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Place to put my Nonsense Thread.

Depends how you define “ever before.” We have about half as many trees now compared to when human civilization started (when we started building towns and cities and stopped being hunter gatherers). In the past few decades, as a result of conservation efforts (planting trees), we have been able to counteract deforestation.

Sea level rise is accelerating. True, it’s risen 8-10 inches since 1870. That doesn’t mean it will take another 150 years to rise another 8 inches. Is 8 inches practically nothing compared to the depth of the oceans? Yes, but the depth of the ocean isn’t relevant to the threat of sea level rise. It doesn’t take much for what seems like a small sea level rise to wipe away coastlines. We’ve already seen that start to happen.

This study found that between 1982-2016, global tree canopy cover increased by 865,000 square miles. In the U.S. alone, it increased by about 15%. In other countries, upwards of 35%. Anything you want to compare to a hypothetical primitive past is wildly useless and irrelevant because there obviously isn't any baseline data.

And this study finds that the alleged sinking island of Tuvalu in the Pacific is actually growing. They used data from 1971-2014 and found that the island actually increased in total land area by 2.9%, even though sea levels in the country rose twice the global average. "The study findings may seem counter-intuitive, given that (the) sea level has been rising in the region over the past half century, but the dominant mode of change over that time on Tuvalu has been expansion, not erosion."

And, there is a thing called dikes. The Dutch have been very resourceful with that for a long time. That is a viable alternative. Just think it's funny how people freak out about the ice caps melting. I mean, sure, it's probably melting in some areas - and growing in other areas, depending on the season. But, when the water levels have remained at 99.99% intact, you can easily extrapolate that the net loss on ice caps is freakishly minimal.

I've always been curious about why some liberals are worried about rising sea levels when they flock to cities in the coast, the areas most likely to be effected by climate change. Not convinced that many believe it as much as they claim.
 
This study found that between 1982-2016, global tree canopy cover increased by 865,000 square miles. In the U.S. alone, it increased by about 15%. In other countries, upwards of 35%. Anything you want to compare to a hypothetical primitive past is wildly useless and irrelevant because there obviously isn't any baseline data.

And this study finds that the alleged sinking island of Tuvalu in the Pacific is actually growing. They used data from 1971-2014 and found that the island actually increased in total land area by 2.9%, even though sea levels in the country rose twice the global average. "The study findings may seem counter-intuitive, given that (the) sea level has been rising in the region over the past half century, but the dominant mode of change over that time on Tuvalu has been expansion, not erosion."

And, there is a thing called dikes. The Dutch have been very resourceful with that for a long time. That is a viable alternative. Just think it's funny how people freak out about the ice caps melting. I mean, sure, it's probably melting in some areas - and growing in other areas, depending on the season. But, when the water levels have remained at 99.99% intact, you can easily extrapolate that the net loss on ice caps is freakishly minimal.

I've always been curious about why some liberals are worried about rising sea levels when they flock to cities in the coast, the areas most likely to be effected by climate change. Not convinced that many believe it as much as they claim.
being a numbers guy and a stats guy, I really like your post. you back up everything with proof.
 
Some post off the hip and it's just a perception/opinion. Nothing to back it up. I get it, we're all passionate, but it's hard to argue stats.

*meant toquote @dukedevilz
 



Remember when Dems tried to invoke the 25th amendment on Trump. Might be time to rev that engine up again.
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This study found that between 1982-2016, global tree canopy cover increased by 865,000 square miles. In the U.S. alone, it increased by about 15%. In other countries, upwards of 35%. Anything you want to compare to a hypothetical primitive past is wildly useless and irrelevant because there obviously isn't any baseline data.

And this study finds that the alleged sinking island of Tuvalu in the Pacific is actually growing. They used data from 1971-2014 and found that the island actually increased in total land area by 2.9%, even though sea levels in the country rose twice the global average. "The study findings may seem counter-intuitive, given that (the) sea level has been rising in the region over the past half century, but the dominant mode of change over that time on Tuvalu has been expansion, not erosion."

And, there is a thing called dikes. The Dutch have been very resourceful with that for a long time. That is a viable alternative. Just think it's funny how people freak out about the ice caps melting. I mean, sure, it's probably melting in some areas - and growing in other areas, depending on the season. But, when the water levels have remained at 99.99% intact, you can easily extrapolate that the net loss on ice caps is freakishly minimal.

I've always been curious about why some liberals are worried about rising sea levels when they flock to cities in the coast, the areas most likely to be effected by climate change. Not convinced that many believe it as much as they claim.

