Official Who is the best PG in the nation watch thread

[kyjeff1]

Sometimes it’s not about size and athleticism.

Kaminsky was a 4 year guy that won national player of the year.
Jalen Brunson was a 4 year guy that won national player of the year.

Cassius Winston IMO is the best PG in college basketball even if he isn’t an nba talent.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just responding to the comment about not crowning these freshmen just yet.
Guys like Anthony and Maxey are pro talents, you don't have to crown them or even respect them, but don't be surprised if they're better than a 6'0" senior by the end of the season.
Problem is, you can't just compare stats, Maxey has 2 other stud guards sharing the ball with him. UNC plays a more up and down style than MSU and UK and Cassius has a better front court to deliver the ball to. So it will be tough to say who the better pg is.
They're all damn good though, can't go wrong with any of them.

 

[jhmossy]

Guess Cole will be this year's version of Zion and Trae

 

[Bert Higginbotha]

Without Langford it is much easier.

I haven't seen Winston yet this year but at times you can out play him physically.
I don't know if Kentucky's young guards like Maxey are ready for that.

This is not fair; however, Maxey did prove up to the task.

 

[schoonerwest]

Guess Cole will be this year's version of Zion and Trae

At this same point last year Quentin Grimes was the Runner Up National Freshman of the Year and was destined to be a 1st or 2nd team All-American. Then the other 97% of the season happened.

At this point I don't know how anybody can say somebody other than Cassius Winston holds the top spot. Talented freshman can always threaten guys like him but they're much more vulnerable to hitting a mid-season slump. Suddenly those shots aren't going in and coach starts yelling at them more than they're used to hearing it. They lose confidence for awhile until they figure it out again. It's not very common that something like that happens to a senior veteran like Winston.

And if you go back and look at past Wooden/Naismith award winners in recent years they're all Juniors or Seniors who were expected to have excellent seasons. Winston is the obvious choice to keep this trend going.

Mason
Kaminsky
Valentine
Hield
Brunson
Jimmer
McDermott
Turner
Hansbrough

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

This is not fair; however, Maxey did prove up to the task.

But there always has to be a doubt for young players.
Maxey proved me wrong and I am glad.
He and RJ Hampton were men amongst boys last year playing high school ball in the Metroplex

 

[dukedevilz]

And if you go back and look at past Wooden/Naismith award winners in recent years they're all Juniors or Seniors who were expected to have excellent seasons. Winston is the obvious choice to keep this trend going.

Mason
Kaminsky
Valentine
Hield
Brunson
Jimmer
McDermott
Turner
Hansbrough

You left off Zion, Trey Burke, Anthony Davis, and Blake Griffin.

 

[schoonerwest]

You left off Zion, Trey Burke, Anthony Davis, and Blake Griffin.

I suppose I should have said "some of the past" winners.

Are there any freshman this year that are expected to be at the same level Zion/Griffin/Davis were?

 

[lurkeraspect84]

I suppose I should have said "some of the past" winners.

Are there any freshman this year that are expected to be at the same level Zion/Griffin/Davis were?

Wiseman, but he's tainted by Memphis.

 

[dukedevilz]

I suppose I should have said "some of the past" winners.

Are there any freshman this year that are expected to be at the same level Zion/Griffin/Davis were?

Griffin was a sophomore. I was only countering the 'upperclassmen' statement. I don't expect anyone to be at a Zion or AD level. But, Wiseman and Anthony are legitimate candidates to win NPOY.

Outside of those two, then yes, the rest of the main contenders are all upperclassmen. Winston, Powell, Howard, and Nwora.

 

[ThePhog08]

2 games in

Devon Dotson 19.5 PPG 5 RPG 3.5 APG
Tyrese Maxey 17.5 PPG 4.2 RPG 2.0 APG
Ashton Hagans 11 PPG 4.5 RPG 4.0 APG
Tre Jones 15 PPG 5.5 RPG 7.5 APG
Cole Anthony 27 PPG 10.5 RPG 4.0 APG

 

[coryfly]

I really like Dotson. He always seems in control.

 

[ExitFlagger]

I really like Dotson. He always seems in control.

Aside from his six TOs vs Duke.

 

[ThePhog08]

Aside from his six TOs vs Duke.

Everyone has bad games

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Not one single person would take Simpson over Hagans this season. Simpson was so good, he averaged 8 points a game as a junior and lead Michigan to the Sweet Sixteen. Stop

I think plenty of people would

 

[MGC_07]

I think plenty of people would

Simpson with a great game (17/3/9) to beat a likely tournament team in Creighton.

Hagans shot 1-8 and lost to Evansville at home.


I don’t like UM, but Zavier Simpson is good at basketball.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Simpson with a great game (17/3/9) to beat a likely tournament team in Creighton.

Hagans shot 1-8 and lost to Evansville at home.


I don’t like UM, but Zavier Simpson is good at basketball.

And I don’t like MSU but Cassius Winston showed us what he’s about taking to Simpson multiple times last year. Sometimes you just gotta tip your cap to players / teams you root against.

 

[Noahtogo24]

I love AC, but he has to prove he is in the same league with Winston & Simpson..

 

[MGC_07]

I love AC, but he has to prove he is in the same league with Winston & Simpson..

He was better early in his career than those 2 but has seemed to plateau since is Sophomore year.

 

[Noahtogo24]

He was better early in his career than those 2 but has seemed to plateau since is Sophomore year.

