No, we're allowed to yell about the smallest of victory's in football just like you all have been allowed to do it in basketball.
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Not just an athletic team. They were really fcking good all around. No shame losing to them.
LOL the point is that Gildinia made it seem like a bunch of Purdue fans appeared out of the woodwork and pumped our chests when in reality the same posters that always post never left and didn’t go apesht crazy to start with. It was also a non-Purdue fan that first brought it up in this thread.
On my third glass of cab so quite relaxed actually. Doing a little work while watching this SNF game.
I guess it’s relative. On our roster it looks like he’d be below average in terms of athleticism but maybe he’s above average in terms of all D1. Average P5 maybe? Slightly above? Idk
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Houstan is a top 10 recruit and is arguably the 5th most athletic player in the class.
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Houstan is a top 10 recruit and is arguably the 5th most athletic player in the class.
I didn’t realize your guards were that athletic actually. It’s been awhile since we have had guards like that. Jordan Geronimo is kinda like that though.
He was a really good athlete. When he was in high school (and I was like 12ish), he was the most athletic person I’ve ever seen (until I saw Josh McRoberts catch and alley oop over Greg Oden).
He was more athletic than the 5 Purdue players we are talking about though.
We finally agree on something. And yeah McRoberts was a freak. He was a year ahead of me at Carmel so those were fun times.
At 2:45 in this video, it cuts to pictures of the NC game Kramer’s Senior year. One of
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But that wasn't the original question/argument. Of course RIGHT now, most would take Underwood. But to claim Umderwood is more accomplished than Crean is stupid. WHich was his original claim....Then he moved it to, "right now".
TBH, I think Crean/Underwood are basically on the same level. Only difference is Crean has had some post-season success: 4 SW 16's, ELite 8 and a FF. Underwood has never gotten beyond the 2nd round.
That makes zero sense....Underwood had a very good team last year----and shit down his pants vs Loyola. Got ran off the floor. Two good seasons, and now you are touting him as some type of savior? There's a a lot of coaches better than Crean....Overall. Underwood isn't one of them, so far. Not production wise. He's done nothing.
But right now, if I had to take one, to coach THIS Indiana team? I dunno, TBH. Crean's teams could score. Couldn't defend, but they could score. This Indiana team is built to score. I'd take Creans offensive scheme over Underwoods.
No, the original question was who is the better coach. I think Underwood is, so I would pick him right now over Crean.
Turns out that teams you play in the sweet 16 are good b-ball teams. Are you trying to make it a “when Purdue plays athletic teams” thing or something?
2009: Beat an athletic (😟) Washington team that had Isaiah Thomas, Quincy Poindexter, Justin Dentmon, Justin Holiday, CJ Wilcox, etc. to make sweet 16.
lost to a UConn team because Stanley Robinson and Hasheem Thabeet abused Purdue down low & Purdue had no post depth besides Jajuan. UConn made it to final 4.
2010: Lost Hummel right before the tournament, beat a good Texas A&M team to make the sweet 16 and gave Duke a run for their money but 1 seed Duke was way more talented, especially without Hummel. (Duke went on to win national title)
2017: Got shot out of the gym by Kansas (made 15/28 threes) Purdue couldn’t keep up that game. Kansas was shooting it so well in their first 3 games (beat Purdue 98-66, Mich St. 90-70 in 2nd round, UC-Davis 100-62) & then went cold their next game against Oregon & only hit 5/25 from three in the loss.
2018: Haas broke elbow in the first round of the tournament. Beat Butler in 2nd round to make sweet 16 and then lost to a really good defensive team in Texas Tech.
2019: beat a really athletic Tennessee team in the sweet 16 in a hell of a game 99-94 in OT.
That’s what he’s tried to twist the argument into which is why I stopped engaging.
Yes, under Painter Purdue has struggled with really athletic teams. I’m not sure how you don’t see a potential issue if all the players you have this year live up to their expectations. That’s Hunter, Sasha, and Williams gone at a minimum. Ivey and Edey gone too if they are as good as Purdue fans think they are. That leaves Newman, IT, and the 5 players we have been talking about in the backcourt. Your front court should be solid still with Kaufman, Gillis, Furst, and we will go ahead and throw in the Berg.
Can you quantify how Purdue has struggled with really athletic teams? Is there a W-L record you can point to?
What is "really athletic" and what's the cutoff between "athletic" and "really athletic"?
Or is this just a weird way to say that Purdue - like the majority of high-level programs - struggles against top-15 type opponents? Hence why they are top-15 level.
Purdue in '16-17 got their doors blown off in the Sweet 16 by a good Kansas team. But that group also punked a "really athletic" Auburn team and handled a number of "really athletic" teams in the B1G that year.
Purdue in '17-18 had an average - to possibly below-average "atheticism" team - and lost in the Sweet 16 to an athletic, aggressive defense in Texas Tech. And yet they boat raced a preseason top 5 Arizona team, swept athletic Maryland and Penn State teams, and won twice against a Michigan team that went to the title game.
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There is no W-L. You struggle with high pressure teams whether that’s press or just high ball pressure. It’s talked about all the time on your site, so don’t act like this is something new. A few years ago, Painter chose West Virginia as your secret scrimmage, because high pressure defenses is one of your weaknesses. Look at the Clemson game last year. Look at your record the last few years against teams like Rutgers, Illinois, and Michigan.
You were. You have also struggled with that kind of pressure in the past. Texas is another example from the last few years.
Would you rather Purdue play a team with Texas’ athleticism, or a team with Wisconsin’s skill? Would you rather play Iowa or Rutgers in recent years? Iowa has been ranked far higher.
Just realized Howard is 3-0 vs Painter. Shows how little I give a shit about head to head.
Depends on the roster Purdue has. Some teams match up better for us than others.
It’s not like Purdue is alone in terms of struggling with that kind of pressure. A lot of team have struggled with that kind of pressure. It’s why teams hate playing against teams like WVU.
Certain Purdue teams have struggled with pressure but others thrived against it. There’s a reason no one pressed the PJ/Carsen/Mathias/Vince team. 4 guys that could handle the ball and they would carve up opposing presses.
Okay, there is no concerns at all about the athleticism of those 5 players. You win.
We haven't had any real, sustained issues against pressure since the 2015-2016 team that ran a Vince-Biggie-Hammons lineup. Yes we struggled against Clemson but that was because our two best ball handlers were injured and didn't play.
With the Hunter-Ivey project started lineup, I can't see any teams wanting to try to pressure us. Specifically, teams will shy away from speeding up Ivey as he's the type of guy that will make you stop pressing in an instant. I do see teams throwing the little zone press against us, not to turn us over but to try to give us less time to operate in the half court.
We were talking about next year when your backcourt is:
IT/Smith
Newman/Loyer
Morton/Heide/Waddell
Absolutely giddy to look ahead to another season...an IU tradition unlike any other.
Well considering we were talking about recruiting in the 2022 class, they don’t see the court until next season.
Started to look back to see who started this debate, but it looks like you had over 4 pages of posts in this thread from yesterday alone, so I stopped. Plus I already knew the answer.
Okay? I’m sure I started it, but it was about recruiting in the 22’ class. Has nothing to do with how the current team will handle pressure defense.
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