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Warriors just signed DeMarcus Cousins. Wow

Not every franchise is The Lakers , Knicks or Celtics
Great.....so can you tell us finally which NBA team did not keep a stud player after his rookie deal ran out since they have been under this type of format with max deals and guys being restricted after their rookie deals?

Are the Cavs a large market? They not only paid Lebron max money, but also paid it to Love and Kyrie. OKC has now paid max $$ to Westbrook and PG.
 
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Great.....so can you tell us finally which NBA team did not keep a stud player after his rookie deal ran out since they have been under this type of format with max deals and guys being restricted after their rookie deals?

Are the Cavs a large market? They not only paid Lebron max money, but also paid it to Love and Kyrie. OKC has now paid max $$ to Westbrook and PG.
Yea and they only had to pay Kyrie 5 yr 90 mill then traded him after 2 years. Lebron has not taken anywhere near max money with any of his contracts until this last one with the Cavs and his new LA deal . Cavs extended him 3 years 43 mill the first go around. It's also Lebron James the best player in the league for the last decade. Of course you extend him. Salaries have jumped to a stratosphere that can really handicap you unless you pay luxury tax out the ass and are winning titles every other year or 2. How did that work for the Cavs? Gilbert paid 131 mill in luxury tax last 3 years. Same as the rest of the league combined.
 
Ok is it a good investment to lock up 90+ mill on 3 players to be the 4th or 5th seed in the West?
who is locking up $90 mil on 3 players to be 4th or 5th? I doubt Minnesota pays Wiggins a max deal.

But if they did have 3 worthy players, are you saying let them go because they MIGHT not be higher than a 4th seed? Never mind you don't know this.
 
Yea and they only had to pay Kyrie 5 yr 90 mill then traded him after 2 years. Lebron has not taken anywhere near max money with any of his contracts until this last one with the Cavs and his new LA deal . Cavs extended him 3 years 43 mill the first go around. It's also Lebron James the best player in the league for the last decade. Of course you extend him. Salaries have jumped to a stratosphere that can really handicap you unless you pay luxury tax out the ass and are winning titles every other year or 2. How did that work for the Cavs? Gilbert paid 131 mill in luxury tax last 3 years. Same as the rest of the league combined.
Cavs have given Lebron the max allowable in all his deals here. 3 years, 43 mil was max in money per year at the time....this was a decade ago.

Had they needed to pay Kyrie $30 mil they'd have done it. The max is the max...if it goes up the cap is also higher.

Gilbert won a title and the cavs played in 3 other Finals. I'd bet he'd say it worked out fine. More titles would have been better, but if you don't have a will to win you shouldn't own a pro team.
 
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who is locking up $90 mil on 3 players to be 4th or 5th? I doubt Minnesota pays Wiggins a max deal.

But if they did have 3 worthy players, are you saying let them go because they MIGHT not be higher than a 4th seed? Never mind you don't know this.
Wiggins is already signed to a 5 year 146.5 mill deal starting next season.
 
Cavs have given Lebron the max allowable in all his deals here. 3 years, 43 mil was max in money per year at the time....this was a decade ago.

Had they needed to pay Kyrie $30 mil they'd have done it. The max is the max...if it goes up the cap is also higher.

Gilbert won a title and the cavs played in 3 other Finals. I'd bet he'd say it worked out fine. More titles would have been better, but if you don't have a will to win you shouldn't own a pro team.
My point is what the max is based on the salary cap has gotten out of hand.
 
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Wiggins is already signed to a 5 year 144 mill deal starting next season.
I think they overpaid him, but if they were willing to pay him that amount I'd be even more certain they will pay the max to KAT and Butler if he proves to be healthy....though Butler might leave.
 
My point is what the max is based on the salary cap has gotten out of hand.
Not really, as the cap has gone way up as well. If you want to say both have gotten out of hand that seems more reasonable.....though each is based on money coming in, so if the money comes in it's good they spend it.
 
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Not really, as the cap has gone way up as well. If you want to say both have gotten out of hand that seems more reasonable.....though each is based on money coming in, so if the money comes in it's good they spend it.
Next FA it's 109 mill I believe. 101 Mill this year.
 
yep...heard 109, then 116.

This current one at 101 only went up from 99.
Plus they are paying Jeff Teague thru 2019-2020 because he won't turn down that 19 mill player option. Say Butler does too at 20 million. So 2019-2020 Minnesota could have a little over 100 mill in 4 guys for that season. That's dumb and I think paying Towns 30 mill a year in that market with no realistic chance to win a title is dumb.
 
Plus they are paying Jeff Teague thru 2019-2020 because he won't turn down that 19 mill player option. Say Butler does too at 20 million. So 2019-2020 Minnesota could have a little over 100 mill in 4 guys for that season. That's dumb and I think paying Towns 30 mill a year in that market with no realistic chance to win a title is dumb.
well maybe they will call and ask your opinion, but my opinion is almost zero chance they would let KAT get away.
 
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Not every franchise is The Lakers , Knicks or Celtics

Literally every franchise in the NBA would pay KAT the max. It's not even a close question.

Ok is it a good investment to lock up 90+ mill on 3 players to be the 4th or 5th seed in the West?

