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Place to put my Nonsense Thread.

Are you suggesting that the attitude towards cops hasn't taken a huge turn in a negative direction over the past few years, last year in particular?

Maybe? Stats don't back up his point that cops are being targeted more.

@brooky03 if a cop went on a racist tirade while he/she was off duty, do you think he/she should keep their job as a cop?

What a dumb hypothetical. The cop would keep their job so your point is moot. Just like a teachers union will likely protect that dumb fvck, the police unions keep bad officers from losing their jobs.
 
@brooky03 if a cop went on a racist tirade while he/she was off duty, do you think he/she should keep their job as a cop?

Probably not, because a cop is in a position to harm people. Teachers aren’t in a position to harm people. That said, will a racist tirade get you fired from most jobs? Yes. Do I have a problem with that? No
 
That wasn’t my reaction to the video. My reaction was:
“If you retire/quit because of people like this, law enforcement probably wasn’t the career for you.”

Want to try again?

Followed by “he knew what he was signing up for” in a later post.
 
In my experience, teachers don’t talk about their personal lives much or at all and political discussions are practically nonexistent. If she’s espousing hatred instead of teaching whatever she is supposed to be teaching, then she’s not doing her job and should be fired. If she’s doing her job, then she should probably keep it.

Kids aren’t as easily indoctrinated by teachers as is suggested, imo. Students have enough difficulty paying attention to the stuff they’re supposed to be learning, they’re not going to be too interested in retaining Mrs. Karen’s opinions about life.
The dude says he talks politics all the time and he is a grade school teacher.
 
Fair enough. Didn't realize a significant portion was due to COVID. I read that 264 were killed, so I presumed that meant homicide. Regardless, cops are leaving the service at unprecedented rates, leaving police departments with huge vacancies. What about the fact that 72% of cops are less likely to stop and question suspicious persons? They're not going out of their way to potentially put themselves in harms way. It is well known that cops don't patrol certain areas because they absolutely would be seen as a target. My brother took this picture a few years ago. Looks pretty clear to me.

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And with all of the negative publicity that LEO are receiving, it's hard to imagine they can recruit 20 year-olds at a rate which will offset all of the losses. Bottom line, cops are leaving and it's not good for public safety when there are fewer cops on the street. We need to do our part and respecting those who put their lives on the line everyday.

Lol at this goalpost moving. What qualifies as suspicious persons? Because harassing regular people because they look "suspicious" makes no sense either. If cops don't patrol certain areas they are assigned to then they shouldn't be cops. And if that's who is leaving the force there is no real loss.

I hope you do your part and respect all the workers who do jobs are more dangerous too. A quick Google search told me they were 22nd in job safety rankings last year. Dangerous, but not as bad as other industries.


Damn I was wrong you found a few. Though I guarantee you all of them are working in a town nearby. When officers do get fired they get hired almost immediately elsewhere. Not sure why it matters much though, if you go on racist rants odds are you deserve to lose your job.
 
Probably not, because a cop is in a position to harm people. Teachers aren’t in a position to harm people. That said, will a racist tirade get you fired from most jobs? Yes. Do I have a problem with that? No
There are positions that don't need to be filled by racist pieces of shit like that woman. Teachers and cops are two. It's not about what kind of threat they posses or what kind of harm they can cause. You don't want a racist cop because you can't trust them provide equal and fair treatment towards citizens of all demographics. Same with not being able to trust racist teachers to provide equal and fair education to all demographics.
 
Lol at this goalpost moving. What qualifies as suspicious persons? Because harassing regular people because they look "suspicious" makes no sense either. If cops don't patrol certain areas they are assigned to then they shouldn't be cops. And if that's who is leaving the force there is no real loss.

I hope you do your part and respect all the workers who do jobs are more dangerous too.

People aren't suspicious, behavior is. Loitering, oversized clothes (hiding something), nervous glances, hiding in the shadows or behind objects, going door-to-door, observing a car for an unusual period of time, etc. Perhaps it could be a person carrying something at an unusual hour or a location that doesn’t fit what they have. Did they steal something? Are they leaving the scene of a crime? Cops don't need to make any accusations, certainly, but it would be helpful if they could investigate when something does appear off.

