I forgot that Howard started out at a mid major. How many guys did he put in the pros while coaching on teams where success wasn’t already baked into the program?
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Ayo and Kofi have performed as expected. Same with TJD. If you are a top 50 recruit, you SHOULD be one of the best players in college basketball by year 3.
He has developed about as well as Archie Miller. Congrats.
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So Underwood must be an excellent coach if he can get significantly better results with the same talent. Your retahd pie cuts both ways.
How many great coaches didn’t make a Sweet 16 until age 58?
Who said they had the same talent? You stated that Underwood has a player in the league, 1 in the g league, and one as a POY candidate this year. Archie has Romeo in the league. Juwan Morgan I’m the g league (was in the nba the last two years), and TJD as a POY candidate.
Archie is a shitty coach though. Like absolutely terrible. Now Crean on the other hand was able to develop players and had better results than Underwood. Not sure you want to go down that road again though.
He just admitted that it did
Sounds like a John Groce problem. If only Groce had recruited a player with an NBA brother that Underwood could’ve inherited for this lame argument.
Lololol Crean had 58 total wins and 19 conference wins at this point in his rebuild, and he had no pandemic shortened seasons. Underwood’s ahead.
Imagine making the argument that a Eli Brooks should be evaluated on where he is at this point in his career and not his past while simultaneously trying to troll with this brain dead argument.
Crean inherited a far worse situation and still got to a sweet 16 in year 4. At this point in his tenure, he had the preseason #1 team heading into year 5.
Thanks for proving me right. I said we were only close to top 5 with Clowney.
You two are the best duo in all of college basketball, always got each other’s back.
I mean that pretty much confirms what I said, he said----that WITH Clowney, IU would have a borderline(very close) Top class.
It’s actually quite strange. Hail nitpicks to the millionth degree on literally everything, but then defends obvious BS from certain folks on here. It was the douche SNU before and now Trojan. Don’t get it.
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Um would never buy a basketball coach away but lol at bama having deeper pockets than um
Are you seriously comparing what Crean inherited, opposed to Underwood?
Like seriously?
IN Year 4, Crean won 27 games, 5th in Big 10 and went to the SW 16---as a 4 seed.
Underwood won 24 games, 2nd in Big 10, and lost in the 2nd round----as a 1-seed.
Year 5, Crean had the preseason #1 team....
Underwood does not....
Its an absolute asinine argument. Crean had ONE player return from the previous season---Kyle Taber. He averaged 1ppg the previous year. Team was full of freshman, transfers and walk-on's. Seven walk-on's to be exact..
C'mon, dude.....Its not even close.
Underwood scrapped the roster and started over from scratch between year 1 and 2. Underwood’s 4th year was a much better team than Cream’s 4th, and it has every chance to be as good as his 5th. Of course we know what happened to Crean after those years.
Your not worth the argument, bro...
If Underwoods 4th team was so much better, then why did his Top seeded Illini get skull ****d by a 9 seed in the 2nd round? All the while, 4th seeded Indiana won more games, advanced to the SW 16, where they probably gave one of stronger title winning teams in recent history, all they wanted..
Ye we know what happened to Crean after the 2012 year(4th season)-----He went on to two more Sw 16's, and won 2 Big 10 titles...
Agree Illinois has a chance to be as good as 2013 Indiana----but I highly doubt it. That team was realy good.
You finished 5th.
You lost to two sub 100 teams.
You played 5 more games. Illinois would have to win 3/5 to match.
Illinois led the nation in Quad1 wins by several games over everyone but Ok St who had 1 less.
Indiana played a KenPom 40+ ranking in the second round, but Illinois played a top 10 in that same spot. It was one more tournament win against a worse opponent. You should hang a banner for it.
Illinois’ EM on KenPom is significantly better. Indiana was measurably worse, bro.
That was a good team. This team should be good too.
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2013 iu was awesome, I miss 2013 b1g, definitely the peak season for the conference since the early 90s
I watch about 15-20 movies a year in theaters. Seeing Dune just now was the best movie theater experience of my life. 10/10.
100% with you. Phenomenal movie and can’t wait for part 2. Villeneuve ain’t fcking around.
This will go down on Lord of the Rings level for me. And that’s my favorite series of all time.
Funniest sht ever. Bet on O50.5 on MNF game along witb a bunch of other bets. Obviously, it was a sht game overall (Chiefs actually sucked against a sht Gmen team), but I placed an in game O44.5 bet in the heat of the moment during 3Q. Thought I lost the bets, but…
Fat fingered the U. Hahahahaha. I’ll take it.
Fat fingered the U. Hahahahaha. I’ll take it.
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My fav movies aren’t normally the huge blockbusters. I’m more into the Good Will Hunting and Almost Famous type movies, but Dune was seriously awesome. There are other scifi movies based on great books like Ender’s Game that just didn’t work out, but Dune hit the money.
Your class even with Clowney would be 10th according to 247.
How is that close to Top 5..?
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I’m into all sorts of movies too. We go to so many.
Dune was captivating to the level 1917 (also one of the best theater experiences) but with the characters and story of a Lord of the Rings.
It’s tragic they released it on HBO Max and so many people won’t get to experience it the way I just did.
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