since we were children." In 1960, the year before Obama was born, 22 percent of black children lived with single parents. In 1968, the number rose to 31.4 percent. By 2006, the 1960 percentage had more than doubled to 56 percent. The national average for single parent homes is 28% (in 2006), so African-Americans risk factor is double the norm for America.

Why has that happened?

 

[Dattier]

Um... what? I use statistics, that's how I form my judgments. So who is in the right to judge? Because 1 person cannot speak for 300 million+ people.

The bold is what I meant. Your conclusion is opinion based on your personal interpretation of stats and your own experience.

 

[Dattier]

Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ly-tolerant-countries/?utm_term=.e8a5bd6f8fc8

I was looking more for the original source, but I can take it from here...

 

[dukedevilz]

The bold is what I meant. Your conclusion is opinion based on your personal interpretation of stats and your own experience.

Mother of Pearl. So now you have an issue with how I interpret data and figures? Obviously there can always be sampling errors, but you seem much more interested in 7-8 specific examples of racism versus globs and globs of data that I presented... If large amounts of data can't speak for 300 million people than neither can your limited number of isolated examples.

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Racism will never stop. With 300+ million people living in this great land, there will always be members of our society that will find a reason to judge, a reason to complain, and a reason to discriminate. But is that reflective of our country, as whole, though? I would suggest that it's not.

No doubt the African-American community has been impoverished and under-served for a very long time. But this isn't the 1950's anymore. Things change. We've had a black president, and we have black chiefs of police, black officers, and black members of the armed forces. We have black CEOs, brain surgeons, doctors, and lawyers. If you are black, you are not legally restricted by anything. We're living in arguably the most prosperous country on the face of the earth and in all of human history. The opportunities are out there for anyone and everyone. On top of that, the United States is considerably more tolerant of other races. Two Swedish economists conducted a study where they polled citizens of 80 different countries. The United States was one of the most tolerant countries.

Thanks for your post.

In the US the "grievance industry" must conger up racism to keep their jobs. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, John Louis and many others lose their influence if racism goes away; therefore, if they can’t find it they invent it.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Um... what? I use statistics, that's how I form my judgments. So who is in the right to judge? Because 1 person cannot speak for 300 million+ people.



Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ly-tolerant-countries/?utm_term=.e8a5bd6f8fc8

Wasting your time

 

[dukedevilz]

Wasting your time

lol agreed.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

What I learned today? @dukedevilz is a racist.

 

[dukedevilz]

What I learned today? @dukedevilz is a racist.

My racism has no bounds... And statistics are inherently racist. That goes without saying. Thanks a lot, Obama!

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

My racism has no bounds... And statistics are inherently racist. That goes without saying. Thanks a lot, Obama!

Statistically and systematically racist. You arr inherently privileged.

 

[KyFaninNC]

What I learned today? @dukedevilz is a racist.

Apparently we all are.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Apparently we all are.

If you wake up white, you are the problem. And until you acknowledge that you are the problem, you will never be the solution to the problem.