This is not moving the goalpost. My point all along is that cops should be given more respect. The constant demonizing of people serving the community is partly to blame for the mass exodus of LEO. This behavior is not helpful for the well-being of a community. Look at how sharply the public has lost confidence in the police in just the past few years. Can we expect more from law enforcement? Sure, accountability is always a good thing. But, our attitude towards the police could use a little change, as well.

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People aren't suspicious, behavior is. Loitering, oversized clothes (hiding something), nervous glances, hiding in the shadows or behind objects, going door-to-door, observing a car for an unusual period of time, etc. Perhaps it could be a person carrying something at an unusual hour or a location that doesn’t fit what they have. Did they steal something? Are they leaving the scene of a crime? Cops don't need to make any accusations, certainly, but it would be helpful if they could investigate when something does appear off.

This is not moving the goalpost. My point all along is that cops should be given more respect. The constant demonizing of people serving the community is partly to blame for the mass exodus of LEO. This behavior is not helpful for the well-being of a community. Look at how sharply the public has lost confidence in the police in just the past few years. Can we expect more from law enforcement? Sure, accountability is always a good thing. But, our attitude towards the police could use a little change, as well.

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No! Allow people to be sketchy AF no matter what.
 
People aren't suspicious, behavior is. Loitering, oversized clothes (hiding something), nervous glances, hiding in the shadows or behind objects, going door-to-door, observing a car for an unusual period of time, etc. Perhaps it could be a person carrying something at an unusual hour or a location that doesn’t fit what they have. Did they steal something? Are they leaving the scene of a crime? Cops don't need to make any accusations, certainly, but it would be helpful if they could investigate when something does appear off.

This is not moving the goalpost. My point all along is that cops should be given more respect. The constant demonizing of people serving the community is partly to blame for the mass exodus of LEO. This behavior is not helpful for the well-being of a community. Look at how sharply the public has lost confidence in the police in just the past few years. Can we expect more from law enforcement? Sure, accountability is always a good thing. But, our attitude towards the police could use a little change, as well.

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Thanks libs.
 
I just feel like it seems like we are placing the lions share of the blame and responsibility on the wrong party. Do we want policing to be perfect? Sure, but its not possible. The biggest thing we can do is make a push for people to be compliant with the law and LEO in my opinion. How many of these incidents would be nothing burgers for both parties if people just followed officers commands? Or remotely responded to simple lawful orders? Why are we focusing on the .001 % of bad behavior of cops and not focusing on the crazy amount of people breaking simple and reasonable laws and lawful orders from cops?
 
I just feel like it seems like we are placing the lions share of the blame and responsibility on the wrong party. Do we want policing to be perfect? Sure, but its not possible. The biggest thing we can do is make a push for people to be compliant with the law and LEO in my opinion. How many of these incidents would be nothing burgers for both parties if people just followed officers commands? Or remotely responded to simple lawful orders? Why are we focusing on the .001 % of bad behavior of cops and not focusing on the crazy amount of people breaking simple and reasonable laws and lawful orders from cops?
You need to quit victim blaming, do some research, and stop being racist.

- Liberal playbook chapter 7, page 89
 
I just feel like it seems like we are placing the lions share of the blame and responsibility on the wrong party. Do we want policing to be perfect? Sure, but its not possible. The biggest thing we can do is make a push for people to be compliant with the law and LEO in my opinion. How many of these incidents would be nothing burgers for both parties if people just followed officers commands? Or remotely responded to simple lawful orders? Why are we focusing on the .001 % of bad behavior of cops and not focusing on the crazy amount of people breaking simple and reasonable laws and lawful orders from cops?
Society should focus on how to avoid interactions with LEO all together. Like don't commit crimes. Especially violent crimes.
 
I just feel like it seems like we are placing the lions share of the blame and responsibility on the wrong party. Do we want policing to be perfect? Sure, but its not possible. The biggest thing we can do is make a push for people to be compliant with the law and LEO in my opinion. How many of these incidents would be nothing burgers for both parties if people just followed officers commands? Or remotely responded to simple lawful orders? Why are we focusing on the .001 % of bad behavior of cops and not focusing on the crazy amount of people breaking simple and reasonable laws and lawful orders from cops?

I don’t think there are a lot of people who don’t know that you’re supposed to follow police orders and not run from them.
 