No, but the solution is to acquire more good contracts and get rid of bad contracts. KAT on a max is a good contract. The Wiggins contract is the problematic one, and it will be difficult to move. It is because of Wiggins that they might end up having to let Butler go, but not KAT. There are 3 reasons: 1) KAT is cheaper on a max than Butler is (max increases by experience); 2) they have control over KAT (Butler will opt-out to become unrestricted); and 3) KAT is younger and more likely to live up to his contract, which takes him through his prime, than Butler, who will be post-prime for most of his next contract.

My point is what the max is based on the salary cap has gotten out of hand.

So you would rather billionaire NBA owners have the revenue than millionaire players? Weird position. Also what players receive is set at a % of basketball related revenues, so unless/until the CBA is redone, it is what it is.

Plus they are paying Jeff Teague thru 2019-2020 because he won't turn down that 19 mill player option. Say Butler does too at 20 million. So 2019-2020 Minnesota could have a little over 100 mill in 4 guys for that season. That's dumb and I think paying Towns 30 mill a year in that market with no realistic chance to win a title is dumb.

First, Butler is not opting in for $20m unless he suffers a catastrophic injury.

Second, KAT at the max is a good value contract. Period. The dude is already an elite offensive player, is 22, and has missed zero games his first three seasons. He's a top 5 trade asset in the entire league, in no small part because the team that has him basically has him locked up for the next 6-7 years (through his prime). Even on a max contract, he provides surplus value.

Third, in that scenario the "dumb" part is paying Wiggins a max because that is a negative value contract (Deng's contract is also terrible).

Fourth, Teague's contract expires after the 2019-20 season, so the financial pain that you've described is for only 1 year. Would you trade one year of luxury tax payments for 5 years of KAT on a good value contract? Yes. Yes. Yes. Every. Single. Time. It would be colossally stupid to do otherwise (see Harden, James). And all that assumes that the Wolves cannot move on from Deng or Wiggins, and that Butler resigns for a large sum, and that the Wolves think the world is ending in 365 days.

Let's be clear: the alternative (which by negative implication is the one you think is smart) is to let KAT go for nothing. That's ludicrous.
 
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well maybe they will call and ask your opinion, but my opinion is almost zero chance they would let KAT get away.

It's maddening. He's advocating that because the Wolves made other bad decisions (Wiggins, Deng), they should not make a good one (giving KAT the max). It makes zero sense, and it has zero chance of playing out how he envisions. Zero.
 
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It's maddening. He's advocating that because the Wolves made other bad decisions (Wiggins, Deng), they should not make a good one (giving KAT the max). It makes zero sense, and it has zero chance of playing out how he envisions. Zero.
It is odd....though isn't Deng on LA?
 
Considering they signed Wiggins to a long term extension prior to the start of the season. You would think they would extend the same to Towns? If it doesn't get done before season starts it could get interesting. You have the fact Thibs didn't draft him , Thibs guy Butler has reports swirling that he thinks KAT is soft. Keep in mind Thibs is also President of basketball operations. It's not what's most likely to happen but it's not impossible either.
 
Considering they signed Wiggins to a long term extension prior to the start of the season. You would think they would extend the same to Towns? If it doesn't get done before season starts it could get interesting. You have the fact Thibs didn't draft him , Thibs guy Butler has reports swirling that he thinks KAT is soft. Keep in mind Thibs is also President of basketball operations. It's not what's most likely to happen but it's not impossible either.
It's not impossible they discover me in my Saturday pickup game and think they need a 6-0, 48-year-old white guy who can only go left, but has a nice jumper (if you can call it jumping), and is a willing passer and rebounder

However, as has been pointed out, no perennial all star players have ever not been resigned by the team who drafted him.
 
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It is odd....though isn't Deng on LA?

Misspelled Dieng. He's making like $16m/year for the next 3 years, and he's not that good.

Spacegrass, MN can sign KAT to an extension now or later. If it's not done before the season, it's not foreclosed at all. And if Thibs even still has the power within the organization to try to get rid of KAT (I don't think he could; reportedly the owner stepped into the Wiggins negotiations and would presumably do so with the much better KAT), it would be via trade.
 
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It's not impossible they discover me in my Saturday pickup game and think they need a 6-0, 48-year-old white guy who can only go left, but has a nice jumper (if you can call it jumping), and is a willing passer and rebounder

However, as has been pointed out, no perennial all star players have ever not been resigned by the team who drafted him.
Yea it pretty much is.
 
Misspelled Dieng. He's making like $16m/year for the next 3 years, and he's not that good.

Spacegrass, MN can sign KAT to an extension now or later. If it's not done before the season, it's not foreclosed at all. And if Thibs even still has the power within the organization to try to get rid of KAT (I don't think he could; reportedly the owner stepped into the Wiggins negotiations and would presumably do so with the much better KAT), it would be via trade.
That's why owners own and don't need to be involved with running the organization.
 
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Just came accross this article. Oh my....

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-plan-whole-nother-level-lebron-james-arrival

the way Magic is treated compared to the cavs FO. You'd think his publicist wrote this article. Cavs FO listens to Lebron and they get ripped for it, and said Lebron undermines them.

They want guys who can not only shoot, but create off the dribble, and so far they added 3 guys who can each, at best, do one of those things around Lebron? author also mentioned Stephenson and McGee and high basketball IQ together. I think they could bring in Ira Newble and he'd be called the 3 and D guy they need to get over the top.

Never mind he called Rondo a great locker room guy.
 
wonder if someone is not upset Lebron is gone.....

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