Exception, not rule. Rare to find two guys playing heavy minutes side by side as point guards. Didn't happen under Beilein. Hasn't happened in Izzo's long career (though he may try a bit this season).
I guess I said never so you are right.
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Exception, not rule. Rare to find two guys playing heavy minutes side by side as point guards. Didn't happen under Beilein. Hasn't happened in Izzo's long career (though he may try a bit this season).
I guess I said never so you are right.
Program guys were great without the transfer portal and no sit out, we will see how many supposed "program guys" stick around now. Especially the program guys the level um(guys in the 80-150range) is getting.
Exactly. There will be some program guys who wait their turn and others who will bolt.
You need program guys, but can't be taking them at the same position in back to back classes. That may have worked a decade ago. Not any more.
Moving forward the title caliber teams will likely have a rotation of 8 guys of which four are top 50 recruits of any class, two are very good transfers and two program guys in their 3/4 years.
If they don’t stick around, that means you will scholarships for transfers or more one-and-done type talents.
Like many have mention 8-9 guys usually stick in a rotation, so expecting a kid to stick around as the 13th man isn’t likely. Especially when a kid can see it’s not realistic he will ever earn minutes at that level.
It’s always evolving and especially with the new transfer rules but I think the Baylor model from last year might stick for a while.
You admit title caliber rotations will be about 8 guys and yet remain this fixated on Glenn’s scholarship
Here's the problem. There was actually a window to maximizing the 2022-23 roster for a national contender despite the heavy losses.
Maybe Moussa stays, if not I am confident Howard will get a high caliber transfer to replace him.
So now there is one ship left. Maybe Johns doesn't stay around, but I hope he does. Now we are out of ships.
The 1/2 positions are fine.
The three spot with Barnes and Jett is good, but not national title good (too young is the problem). .....maybe a high level wing is open in the transfer portal.....but now we are out of ships because Glenn was necessary so he could sit on the bench in hopes of someday out programming Will Tschetter as a program guy.
Is it a massive dent? No. It was just an unnecessary act. Give me the option to have that last ship as possibility instead of getting a guy with limited value to the roster.
I feel like the baylor model was super unique, just dont see two transfers like butler and mitchell coming around. 2 transfers because of playing time to lottery pick level(butler went lower because of medical issues) seems like a once a generation scenario. Gonzaga has the model down imo, one or two elite recruits a year + two'ish kids in the 30-100 range then one or two stud transfers per year.
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Over analyzing. 8 months before last season you had Dejulius, Bajema, and Castleton projected for minutes in 2020/21.
Now 13 months before 2022/23 our ceiling is set.
It’s amazing you can type the recognizing how much turnover there is year to year and still hyper focus on each scholarship spot. It comes down to will we be loaded with talent? Yes. Do we have a good coach? Yes. If those things are both yes then I trust we will have a competitive rotation. We’ll see who steps up between now and then.
Oh yes, that worked out wonderfully at the beginning of the Big Ten season that year.
I yearn for that two point guard lineup inching past the bottom shelf teams at Crisler and getting blasted on the road by top 40 caliber clubs like Purdue/OSU that season.
A lot of um people like to use Beilein finds as justification for recruits but that’s a bad habit. One Beilein was an incredible evaluator, two for every Duncan Robinson caris levert Maar etc there was a Blake mclimans, cole bajema, Colton Christian, adrien Nunez etc that had no business being at um.
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The two PG thing can work well if they have some decent off-ball qualities as well. Had a good amount of national title teams play lineups that are pretty close to 2 PG - Baylor, Nova with Brunson/Archidiacano (sp?), Louisvile with Siva/Smith, Duke with Cook/Jones.
I guess the gist of my post is that super talented dudes can generally find a way to coexist pretty well.
Then there's Purdue that can't find a true PG to save our life. Would kill to get the DGL kid, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
The funny thing is that if Beilein had recruited as such over the last two years I would have just given a pass over taking Glenn.
