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I will wait for a larger sample size on Penny, as it looks like they won’t get a 5-star in 2022 either.
Unless Yohan Traore shocks the world and goes to college instead of going directly to the draft.
Have I made anything close to those claims? I’ve been pretty adamant that Michigan and Purdue are the top tier teams in the league this year. It makes Illinois fans mad though.
Gildiana?
The dude said we brought back a bunch of wings who don’t play defense. We return 1 actual wing. There are ways to shit on this roster and he went with something so off base.
He somehow goes 0-6 on every IU statement. Trojan is somehow 100000% more sane.
Dug is fine. The ideal PG situation is to have a guy who is clearly the alpha (in this case Collins who is a stud and a year older) with the other a beta (top 100 type like Dug).
Michigan needed a PG in the class and got one who won't be a pissed off sophomore when he is getting 12 mpg and leave the team (like a top 50 kid would at that point).
Glenn though is a waste of ship that serves no benefit and only limits the ability to utilize the portal at the end of the year.
It's a B+ caliber class based on Juwan wasting a shape on Glenn. Juwan would get an A- for the class if it was only the other three.
You guys are too good for a kid ranked 108 on composite?
He’s ranked higher than Isaiah Barnes and Will Tschetter.
Barnes and Tschetter came out of nowhere to rise up to be top 150 prospects. Glenn started out as a near 5 star and has dropped nearly every update. The trajectories are different, and that is why most Michigan fans are down on him. It’s gone too far IMO though as fans are acting like we just signed another Adrian Nunez. Just in the last 10 years we’ve had guys like LeVert, Morgan, MAAR, Duncan Robinson, etc. who most fans didn’t want when they committed so you’d think they would maybe reserve judgement a bit.
I feel like college basketball fans in general don’t really understand roster construction. There are 13 scholarship players and most schools play 7-8. You have room to take developmental types with upsides (ie Barnes) or guys who will be good teammates and likely not bolt for the portal the first year they’re not starting. Not every prospect can or should be a top 50-100 type
Agree with all that. I didn’t know Glenn started out as a 5 star. What happened?
I'd agree other than the transfer portal makes taking most developmental guys not worth it. Go for your plan As and Bs (in certain instances), and use the portal to round out your roster.
I think the transfer portal is useful but relying on it too heavily can be an issue. Most guys in the portal are over recruited and don't end up being as good as people think. They also can disrupt locker room chemistry if you don't get a good fit.
I'd rather use the 13th scholarship to take a flyer on a developmental guy and if he works out fine. If he doesn't, it's not as big an issue as he will probably transfer out.
I don’t think he was ever a 5 star but he was #36 on rivals this time last year. He is one of those guys as far back as middle school who was being touted as a future stud. Typical story, guy at a young age is just bigger, faster, etc than the guys around him. Player plateaus while everyone else makes up ground on him. Juwan loves him and he does have some skill so I’m fine with the pickup.
I still think there’s room for both. There is so much turnover in college basketball these days that scholarships will always open up. As a Michigan fan I was obviously very happy with the additions of Mike Smith and Chaundee Brown but I was glad we had an Austin Davis as well.
You’re probably right, taking Glenn has pretty down as does passing on the great chance at Trimble(who I thought was a better player and roster fit because he’s a bigger pg and could have played with McDaniel) for for McDaniel. Agree with poster above on Glenn vs guys like tschetter, Williams and Barnes, it’s not a rankings thing, it’s a trajectory and skills thing. Tschetter is 6ft 8 fast rising elite shooting big, Barnes has ridiculous tools and williams is just that all around high motor really good college player you always see. Glenn is just meh at a bunch of stuff and has dropped like a rock.
How are you guys ever going to compete w/o a 5* one and done type?
RIP Michigan basketball.
In 2012/13 we played for a national title with Blake McLimans, Eso Akune, Max Bielfeldt, and Matt Vogrich on scholarships. They were all useless that
In 2017/18 we played for a national championship with Jaaron Simmons, Eli Brooks, Ibi Watson, and Austin Davis on scholarships. They were all useless that year.
This idea from Michigan fans that you need to hit big on all your scholarships is hilarious. Wasting one would be wiping your ass with it. Using one on forward that will probably at worst case be better than Adrian Nunez at everything basketball related is not a big deal. If Greg Glenn only ever becomes useful as an 8th guy in the rotation is junior and senior years we’ll still be fine from an overall roster standpoint.
3-4 misses? Bad. One or two misses? Nothing burger.
In 2017/18 we played for a national championship with Jaaron Simmons, Eli Brooks, Ibi Watson, and Austin Davis on scholarships. They were all useless that year.
This idea from Michigan fans that you need to hit big on all your scholarships is hilarious. Wasting one would be wiping your ass with it. Using one on forward that will probably at worst case be better than Adrian Nunez at everything basketball related is not a big deal. If Greg Glenn only ever becomes useful as an 8th guy in the rotation is junior and senior years we’ll still be fine from an overall roster standpoint.
3-4 misses? Bad. One or two misses? Nothing burger.
Somebody get the fvcker over here stat.
Matt Norlander's 1-358 team rankings is out.
