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I filter for the most qualified applicants (I’m assuming we’re talking about jobs with hundreds of applicants). Interview those people. Hire the most qualified of the most qualified. Within that subset of the most qualified individuals, there will undoubtedly be diversity in race and gender, so no worries there.

That is the correct way to go about it. Think just about every conservative ITT would agree with that. There will naturally be diversity within the best selections. You don't need to force diversity. However, your above statement is not congruent with what you said previously.

If I’m playing a basketball game and find out the ref was purposefully giving the other team calls for the whole first half, I’m not going to say it’s fair if he agrees to call the game fairly for the 2nd half. The only fair thing to do would be to call the game in my favor for the 2nd half.

We have issues when someone wants to pre-select the gender and the race. In Biden's case, there were 28 other prominent individuals that put their name in the running for the DNC presidential candidate. Kamala Harris and Tulsi Gabbard were the only women of color. He was effectively eliminating more than 90% of the pool of candidates.
 
That is the correct way to go about it. Think just about every conservative ITT would agree with that. There will naturally be diversity within the best selections. You don't need to force diversity. However, your above statement is not congruent with what you said previously.



We have issues when someone wants to pre-select the gender and the race. In Biden's case, there were 28 other prominent individuals that put their name in the running for the DNC presidential candidate. Kamala Harris and Tulsi Gabbard were the only women of color. He was effectively eliminating more than 90% of the pool of candidates.

I think our disconnect is you are operating under the assumption that Vice Presidents have historically been selected based on who would be good at being Vice President.

They’re selected based on who will gain votes for the President.
 
I think our disconnect is you are operating under the assumption that Vice Presidents have historically been selected based on who would be good at being Vice President.

They’re selected based on who will gain votes for the President.

Yes, I understand that. I was just using the VP as an example. Realistically, dozens of people could sufficiently occupy that position.

I'm more concerned if something like that happens that in the job hiring process for a normal company. Especially if it's a larger company which feels the pressure of hiring dozens of individuals who fit the "diversity" profile. An equal opportunity employer and affirmative action seem mutually exclusive to me. You can have diversity of course, but it needs to be merit-based.
 
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In sales, it's all performance based. The nicest person in the world will get canned if they don't perform.

Nature of the beast.
 
Sales is relentless.

Last quarter's top salesman can be shoved out the door this quarter.
They sure and hell aren't in business to pay employees draws.

(a draw is a little money per week to get you by until the good monthly check comes in.)

and yeah, they don't give af about last month.
 
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Yes, I understand that. I was just using the VP as an example. Realistically, dozens of people could sufficiently occupy that position.

I'm more concerned if something like that happens that in the job hiring process for a normal company. Especially if it's a larger company which feels the pressure of hiring dozens of individuals who fit the "diversity" profile. An equal opportunity employer and affirmative action seem mutually exclusive to me. You can have diversity of course, but it needs to be merit-based.

I’ve been in on a dozen or so hiring decisions. I’ve worked at two pretty large publicly traded companies.

The most qualified candidate gets picked every time. Some people’s jobs depend on picking competent employees. They don’t risk their job security for the sake of diversity.

Affirmative action, in practice, works as a tie-breaker. If you have a male and female applicant, both with Masters degrees, both with 4.0 gpa’s, both with impressive interviews, both good fits personality-wise for the department, both with equal experience, the woman MIGHT get the nod over the man if the department already skews heavily male. If the split is already pretty even in the department, the winner will be picked by who smells nicer or who has cooler shoes. I’m being hyperbolic, but it’s okay at that point to pick based on some highly subjective inconsequential factor.

The same goes for race, age, sexual preference, whatever.
 
Affirmative action, in practice, works as a tie-breaker. If you have a male and female applicant, both with Masters degrees, both with 4.0 gpa’s, both with impressive interviews, both good fits personality-wise for the department, both with equal experience, the woman MIGHT get the nod over the man if the department already skews heavily male.
That sucks for dude who worked his ass off.
 
This conversation reminds that Sarah Palin was a thing lol.
McCain was a terrible candidate who chose a running mate based on the same (at least similar) ill logic that the current POTATUS used. The conversation was relevant then just like it is now. The "both sides do it" argument doesn't change the fact that no matter which side does stupid things, stupid things are stupid things.

The guy with random numbers and letters as a screen name has a hard time grasping this.
 
The most qualified candidate gets picked every time. Some people’s jobs depend on picking competent employees. They don’t risk their job security for the sake of diversity.

Affirmative action, in practice, works as a tie-breaker. If you have a male and female applicant, both with Masters degrees, both with 4.0 gpa’s, both with impressive interviews, both good fits personality-wise for the department, both with equal experience, the woman MIGHT get the nod over the man if the department already skews heavily male. If the split is already pretty even in the department, the winner will be picked by who smells nicer or who has cooler shoes. I’m being hyperbolic, but it’s okay at that point to pick based on some highly subjective inconsequential factor.

And that's how it should be.

I've heard from others that the most qualified isn't always picked. Hopefully those are just a few rare exceptions.
 
That sucks for dude who worked his ass off.
If you’re equally qualified, there should be no reason to expect to get the job over the other equally qualified person. There’s no guarantee the guy doesn’t get picked anyway.

This idea that white men are losing out left and right to women and minorities just doesn’t ring true in my experience.
 
If you’re equally qualified, there should be no reason to expect to get the job over the other equally qualified person. There’s no guarantee the guy doesn’t get picked anyway.

This idea that white men are losing out left and right to women and minorities just doesn’t ring true in my experience.
I could easily get replaced by a Phillipino boy who goes by Mary, if he can sell better than me.

I don't like the idea of him getting hired over me because he's a he/she.

Could you imagine a world that a white guy hired over some because he's a white guy? That'd be messed up.
 
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