****Official B1G Off Season Thread****

[Jaycg15]

And I'm agreeing. But maybe more skeptical than you at this point.

I disagree. I'm way more skeptical. Fight me.

 

[jwardelt]

I disagree. I'm way more skeptical. Fight me.

 

[Ingersol]

Without Cockburn yeah I think so, but with him they’re probably better.

I personally like MSU more

 

[Jaycg15]

So you must think Illinois is winning like 25 games this year?

It's not out of the realm of possibility, but I'm not predicting win totals until I see the schedule.

 

[Ingersol]

It's not out of the realm of possibility, but I'm not predicting win totals until I see the schedule.

That seems like a logical win total for a 2 seed right?

 

[RichardMassive]

1. Curbelo
2. Frazier.
3. Hutcherson
4. Grandison
5. Cockburn

Off the bench, Plummer, Williams, Payne, and 3 freshman.

Cockburn is a beast and Curbelo is crafty as hell, but that lineup doesnt scream top 3 or even really top 5 in the conference on paper. You Illinois fans are acting very homeboardish with this one in not demonstrating any objectiveness here

 

[Jaycg15]

 

[Jaycg15]

Cockburn is a beast and Curbelo is crafty as hell, but that lineup doesnt scream top 3 or even really top 5 in the conference on paper. You Illinois fans are acting very homeboardish with this one in not demonstrating any objectiveness here

T-Rank #3 in the country. Pretty damn objective.

 

[gowolverines8]

I’ll ask you. What has he done to not deserve more recognition?

His first year Osu was considered an NIT team preseason and they were a 5 seed.

2nd year they were considered a stretch to be a CBI team in the preseason and they were a 10 seed

3rd year Osu was dominant and was #2 in the country before injuries slowed them down for about 4/5 weeks in January and February. Got healthy and were playing great before shutdown. They were a 3/4 seed according to most.

Last year they were a 2 seed despite more injuries.

Holtmann is really good I think he’ll always have osu as top 20 team, I do wonder if he’ll ever be able to attract high level enough talent to make osu a true national title contender.

 

[Ingersol]

What is the reasoning for Illinois over Indiana? Seems like Indiana has a more complete roster.

 

[Noahtogo24]

Yeah even with Kofi, I would still have MD over Illinois to begin the season...

 

[boiler1987]

Even with Kofi, I don’t think Illinois has a top 5 roster in the league tbh.

 

[RichardMassive]

T-Rank #3 in the country. Pretty damn objective.

Ughhhh where are you seeing that? Projection I saw had you at 26 without cockburn which I think is the pretty damn accurate. You’re top 15-20ish with him IMO

 

[jwardelt]

Even with Kofi, I don’t think Illinois has a top 5 roster in the league tbh.

I think they'd be top 5 in the league but not the country. Maybe that's what they've been arguing all this time. Top 5 or 10 in the conference. Now it all makes sense.

 

[MGC_07]

I personally like MSU more

I love the support but could I ask why? Is there anyone you’re particularly high on?

 

[ThreeTwaunMoore]

Even with Kofi, I don’t think Illinois has a top 5 roster in the league tbh.

How not?

 

[Ingersol]

I love the support but could I ask why? Is there anyone you’re particularly high on?

Max Christie is going to be a D'Angelo Russell level player in my opinion. One and done.

 

[VulvHa]

I love the support but could I ask why? Is there anyone you’re particularly high on?

I would guess he is high on Christie?

 

[Jaycg15]

Ughhhh where are you seeing that? Projection I saw had you at 26 without cockburn which I think is the pretty damn accurate. You’re top 15-20ish with him IMO

You can add him back to the team on t rank.

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[Ingersol]

I love the support but could I ask why? Is there anyone you’re particularly high on?

I also am high on Julius Marble as a low post scorer

 

[Jaycg15]

I also am high on Julius Marble as a low post scorer

Okay, I think Christie is a stud, but you lose me on Marble as a difference maker in this discussion.

 

[Ingersol]

Okay, I think Christie is a stud, but you lose me on Marble as a difference maker in this discussion.

Yeah he's not as highly touted as a D3 transfer

 

[Jaycg15]

Yeah he's not as highly touted as a D3 transfer

I mean he’s probably going to be fine, but I don’t foresee him being a guy that changes MSU’s projection significantly. It’s certainly possible, but I think unlikely.