Like I said, conservation efforts have counteracted deforestation over the last few decades. You cited a stat agreeing with what I said, which was agreeing with the gist of what you originally said. The ‘ever before’ part was just inaccurate is all. Before conservation efforts, forests were shrinking. Tangentially, rainforest - unlike regular woodland - can’t be planted and regrown as easily/quickly.

Accounting for seasonality, the ice caps, overall, are shrinking. This has implications beyond sea level rise (temperature, storms, ecosystems, etc.) Sea level rise does and has eroded coastline. Dikes are great. Everybody loves dikes. They’re a good way to treat a symptom. Why not also try to treat the cause? Evidence strongly points to the cause being humans, not a natural cycle of Earth.
 
Clean air and being good stewards for the planet should be the focus. The whole, "humans are the cause" is nothing more than propaganda and a big money grab.
 
I see liberal women (women used very flexibly, here) all the time with a bio that says something about Trump. "If you voted for Trump, don't bother"

Can't imagine being that sensitive and weak.

Wouldn’t it make sense to not want to date somebody with wildly different life views than yourself?

Do you go to gay pride PETA rallies to pick up women?
 
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Clean air and being good stewards for the planet should be the focus. The whole, "humans are the cause" is nothing more than propaganda and a big money grab.

How is scientific data ‘propaganda’? Humans influence the environment and contribute to climate change that would not occur in the absence of humans; at least, not at the observed rate.

‘Pollute less’ isn’t propaganda.
 
tation over the last few decades. You cited a stat agreeing with what I said, which was agreeing with the gist of what you originally said. The ‘ever before’ part was just inaccurate is all. Before conservation efforts, forests were shrinking. Tangentially, rainforest - unlike regular woodland - can’t be planted and regrown as easily/quickly.

Accounting for seasonality, the ice caps, overall, are shrinking. This has implications beyond sea level rise (temperature, storms, ecosystems, etc.) Sea level rise does and has eroded coastline. Dikes are great. Everybody loves dikes. They’re a good way to treat a symptom. Why not also try to treat the cause? Evidence strongly points to the cause being humans, not a natural cycle of Earth.

How do you isolate the human variable and determine what percentage of the rise in temperature is due to natural cycles and what percentage is due to human activity?
 
I'm not making any basketball futures bets until @dukedevilz posts his preseason rankings.
Thanks!

I actually did reasonably well with my top 50 from last fall. If you look at my preseason rankings and KenPom's - and compare it to the final KenPom rankings, I actually hit the mark better than he did. I was closer on 23; he was closer on 21; we tied on 6. And I had a smaller miss average. I think he's much better at getting depth than I am, though. He did much better in the bottom half of the top 50 than I did.

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Wouldn’t it make sense to not want to date somebody with wildly different life views than yourself?

Do you go to gay pride PETA rallies to pick up women?
No.. my first thought when making a dating profile isn’t “You know, should really let them know first thing that Donald Trump rustles the **** out of me”
 
No.. my first thought when making a dating profile isn’t “You know, should really let them know first thing that Donald Trump rustles the **** out of me”

I get it. Maybe they have had bad experiences with the kind of guys who vote for Trump. No harm in letting those guys know to spend their efforts elsewhere. Maybe they want a nice, handsome, not at all short accountant to pile drive them at night.
 
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No.. my first thought when making a dating profile isn’t “You know, should really let them know first thing that Donald Trump rustles the **** out of me”
It only says something about the person who does. That they are a miserable c.unt. policy differences can be discussed and left to agree to disagree. But when people (the left mostly) get so emotionally distraught over an individual, particularly in politics, as if the individual representing their side is some sort of saint you know you are dealing with a crazy person. So maybe it's best that those losers go ahead and let you know.
 
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It only says something about the person who does. That they are a miserable c.unt policy differences can be discussed and left to agree to disagree. But when people (the left mostly) get so emotionally distraught over an individual, particularly in politics, as if the individual representing their side is some sort of saint you know you are dealing with a crazy person. So maybe it's best that those losers go ahead and let you know.

Not even about that for me. I don’t need my wife lecturing me about stupid lib shit whenever she pleases.
 
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That is an excellent question for scientists.

It's an impossible question, really. Scientists don't know how much human activity is responsible anymore than they know the origins of life, even though some may not be shy to give a convoluted answer.

Here's a much more reasonable discussion about climate change.

 
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