Since 2000, Big 10 has been impressive as any league
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EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
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It's better than losing at home to St. Bonaventure in the NIT......
It's better than losing at home to St. Bonaventure in the NIT......
True. You had a better season than UVA. Congrats on being one of like 75 teams.
EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
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You are ignored dumbass.
That's what that clown does. He can dish it out but he can't take it so I'm thinking he's got a lot of peeps on ignore. Bitch move if you ask me.
Thanks @hawkit3113
bMORE is one insulting dude.
I feel for someone that pitiful.
But you can only take so much shit.
You are 100% correct questioning the integrity of the ACC.
I use to think they were on the up and up, but as time goes on, it doesn't look that way.
Well…it is 5 different teams from the ACC to make a title game since 2000. And a 6th team had their best team ever that was one of the favorites in 2020 canceled year.
So…the SEC has had three teams leave (one to the ACC), while the ACC has had 1 team leave. And it’s the ACC that has teams come and go?
No lie, hell the louisville team they beat in the FF was a helluva team in its own right, just not as good as illini, and neither was as good as unc. Super stacked FF though.
2009 MSU won the Big Ten and was a 2 seed. They beat the following teams in the NCAAT.
Round 32: USC - PAC 10 Tournament Champion
Sweet 16: Kansas - 3 Seed Big 12 Regular Season and Tournament Champion
Elite 8: Louisville - Overall 1 seed and Big East Regular Season and Tournament Champion
Final Four: UCONN - 1 Seed Big East Runner Up
Championship - 1 Seed UNC ACC Regular Season Champion
It’s arguably the most difficult run you could draw up for any team to win a championship. There’s no way 2009 MSU was lucky to be there.
Yep. Georgia Tech had to go to a conference where they may win a game every once in a while.
Maryland went to the B1G for stability and football money.
All the other teams that flocked to the ACC were trying to find a home when several weak conferences were in flux.
Arkansas, Missouri, South Carolina and Texas A&M we solid additions to the SEC.
Arkansas, Missouri, and Texas A&M we’re literally fleeing a conference that was in flux and at times looked on the brink of dissolving. (Arkansas, from the SWC, actually had their conference disappear).
South Carolina was a worthless independent that brought nothing but auto wins to the league for years.
Oh and Georgia Tech finished ranked in the top 15 in football in 8 of the final 13 years they were in the SEC with multiple of those years being in the top 5.
09 MSU was a really good team. Ran into UNC in the finals.
That MSU team beat 1 seed Louisville and 1 seed UConn to make the finals. UNC was just another level that year from the field
Impressive since 21st century as a whole? Yes.
Impressive this season? No.
Impressive this season? No.
Where did the ACC gets it johnny-come-lately teams? Syracuse, Notre Dame (basketball) and Louisville have been in several conferences. Boston College and Miami and FSU have been in several. Vagabonds. South Carolina was a worthless independent that has an 80,000 seat facility they they usually sell out.
The next thing you are going to tell me is that the ACC football is now better than the SEC and makes more money. Hell I will bet the stadiums in the ACC are bigger and better than the SEC's.
Anyway, congrats on the ACC still having three basketball team in the NCAA. The SEC crapped the bed this year in the NCAA.
There is no world in which the ACC is better in football than the SEC. Some years there might be 1-2 ACC teams better than most or all SEC teams, but certainly not the conference as a whole.
Obviously in basketball the ACC is better, even if there might be 1-2 teams in the SEC better than most or all ACC teams in one specific year.
As for “Johnny Come Lately” teams…lol. Sure Louisville has been in a few conferences…and also won national titles. But Arkansas, Texas A&M, UT, and OU have been in several conferences too. Not sure what your point is.
And FSU joined decades ago. Hard to call that Johnny come lately.
Notre Dame? I like our partnership. We have some great rivalries with them and the 5-6 football games they play a year is basically the same number of conference games that the SEC played in the 80s.
ND and FSU have had some incredible battles on the hard court and their fans travel well. It’s been a good fit.
Good post GENole; however, Notre Dame is screwing over the ACC. They get all the basketball gravy and will not share their football gravy.
Notre Dame should be kicked out of the ACC until they man up and join in football, but they are not about to share the money. The ACC knows this and still accept them.