 

[Ingersol]

I mean he’s probably going to be fine, but I don’t foresee him being a guy that changes MSU’s projection significantly. It’s certainly possible, but I think unlikely.

He seems more likely than Hutcherson being a starter

 

[GOO_HAM]

Max Christie is going to be a D'Angelo Russell level player in my opinion. One and done.

Lol you know his coach is Tom Izzo right ?

 

[jwardelt]

Lol you know his coach is Tom Izzo right ?

Izzo will berate him into coming back?

 

[Jaycg15]

He seems more likely than Hutcherson being a starter

I don’t know about the likelihood of Marble, but it sounds like it Hutcherson is healthy, he’s a no doubt starter. Underwood thinks he’s really good.

 

[MGC_07]

Lol you know his coach is Tom Izzo right ?

Christie has also said he would be very open to staying multiple years. I’m sure UM fans would lose their minds.

Kelvin Torbert was 20 years ago, can we give this up? Cassius and Tillman and Henry were 4 stars and NBA players, JJJ went 4th, Bridges went 12th. It’s a lazy narrative at this point.

 

[GOO_HAM]

Izzo will berate him into coming back?

It worked with Bridges 🤣🤣

 

[GOO_HAM]

Christie has also said he would be very open to staying multiple years. I’m sure UM fans would lose their minds.

Kelvin Torbert was 20 years ago, can we give this up? Cassius and Tillman and Henry were 4 stars and NBA players, JJJ went 4th, Bridges went 12th. It’s a lazy narrative at this point.

Hahahaha OF COURSE HE SAID THAT

 

[Jaycg15]

Christie has also said he would be very open to staying multiple years. I’m sure UM fans would lose their minds.

Kelvin Torbert was 20 years ago, can we give this up? Cassius and Tillman and Henry were 4 stars and NBA players, JJJ went 4th, Bridges went 12th. It’s a lazy narrative at this point.

Look who you’re talking to. Laziness isn’t the word.

 

[Ingersol]

I don’t know about the likelihood of Marble, but it sounds like it Hutcherson is healthy, he’s a no doubt starter. Underwood thinks he’s really good.

Is this the plan for Illinois? A d3 transfer manning the wing?

 

[MGC_07]

He seems more likely than Hutcherson being a starter

You’re off on Marble, Bingham is definitely better and will be the starter, and I could see Sissoko passing him on the depth chart.

Marble is an undersized 5 that doesn’t make up for it with great quickness and isn’t a great defender. He’s probably the best low post scorer out of the bigs but that’s not saying much as that’s something we lack in this roster.

 

[flight 33]

That seems like a logical win total for a 2 seed right?

Depends , you also ha e to factor if teams will be allowed to duck teams and not play a full schedule etc…

 

[Orlando Buckeye]

I'd hope that anyone inheriting a program with Keita Bates-Diop, Kaleb Wesson, Andre Wesson, CJ Jackson, and Jae'Sean Tate would have more success than someone inheriting Trent Frazier, Leron Black, Mark Alstork, and Michael Finke. Underwood was rebuilding while Holtmann was maintaining. Big difference.

Underwood would have had a 5/6 seed and a 1 seed the past two seasons. That's pretty comparable to a 3/4 and a 2 seed. Like I said, he's right there with Holtmann, but Holtmann has finished below Underwood the past two years, and only finished 1 game up in their second year when Underwood completely blew up the roster and started over.

The spread on conf SOS's is so small that it is a decent indicator.

Wr can agree to disagree.

 

[Archetype19]

So you must think Illinois is winning like 25 games this year?

Yes.

 

[Ingersol]

Yes.

Ok

 

[otte21]

Do illinois fans know what “floor” means? It doesn’t meant 85% percentile outcome lmao

 

[Ingersol]

You’re off on Marble, Bingham is definitely better and will be the starter, and I could see Sissoko passing him on the depth chart.

Marble is an undersized 5 that doesn’t make up for it with great quickness and isn’t a great defender. He’s probably the best low post scorer out of the bigs but that’s not saying much as that’s something we lack in this roster.

Lets see. MSU historically likes 2 bigs. Its worked for them and Izzo. I feel Marble is going to be a low post scorer.

 

[Jaycg15]

Wr can agree to disagree.

I think Holtmann is an excellent coach. I just think he’s failed when he’s had the opportunity to take that next step. He’s going to be in the league for a long time, and I’m sure he will have his moments.