****Official B1G Off Season Thread****
- Thread starter bMORE607
- Start date
- Status
Decent chance at it, yea. Will certainly be ranked higher than Illinois’s class.
Not even you are dumb enough to make a claim that far out there. I was just reminding you of where your recruiting is at under your savior.
If/When Clowney commits IU will have a top 10 class and borderline top 5.
Your class would be 7th with Clowney right now.
Which if I’m correct would mean not top 5, and was my point from the very beginning.
That also doesn’t include other teams getting recruits. Like Michigan who will jump you when Juwan’s son commits.
Very likely it will be borderline top 10 by the end of the cycle, which again is not top 5 like you said.
Lol I said borderline top 5. Also, I have no idea what I will do if we only have a top 10 class and not a top 5 class. It would be just awful….
Nice backtrack.
Illinois will have a class in between 10-15, and yet they will produce better than your “borderline top 5” class, that’s actually ranked 11th or something by the end lol
Kenpom adjusts for strength of schedule. You know this and you cite Kenpom a lot. As you once said about Sheriff: it doesn’t fit your narrative here so you dismiss it.
Yes even after the tournament, it was close. But I’m replying to a guy that said it isn’t Michigan “by any stretch of the imagination”. We literally won the conference (asterisk if you’d like), made it further in the tournament, and were rated better by Kenpom. You don’t have to stretch the imagination to take Michigan’s overall 2021 body of work.
With Rodgers our class would be 11th (currently) and I’d bet we add at least one more guy.
Not sure who though.
Your class won’t be top when everything is finished.
Your sudden confidence in Rodgers is that he is moving high schools to play for his AAU coach who is a friend of your third assistant?
That would be last year, which Howard would have an argument for.
2 years was what he was talking about.
I don’t remember him being a serious target. Wasn’t aware we even recruited him.
I’m pretty sure I said we’d get one of Whitmore or Rodgers a couple weeks ago.
Sounds good if our 3rd assistant can back into a top 60 kid and get him over MSU, Memphis, Alabama, etc.
Two years ago we finished higher in both Kenpom and Torvik. It’s not crazy to say we were the better team that season.
Torvik:
Michigan - 14
Illinois - 29
Is that a stretch of the imagination to say Michigan was better overall in 2020? The two top analytics services both say that.
KenPom is a another tool that we have to contextualize. Even he has said it’s not a measure of rank or who is better.
Why would you not use performance against the same opponents in conference and head to head to measure which is the better team?
247 has Glenn at 80. Rivals has Glenn at 77.
How do you rank the recruiting services that go into composite rankings?
19-12 and 10-10 in conference
Or
21-10 and 13-7 in conference
Plus 2-0 head-to-head.
Because it discounts like 40% of the season which can also used to evaluate who the better team is. If you just use conference games you are dismissing things like our 2020 Maui Invitational where we beat #1 Gonzaga by 18 and our Elite 8 run in 2021.
Those things matter when talking about how good a team was in a given year. Not just conference play.
You guys have touted Torvik all offseason now his ratings are irrelevant. Got it.
You’re measuring an average over an entire period. If you’re seeing how a new knee works, you probably discount the rehab. I like too see teams after they work out the kinks. Illinois was the better team to finish the season.
Permanent bet says I can kind a post where you cite a team as better by citing their Torvik or Kenpom rank. Accept?
I guarantee it. I don’t fight fair with some people because they don’t know better and that’s their job to figure out. KenPom is an efficiency measurement plain and simple.
I haven’t even asked to discount our literal rehab when Livers missed 6 weeks in 2020. Even when you include those 6 weeks he missed we were rated higher.
@NC_Trojan10
Posted this on September 17th, him transferring is just confirmation of how I originally felt.
Like you said about Sheriff:
“No, he likes whatever suits his narrative at that moment. Kenpom doesn't, so it's not important today.”
Neither tool is a be all end all, but they are certainly useful when discussing which team is better. Adjusted points per and adjusted points allowed per possession are pretty big factors in ranking teams.
It’s important. It’s just not the end all be all. When I havebetter data points, I use those. Beating you 3x, winning more games, higher win percentage, better conference records all point to Illinois. You had more efficient seasons. I’ll give you that.
Michigan was on the road that’s putting too much weight into small sample size head to head. Northwestern beat our team that played for a national title.
- Status
Similar threads