I am an old man. I even vaguely remember the creation of the ACC as my dad was a basketball fan 44 years my senior. In 1953 I was 7 years old. I listened to radio with my dad. He told me stories about Kentucky playing in the old "Southern Conference" with those teams. He was intrigued by the ACC creation.
Original members: Clemson, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, North Carolina State, South Carolina, and Wake Forest.
It is a fact that since 1953 the ACC has not been that stable. They have lost two of the seven original schools (SEC has only lost 3 with two more decades of existance). The ACC has gone through more changes in the last 10 years than any of the other major leagues.
South Carolina was an ACC member and left in 1971. Why? I think it was for greener pastures.
Maryland left in what 2014? Greener pastures and more football money.
Georgia Tech left the Metro for the ACC in 1978: big whoop. You told me that they dominated the SEC in football. Why in hell did they leave? I don't even see Georgia Tech doing anything in football or basketball in the ACC. Am I wrong?
Florida State left the Metro and joined the ACC in 1991: Big deal for the ACC they had their second good football team. Of course now Florida State can't fill half of their football stadium.
Miami and Va Tech joined in 2004. Football powers. Of course they ain't done shit yet in the ACC. Hell even Kentucky beat VA Tech in a bowl game a couple years ago.
Boston College joined in 2005. No one noticed! Was that for football or basketball?
Syracuse and Pittsburgh, old Big East teams joined in 2011. Wow. What did the ACC get out of that?
Louisville another old Metro and Big East team and all other worthless conferences, joins in 2014. Was that basketball or football?
I just look at the ACC as a basketball conference with a little history in football by one original team and another one that they imported. Plus that ACC basketball power status started really late.
Sorry but facts are facts.
Ouch
big 10 should have jumped all over us when they had the chance. Now the big 12 is just gonna alpha up it’s b-ball to maximum
We gonna see 2 2023 big 12 schools in final four just like last year?
Claiming the accomplishments of teams that are not yet in ur conference is laughable.
As for berts nonsense, if the ACC had been so unstable since 1950 how in the world is it the premiere basketball conference 70 years later. 5 diff teams with a title this century is more than most conferences have total, including the SEC.
We get sec is the best football conference. Doesnt mean jack shit when it comes to basketball. FFS how have duke, uk, and kansas been so good when their football programs have been mainly trash. Or nova and uconn when they dont even play D1 football.
West coast was bad this year but I’ll give them a little bit of a pass for killing it last year.
B1G mostly sucked both years.
I think we have different definitions of stable. Teams seeking to join a conference is a sign that conference is stable. Both the SEC and the ACC are among the most stable conferences in the country over the last 75 years. Whereas as conferences like the SWC, the Big 12, the Big East, and the American have been unstable.
Regarding South Carolina, they left because of absolute and unbridled hatred for Tobacco Road. Goes back to politics in the post civil war days.
Maryland’s athletic program was broke because of complete mismanagement. Don’t forget, they won a national title in basketball while in the ACC and also played in another Final Four. But their athletic director was a fool. They still have their issues. The ACC got addition by subtraction with them. Locker room cancer.
If I recall, Georgia Tech left the SEC because of some beef with Bama and the Bama President. They didn’t like all the over signing going on and decided to leave. But make no mistake Tech was consistently beating Bama, Tennessee, UGA, and Auburn at the time.
While in the ACC, Tech has won a football national title and also played for a hoops title. They aren’t Clemson or UNC, but they are solid.
I like the UL and Cuse additions. It doesn’t matter how many conferences UL has been in, just like it doesn’t matter how many Texas has been in (SEC will be the third since 1995). The bottom line is, UL is a massive and good athletic program. I get they are UK’s rival so it’s not something you want to admit. And obviously UK is better all time in hoops. But UL has a heisman winner, multiple hoops titles, great baseball teams, and more.
Cuse needs to dump Jim Boehiem but they at least are a historical hoops Power and had some very good teams when they first joined the league.
Now BC and Pitt, I wasn’t a fan of. BC adds nothing and Pitt is more of a pro town. I would be fine if both left the ACC. But I imagine the Big 10 feels the same about Rutgers and Maryland, and the SEC feels similar about South Carolina and Mizzou. And again, programs WANTING to join the league isn’t a sign of instability. It’s a sign that the conference has staying power.
