Place to put my Nonsense Thread.
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I can’t speak for police officers, but a guy I know insisted health care workers should bunk at the hospital instead of going home after treating covid patients and didn’t see anything wrong with that because we knew what we were signing up for. At the very least he said health care workers should not be allowed to leave their house even if things were open.
He did not see the problem with this line of thinking, either.
I'd rather just have the public be more educated and civil with their interactions with LEO. We've never seen LEO leave in a mass exodus quite to this extent. And it's only going to get worse. They are there to protect us. Obviously the stress is always going to exist in policing. Just saying we don't need to exacerbate an already ridiculous challenging line of work. If you want a safer community, we should treat the officers with a little more respect. They're not robots.
Him: You knew what you were signing up for. If you treat covid patients you should not be allowed to go spread it to your family who can spread it to others.
Me: I didn’t sign up for the pandemic.
Him: You signed up for health care and that includes a pandemic.
Me: So you think we should not only be on the front lines fighting this thing, but also be forced to spend weeks away from our family to do so?
Him: Yes, you signed up for it.
Me: I didn’t sign up for the pandemic.
Him: You signed up for health care and that includes a pandemic.
Me: So you think we should not only be on the front lines fighting this thing, but also be forced to spend weeks away from our family to do so?
Him: Yes, you signed up for it.
He sounds dumb. Luckily, that isn’t in the realm of what I was saying.
It is pathetic that we can't come together on this issue. Such an easy attitude to condemn. Not to mention how blatantly racist she was being. I thought the left wanted to end racism. But no. This is met with 'cops know what they're signing up for'. Yeah that's not what they signed up for.
Idk how we’re going to reach that 2% of the public. 2% of people are just sh*theads. As for the 98% of us who are chill with police officers, yeah, being chill seems like the better way to go.
Just goes with the whole “this is what you signed up” thing. Some empathy could go a long way.
Kind of where I was heading with reform. There's so much that can be accomplished with civilians and LE.
The kid I went to college who was ambushed and shot in the head and killed probably didn’t sign up for that. Signing up for a job that has risks like that should be commended, not used by others as a crutch to avoid empathizing.
A better corollary would be a patient who shits on a nurse changing his bed pan. Then, you could say, “well, that sucks and I’m sorry you got shit on, but you had to know that was a risk of the job.” Likewise, after an officer gets yelled at by a psycho, you could say, “ well, that sucks and I’m sorry you got yelled at but you had to know that’s part of the job.”
You can empathize and acknowledge that risks are inherent to certain jobs at the same time. They’re not mutually exclusive.
Should have gone with Honest Abe, you can trust a guy who likes tig ole bitties. Washington was a known pathological liar.
“He got shot in the head by a criminal who ambushed him? Well, that’s what he signed up for” is not empathizing, though.
Both can be present. Often times both aren’t present though.
You just choose to acknowledge the risks and leave the empathizing for others.
Eh, not really. I empathize with police officers. All of my interactions with them IRL have been good.
Your response to the video of the woman lashing out at the police officer and going as far as making fun of him for being Mexican was “well that’s what he signed up for”. Sweet empathizing.
@brooky03 , do you think she should be fired from her job as a teacher?
She'll probably win some teacher of the year award for standing up to police brutality. Just ignore the racist remarks.
Why does it seem like liberals constantly try to make excuses for bad behavior?
That wasn’t my reaction to the video. My reaction was:
“If you retire/quit because of people like this, law enforcement probably wasn’t the career for you.”
Want to try again?
No, because I have a long standing stance against calling for people’s jobs. This is and has been true for all sides of the political spectrum.
I mean yea, but you also underestimate the ineptitude of California.
Not everyone, obviously.
But, I can tell you A LOT of my liberal friends were whining last year about systemic racism and police brutality... and said nothing about the destructive riots. Of course, when January 6th happened, they suddenly felt the need to talk about bad behavior. Weird.
135 police officers died in the line of duty in 2019. That number increased to 264 in 2020. Almost a 100% increase. In certain neighborhoods, they are regarded as public enemy #1. They're very aware that they can easily be seen as targets on the streets. They're subjected to a lot of crap from ignoramuses who think all/most cops are evil . I don't think most people appreciate the emotional toll police work has on an individual, and that stress often will carry over to the family.
One study from the Department of Justice found that the suicide rate among the Chicago PD was 60% higher than the national average. In fact, refer back to the 135 figure of cops dying in the line of duty in 2019 - the number of police officers committing suicide in the same year was 228. Staggering. I've seen the emotional trauma in the eyes of some cops that I know. It is real. This is already one of the most stressful jobs on the planet. We don't need to demonize them and make it worse than it already is. The studies are clear, the more police officers you have on the street, the lower the crime rate will be. Last year we saw the largest recorded one-year increase in homicide rate in recorded history. Per Pew, 72% of LEO are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons. If people are going to continue to engage in the same, silly antics, we should expect more and more cops to leave - and more crime to follow.
What a misleading stat. You know the biggest cause of death for police last year? COVID. More officers were killed by guns in 2019 than 2020 (50 to 48). So that doesn't really back up your they are public enemy #1 thing either.
Excusing and understanding are different. Liberals almost universally condemned violence in the BLM protests. We know that much. They also understood why emotions were so high and why destructive things happened, despite opposing violence and destruction. Did all Liberals feel this way? No. But most did.
I wouldn’t chalk that up as excusing the behavior but I’ve always struggled with what counts as an excuse. When I played football and a coach would ask me why I blew an assignment, I’d explain what I saw and reacted to. Often times the response was that he didn’t want to hear my excuse.
Even if your job is to educate other people's children? This is different than her working at Trader Joe's. I don't want any trash c:nt like that responsible for educating youth, regardless of which side of the political aisle. This is beyond political.
Are you suggesting that the attitude towards cops hasn't taken a huge turn in a negative direction over the past few years, last year in particular?
In my experience, teachers don’t talk about their personal lives much or at all and political discussions are practically nonexistent. If she’s espousing hatred instead of teaching whatever she is supposed to be teaching, then she’s not doing her job and should be fired. If she’s doing her job, then she should probably keep it.
Kids aren’t as easily indoctrinated by teachers as is suggested, imo. Students have enough difficulty paying attention to the stuff they’re supposed to be learning, they’re not going to be too interested in retaining Mrs. Karen’s opinions about life.
Fair enough. Didn't realize a significant portion was due to COVID. I read that 264 were killed, so I presumed that meant homicide. Regardless, cops are leaving the service at unprecedented rates, leaving police departments with huge vacancies. What about the fact that 72% of cops are less likely to stop and question suspicious persons? They're not going out of their way to potentially put themselves in harms way. It is well known that cops don't patrol certain areas because they absolutely would be seen as a target. My brother took this picture a few years ago. Looks pretty clear to me.
And with all of the negative publicity that LEO are receiving, it's hard to imagine they can recruit 20 year-olds at a rate which will offset all of the losses. Bottom line, cops are leaving and it's not good for public safety when there are fewer cops on the street. We need to do our part and respecting those who put their lives on the line everyday.
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