I don’t think there are a lot of people who don’t know that you’re supposed to follow police orders and not run from them.
Do you think a lot of people know what happens when you don't follow police orders? Sure seems like a ton of people don't know----esp by the reactions to the aftermath.
 
Do you think a lot of people know what happens when you don't follow police orders? Sure seems like a ton of people don't know----esp by the reactions to the aftermath.

What is supposed to happen is they chase you, tackle you, handcuff you. Something along those lines.

I don’t think many/any people have a problem with that.

People start to have a problem when resisting arrest turns into extra punches and kicks to the face - not to subdue the criminal but to teach them a lesson for making you work harder - or when people running away or without a weapon get shot (sometimes there are a billion shades of gray in these cases), or when somebody who is resisting via noncompliance and verbal abuse gets their face smashed into a car hood and their shoulder yanked out of its socket.

It’s when the police are ‘extra’ that is the problem. If somebody says, “fvck you pig, eat my dick” and pulls their arm away and starts running through the neighborhood, you’re supposed to arrest them, charge them with resisting arrest and let the courts punish them. Too often (though not enough to be ‘common’), officers use the leeway they’re given to exact a little bit of their own justice. That does not help them.
 
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What is supposed to happen is they chase you, tackle you, handcuff you. Something along those lines.

I don’t think many/any people have a problem with that.

People start to have a problem when resisting arrest turns into extra punches and kicks to the face - not to subdue the criminal but to teach them a lesson for making you work harder - or when people running away or without a weapon get shot (sometimes there are a billion shades of gray in these cases), or when somebody who is resisting via noncompliance and verbal abuse gets their face smashed into a car hood and their should yanked out of its socket.

It’s when the police are ‘extra’ that is the problem. If somebody says, “fvck you pig, eat my dick” and pulls their arm away and starts running through the neighborhood, you’re supposed to arrest them, charge them with resisting arrest and let the courts punish them. Too often (though not enough to be ‘common’), officers use the leeway they’re given to exact a little bit of their own justice. That does not help them.
If these things that you speak of were common enough to demonize LEO, why aren't we seeing it more? Most of the incidents that we see are greatly exaggerated and/or have important context omitted by the people reporting them. Seems like if the problem was as big as people want us to believe it is, there wouldn't be any reason for them to report the way they do.

You did a good job avoiding the actual point, though.
 
If these things that you speak of were common enough to demonize LEO, why aren't we seeing it more? Most of the incidents that we see are greatly exaggerated and/or have important context omitted by the people reporting them. Seems like if the problem was as big as people want us to believe it is, there wouldn't be any reason for them to report the way they do.

You did a good job avoiding the actual point, though.

The incidents that make headlines are the big big ones. The incidents I described likely happen at least a few times per day (probably more).
 
I feel like you are expecting perfection from LEO while not even requiring the bare minimum from criminals while breaking the law. Oftentimes continually.

I don’t expect perfection, but I expect accountability and I think law enforcement lacks that right now. I think police officers are too eager to protect each other and lose sight of the big picture. Athletes and ex-military tend to become police officers. Those are guys, presumably, with strong ‘team’ mentalities. They see each other as being on the same team, so they’re more likely to let certain wrongdoing slide for the sake of protecting their teammate. That’s not ideal.

I expect nothing of criminals. They’re criminals.

A regular civilian has no training on how to handle scary, intense situations. Submitting to another human, to do with you what they see fit, goes against every natural instinct humans have. Letting a person kneel on top of you while they handcuff your arms behind your back goes against every human instinct, whether you did or did not do something wrong. Most people submit and trust the officer is a good guy. Some people let their emotions get the best of them in a situation they’re not prepared for. Some people have seen what bad police officers do and don’t trust that they’re dealing with a good one. So I can understand why people resist arrest. I don’t think it’s right or a good idea, but I understand it.

Officers have the training for those specific situations. They’re supposed to know how to keep their emotions in check and do the right thing. Will they make mistakes? Yes. Should they face consequences for mistakes? Depending on the severity of the mistake, they should face a proportional consequence. Regular civilians face consequences for mistakes they make on the job and elsewhere. Police should be no different.
 
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While we’re at it, why don’t we just ask criminals to stop breaking the law? Worth a shot, right?
 
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