ND, you’re wrong on. We got added revenue when they joined, because when ND plays road games in football every year we get all the money from it. They are a ratings machine. Plus, eventually they will join in football too.
A bunch of old liberal dinosaurs that think we are elite.
The Big 10 Presidents hate sports and being known for them.
The Big 10 Presidents hate sports and being known for them.
She nearly single handily took down your entire athletic department. It was crazy. Never seen anything like it.
I like you, Noah. Great poster. I was treated pretty poorly by Maryland fans/students when I competed in College Park, but you don’t seem anything like that.
Still, I loved watching Maryland Basketball under Gary Williams. Juan Dixon, Lonnie Baxter, and Steve Blake—one of the best team’s I’ve ever seen play up close and in person. But wow did Debbie Yow mess y’all up.
Wow. 1990 Georgia Tech split a championship with Colorado. Plus in my memory they never won the SEC in football. I did a check and they won the SEC in 1951 and 1952. You have to go back to time before the ACC existed to find Georgia Tech winning the SEC. They were minor period.
Why not require total inclusion? What about the NBC money for football telecast rights? That goes to Notre Dame. They are using the ACC like a whore.
Notre Dame will fully join the ACC when the ACC grows a pair of balls and tells them it is all or nothing. Plus Notre Dame has not won a title since 1988 so why does the ACC treat them like royalty?
My nonsense?
Fact: the ACC was not formed until 1953.
Fact: the ACC won it first NCAA in basketball in 1957. Their second title in 1974. Duke won their first in 1991.
Fact: Kentucky football is not trash; however, I agree that Kansas and Duke football programs are pure trash and draw no fans. You can't say that about Kentucky.
I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say about Tech. They left the SEC in 1964 so yeah, you have to go back a ways to find their SEC days. They finished in the top 13 of the country in 8 of their last 13 years. They were 9-4 against UGA and 7-4 I think against Bama in their last 11 years. Clearly they weren’t a bad program.
And then yes, they won a title in 1990. Had some other good years in the 90s too. And then their hoops has had some great teams over the years.
ND doesn’t share the NBC money. That’s cool. It was a deal made before they joined. They will likely join in full when conference champs get auto-bids to the playoffs. In the meantime, I enjoy them. We get to play them frequently which is fun. And the basketball games have been great. I like having them as a 90% member. So I guess agree to disagree on that one.
GE Nole you are a great poster, but Notre Dame is playing the ACC like a fiddle.
Do you really think that the B1G or SEC would take Notre Dame in basketball and not football? No way.
I don’t know if they would or wouldn’t. But again, that’s not really what I’m trying to argue. I haven’t really said anything negative about the Big 10 or SEC. Both of them are good conferences that other programs seek to join.
The SEC is a football power, particularly if you just look at the last 20-30 years. They also have one of the greatest all time hoops programs, another couple of programs with consistent hoops success, great baseball and softball, and large, passionate fan bases. Sure there are a few programs that don’t add all that much to the league athletically (Vanderbilt, SCar, the Mississippi schools), but there are bottom feeders in every league.
The Big 10 hasn’t had the national championships in football and basketball that other conferences have had over the last 25 years, but they are a deep conference with massive fanbases, and generally compete well in a large variety of sports. They also have a few programs that don’t bring much to the table athletically (Northwestern, Rutgers, Minnesota, and recently Nebraska) but again, all conferences have a few.
The ACC is sort of like a combo of the two. More top end football success than the Big 10, but not the depth. Historical basketball powers like the SEC has with Kentucky, and also a few other programs that are consistently good. Very good in baseball too, and probably the best soccer in the country.
Would the Big 10 take 90% of Notre Dame? Idk. The reality is, Notre Dame can’t stand the Big 10 so it’s a moot point. They will never join there.
I’m sure the SEC would thumb their nose, but that’s cool. Different strokes for different folks. From MY personal perspective, I enjoy our rivalry with Notre Dame and I enjoy my road trips to South Bend every few years. So I’m happy to have them in our league.
Delaney adding Rutgers accomplished what ND claimed they owned and would have brought to the table, the NYC market. It wasn't all RU, but they were a huge piece.
We have no need for ND now
We have no need for ND now