I would have been elated at his recruiting and assumed he would level off and maybe not get a guy of GG in the next class (or struggled in the portal). I would also have faith he would develop him as well.
I'm not there yet with Juwan, although I like what he is doing. And he is killing it in recruiting so I have full faith he can get someone much better at that position in the next class. Why did you do that to yourself, Juwan? It was so unnecessary.
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Purdue? I mean, jealous? Naaah. They've been steady/good. Under the certain circumstances of IU hoops, I'd take what Purdue has done the past few years.
As for Illinois? 🤣 🤣 🤣 . You dudes missed the tourney for 8 straight years, until getting a 1-seed last year----then got your asses whooped by Loyola.
And yet we are going to lose our collective minds over Gregg Glenn.
We might run some 2 pg lineups this year, but anytime you have Bruce prowling out there, you're running a 2 pg lineup. Natty here we come.
If there was a tourney in 2019 we would’ve been in it, and actually had a shot for a run. Unlike you know, Indiana… but alas it was canceled.
Unfortunately for you we are set up for another 1 or 2 seed, while you will most likely be sweating it out on selection Sunday.
How many years does Woodson get before you fire him in the hopes Brad Stevens is finally interested?
IU would have also been in the tournament in 2019. Illinois would have been a 5-7 seed while IU would have been a 9-11 seed. Not likely either team would have made a run.
As would have Indiana...
Illinois had a shot for a run? At what-----the 2nd round?
Not sure who long Woodson gets. Irrelevant to the conversation.
Tom Crean has same amount of Big 10 titles, than the past 3 Illinois coaches......Weber, Groce and Underwood. You guys havent been to the SW 16 in 17 years.
Why the **** would any IU fan be jealous of that? What----because you were a 1-seed that got boat raced in the 2nd round?
Lol at Indiana having a similar run as a 9-10 seed compared to a 5 or 6 seed Illinois. But that’s here nor there.
Woodson’s relevant to the conversation as your fan base puts ridiculous expectations on your coaches and it shows as they wilt under the pressure. Woodson will be no different.
Don’t worry though, Brad Stevens is already getting his resume ready.
5 seeds make sweet 16’s all the time.
But it’s good to hear you think 5≈9
On par with your usual takes
Once again, you overstate Illinois’s position in college basketball. You were a 7 seed according to the bracketologists. You were 39th in the NET rankings that year.
Before we played Iowa and Wisconsin in the BTT, who we went 2-1 against that year and a combined 4-0 the year after with almost identical rosters.Once again, you overstate Illinois’s position in college basketball. You were a 7 seed according to the bracketologists. You were 39th in the NET rankings that year.
With the press we would’ve gotten by going to a conference tournament title game, who knows we could’ve been a 3 or a 4 seed.
Let me guess, you think Michigan should’ve been a higher seed with a worse record and conference record?
Because Gonzaga or something.
Lol oh so you just made crap up? You could have just as easily lost your first game and been even worse than a 7 seed.
It’s all theoretical as it didn’t play out, which is why I said we went 2-1 against those teams that season.
And 4-0 the next season, with almost identical rosters.
But continue on with your 5-7 seed has the same chances in the tourney as a 9-11 seed.
Huh? I think seeds should be projected on where things stood not extrapolating a trip to the conference tournament finals.
So exactly what I asked you, you believe Michigan should’ve been a higher seed with a worse record and conference record?
Did I say they have the same chances? I’m saying the chances were very small for either team to make a run. You would have been dogs in your second round game regardless on if you were a 5 seed or 7 seed. The very next year with the “same team”, you lost to a 9 seed. Banking on having made the sweet 16 in 19-20 is simply wishful thinking on your part. Completely understandable given your history since 2005.
Is that what the computer projections were at the time? I don’t even know. I just don’t think it’s fair to wait “we would’ve beat Wisconsin and Iowa and improved our seed”. Maybe you would have, maybe you wouldn’t have.
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