I blame Turge- same thing happened to Melo...

 

[KisteK]

Sometimes it’s not about size and athleticism.

Kaminsky was a 4 year guy that won national player of the year.
Jalen Brunson was a 4 year guy that won national player of the year.

Cassius Winston IMO is the best PG in college basketball even if he isn’t an nba talent.

Brunson only played three years, two rings and a top player prize tho..

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Winston will do all the right things, but I'd still take Cole Anthony.

 

[MGC_07]

Brunson only played three years, two rings and a top player prize tho..

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Winston will do all the right things, but I'd still take Cole Anthony.

Cole Anthony May very well be my pick by the end of the year, but I need a bigger sample size against good competition before I pick him over Cassius. I watched Cassius Winston beat a good UM team 3 times last year. There are too many games to count where he was magnificent.

As of now, I think Cole Anthony will average more points than Cassius Winston, but if you’re asking who I would rather have running my point in a championship game, I would go Cassius.

 

[KisteK]

B1g salty.

 

[ThePhog08]

Can Hagans and or Quickly be taken off?

 

[dukedevilz]

1. Cassius Winston, Michigan State
3. Markus Howard, Marquette
6. Cole Anthony, North Carolina
11. Devon Dotson, Kansas
12. Tre Jones, Duke
16. Nico Mannion, Arizona
17. Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois
23. Andrew Nembhard, Florida
26. Zavier Simpson, Michigan
30. Anthony Cowan, Maryland
33. Tyrese Haliburton, Iowa State
35. Jon Axel Gudmundsson, Davidson
40. Marcus Evans, VCU
43. Jared Butler, Baylor
45. Ashton Hagans, Kentucky
51. Payton Pritchard, Oregon
53. Kira Lewis, Alabama
62. JaQuan Lyle, New Mexico

I still like my preseason point guard rankings. I think it's reasonably accurate. A few of the guys were probably overvalued (i.e. Nembhard). At least I feel comfortable in saying Simpson > Hagans.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Brunson only played three years, two rings and a top player prize tho..

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Winston will do all the right things, but I'd still take Cole Anthony.

Two rings a a top player prize and still wasn’t drafted in the first round. Sometimes elite NCAA college players don’t have the size and/or athleticism the NBA covets.

 

[ThePhog08]

Update

Cole Anthony - 22.8 PPG 8 RPG 4.5 APG
Tre Jones - 17 PPG 3.5 RPB 5.8 APG
Devon Dotson 18.8 PPG 3.8 RPG 4.3 APG

 

[dukedevilz]

Update

Cole Anthony - 22.8 PPG 8 RPG 4.5 APG
Tre Jones - 17 PPG 3.5 RPB 5.8 APG
Devon Dotson 18.8 PPG 3.8 RPG 4.3 APG

No Cassius?

 

[MGC_07]

No Cassius?

Cassius just had an 11 point game against a cupcake where we tried to get others going so that’s going to bring him down.

I value conference stats far higher than these nice game against cupcakes that some of these PG’s are having.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Update

Cole Anthony - 22.8 PPG 8 RPG 4.5 APG
Tre Jones - 17 PPG 3.5 RPB 5.8 APG
Devon Dotson 18.8 PPG 3.8 RPG 4.3 APG

Haliburton is averaging 10+ points and 10+ assist for Iowa State
Going to see if he can carry them this year when they play in the Battle 4 Atlantis Tournament

 

[ThePhog08]

No Cassius?

Whoops

Winston 17.5PPG 2.5 RPG 6.8 APG

 

[MileHighSpartan]

Cassius just had an 11 point game against a cupcake where we tried to get others going so that’s going to bring him down.

I value conference stats far higher than these nice game against cupcakes that some of these PG’s are having.

And he still doesn't have the lowest scoring average, while having the most assists per game of the 4

Kenpom NCSOS as of today:

KU 99
MSU 106
Duke 206
UNC: 324

 

[MGC_07]

And he still doesn't have the lowest scoring average, while having the most assists per game of the 4

Kenpom NCSOS as of today:

KU 99
MSU 106
Duke 206
UNC: 324

MSU is being severely brought down by the fact that w shave played 2 300+ teams. Playing at Seton Hall and Kentucky is pretty good.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Zavier Simpson with 22 points, 14 assists, 5 rebounds on 8 of 10 from the floor.

Up to a season average of:
14 points
9 assists
4.5 rebounds


Pretty damn good when you consider he’s a defense first PG

 

[ThePhog08]

I believe Winston peaked last year. This team needs Langford so bad

 

[Noahtogo24]

I believe Winston peaked last year. This team needs Langford so bad

100%- Langford was suppose to be the main guy picking up the ppg lost by Ward, Mcquiad and Goins not on the team anymore...

 

[ThePhog08]

100%- Langford was suppose to be the main guy picking up the ppg lost by Ward, Mcquiad and Goins not on the team anymore...

Those were huge losses. Don't think we or the pundits took it into account. I think we all thought Tillman would take a big leap along with Ahrens and Henry. Though Henry has been hurt.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

Zavier Simpson leads the country in assists per game. Not bad for a defensive stud PG.

 

[toonces11]

Dotson 31 pts 6 rb 4 assists tonight. Too many dumb to’s though.

 

[lurkeraspect84]

Dotson 31 pts 6 rb 4 assists tonight. Too many dumb to’s though.

The guy was on fire tonight. Very impressive against a solid team.

 

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