B1G teams:
2 Purdue
5 Michigan
7 Illinois
18 OSU
22 Maryland
23 IU
34 MSU
39 Rutgers
53 Wisconsin
57 NW
59 Iowa
84 Penn State
99 Nebraska
155 Minnesota
Too high - Purdue, IU, NW, Iowa
Too low - OSU, Rutgers
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B1G teams:
2 Purdue
5 Michigan
7 Illinois
18 OSU
22 Maryland
23 IU
34 MSU
39 Rutgers
53 Wisconsin
57 NW
59 Iowa
84 Penn State
99 Nebraska
155 Minnesota
Too high - Purdue, IU, NW, Iowa
Too low - OSU, Rutgers
College basketball No. 1-358 rankings: Preseason countdown concludes with top 68 teams for 2021-22 season
Check out the top teams in the CBS Sports ranking of all 358 NCAA Division I college basketball teams
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He ended up being okay for us as a junior, too. But we were still able to play for a national title when he was terrible. Don't really need rotations to go past 8-9. 13 scholarships is alot.
Purdue’s too lowMatt Norlander's 1-358 team rankings is out.
B1G teams:
2 Purdue
5 Michigan
7 Illinois
18 OSU
22 Maryland
23 IU
34 MSU
39 Rutgers
53 Wisconsin
57 NW
59 Iowa
84 Penn State
99 Nebraska
155 Minnesota
Too high - Purdue, IU, NW, Iowa
Too low - OSU, Rutgers
College basketball No. 1-358 rankings: Preseason countdown concludes with top 68 teams for 2021-22 season
Check out the top teams in the CBS Sports ranking of all 358 NCAA Division I college basketball teams
It’s such a psycho move to rank every d1 team. I like norlander a lot, but he has too much time on his hands. Go hang out with your kids or something buddy, no one cares if Bryant is better than Elon*Matt Norlander's 1-358 team rankings is out.
B1G teams:
2 Purdue
5 Michigan
7 Illinois
18 OSU
22 Maryland
23 IU
34 MSU
39 Rutgers
53 Wisconsin
57 NW
59 Iowa
84 Penn State
99 Nebraska
155 Minnesota
Too high - Purdue, IU, NW, Iowa
Too low - OSU, Rutgers
College basketball No. 1-358 rankings: Preseason countdown concludes with top 68 teams for 2021-22 season
Check out the top teams in the CBS Sports ranking of all 358 NCAA Division I college basketball teams
*I don’t remember if those teams are good or not, that may be a bad example. Maybe I’ve talked myself back into the list…
I agree #2 is too high. All the other ones I’ve seen have Purdue 5 to 7.Matt Norlander's 1-358 team rankings is out.
B1G teams:
2 Purdue
5 Michigan
7 Illinois
18 OSU
22 Maryland
23 IU
34 MSU
39 Rutgers
53 Wisconsin
57 NW
59 Iowa
84 Penn State
99 Nebraska
155 Minnesota
Too high - Purdue, IU, NW, Iowa
Too low - OSU, Rutgers
College basketball No. 1-358 rankings: Preseason countdown concludes with top 68 teams for 2021-22 season
Check out the top teams in the CBS Sports ranking of all 358 NCAA Division I college basketball teams
Minnesota is too high.Matt Norlander's 1-358 team rankings is out.
B1G teams:
2 Purdue
5 Michigan
7 Illinois
18 OSU
22 Maryland
23 IU
34 MSU
39 Rutgers
53 Wisconsin
57 NW
59 Iowa
84 Penn State
99 Nebraska
155 Minnesota
Too high - Purdue, IU, NW, Iowa
Too low - OSU, Rutgers
College basketball No. 1-358 rankings: Preseason countdown concludes with top 68 teams for 2021-22 season
Check out the top teams in the CBS Sports ranking of all 358 NCAA Division I college basketball teams
Oh, I know. I was going to put something about Big Ten hype being his cargo.
Trimble is a stud. The problem is I've never felt two stud (top 50 caliber) points in back to back classes work. You need the younger to know he either will have the reigns by his junior year or know the older may go pro early. In this Frankie might be a four year guy which happens often for top 50 guys who are his height. I think Dug will at least accept being a backup 10-15 mpg for two years with the hopes of being the guy as a junior.
It's not his ranking necessarily. It's taking a guy of his ranking in three straight classes.
In theory Michigan won't need him until he is a junior with TWill and Will holding down the spot.
So you don't panic and just take him and continue to make what projects to be an average four spot in the Big Ten. He doesn't add anything for his first two years. Just takes away a potential spot in the transfer portal.
Maybe Michigan doesn't fill that spot in the transfer portal. Maybe Juwan can't get a stud four in the next class, but this does nothing.
A lot of Michigan fans think we are still stuck in 2018 where the transfer portal is non existent except the grads. They like to throw out 'program' guys and how we need. That is true to an extent. Michigan has a program guy at his position in the class before. His name is Will Tschetter.
Take too many program guys and you end up getting blitzed in the S16 by teams like Kentucky who will poach very good players from mediocre programs like Davidson and Iowa.
Did you even watch Baylor win the NC last season? Go look at the last 10 national champions, and then look at how many of them are built with 5 star freshman. NIL may change it back, but that model hasn't worked very well recently.
Get old. Stay old. Pepper in a stud freshman or two here and there.
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