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Why? Because he was should be senior in HS, playing in the B10? Thats just a dumb analysis. Never mind the fact as the season wore on, Lander improved. His last two games, he totaled 15 points, 5 assists, with only 1 turnover---in 38 total minutes. You could see as the season went, he got more comfortable with game, i.e. the speed, tempo, etc, etc.. I think Millers management of him was more of a deterrent to his development,opposed to his ability. Miller buried the kid. I get that,to an extent. But then again, why do encouraged a kid to recalssify, then bury his ass on the bench? Even after his two, back to back solid games vs Michigan/MSU, Miller only played him 7 minutes vs Purdue, and not at all vs Rutgers. Head scratching for sure. SOmething his dad spoke openly about.

Lander is going to be just fine. He's got a full year under his belt..He's now gonna get a normal, non-COVID summer---Which is gonna be very helpful. Not sure what the future holds with the additons of Johnson, Bates, Stewart.....But I do feel Lander is going to be a much better player. Kid is uber talented. Great passing ability, elite speed with the ball. He simply didn't play enough last season. And he should have.
He should have been dropped when he reclassified if that is the case. If it takes a couple years of development to make a significant impact on the court, a player isn’t a 5*.
 
Lol yea we are the biggest brand, most popular, and flagship basketball program in the state.

Even with how bad we have been the last few years, we are still more popular than you.

How’s that working out for you guys?
 
He should have been dropped when he reclassified if that is the case. If it takes a couple years of development to make a significant impact on the court, a player isn’t a 5*.
You are dismissing factors in this...COVID for one. Especially for an incoming freshman, who in reality, should have been a senior in HS. Instead of a summer full of workouts, he was stuck in a dorm room..Instead of getting in multiple workouts, practices, he got none. No exh games as well. That played a role---But I get it---Your a Purdue guy. There's gonna be no common ground,or sense here, on your part. I understand Ivey, as a freshman, under went the same issues. But Ivey wasn't a should be senior in HS, either. That too, plays a role.

Then there is the PT, part. Painter didn't bury Ivey on the bench. Ivey was allowed a freedom, that Lander was not: 24mpg for Ivey, 10 for Lander. Miller IMO really mismanaged Lander...He played 14 minutes in IU's opener---He had 5 points, 2 assist, 1 steal and no turnovers....Then, well, he played 6 minutes next game.. Then Miller runs him there for 16 minutes vs Texas. Which made no sense. Follwed that with 18 vs Providence---Had 5 points, 4 assists, 1 steal and no turnovers..Solid. So whats Miller do?

Rewards him with 6 minutes vs FSU.

Then he plays 17 vs N Alabama, has 10 points, 4 assist, 4 rebounds, 2 turnovers...

Miller rewards that with 2 minutes vs Butler. MOF, after those 17 minutes vs N Alabama, Lander didn't reach double digits in minutes played for 10 straight games. Amazinly, he only played more than 5 minutes, ONCE....Vs Illinois.

Absurd. Especially when you consider how bad at times IU's backcourt was---especially Phinisee. Even more mindboggling was the fact that Miller played him 10+ minutes 9 times over the final 11 games. Makes no sense. You bury a kid for a month, then throw him to the wolves..What type of results did you expect?

Then he has two, solid back to back games vs Michigan/MSU---and what does Miller do? Plays him a TOTAL of 7 minutes vs Purdue/Rutgers...

Maybe Lander was rated to high...He did drop though after the reclass---and was 81st RSCI---Ivey was 87th.

Bottom line---Lander was mismanaged IMO, especially early. He should have played more---a lot more. Especially with the struggles of Phin. But he didn't. Thats on Miller. Not to mention the offense Miller ran, really didn't suit Landers game. I think that changes with Woody.

At the end of the day, its silly to "write off" a kid after one year, in a pandemic year to boot. If he has the same issues/struggles this year---your claim has much more merit. Until then, not much TBH.
 
Kopp has no hope in anything professional. He’ll be playing at the Y with Boudreaux.
😂😂😂😂. Trevion can join Biggie after his pro career flops. The fast food restaurants and donut shops in their town will have record breaking revenue.
 
You are dismissing factors in this...COVID for one. Especially for an incoming freshman, who in reality, should have been a senior in HS. Instead of a summer full of workouts, he was stuck in a dorm room..Instead of getting in multiple workouts, practices, he got none. No exh games as well. That played a role---But I get it---Your a Purdue guy. There's gonna be no common ground,or sense here, on your part. I understand Ivey, as a freshman, under went the same issues. But Ivey wasn't a should be senior in HS, either. That too, plays a role.

Then there is the PT, part. Painter didn't bury Ivey on the bench. Ivey was allowed a freedom, that Lander was not: 24mpg for Ivey, 10 for Lander. Miller IMO really mismanaged Lander...He played 14 minutes in IU's opener---He had 5 points, 2 assist, 1 steal and no turnovers....Then, well, he played 6 minutes next game.. Then Miller runs him there for 16 minutes vs Texas. Which made no sense. Follwed that with 18 vs Providence---Had 5 points, 4 assists, 1 steal and no turnovers..Solid. So whats Miller do?

Rewards him with 6 minutes vs FSU.

Then he plays 17 vs N Alabama, has 10 points, 4 assist, 4 rebounds, 2 turnovers...

Miller rewards that with 2 minutes vs Butler. MOF, after those 17 minutes vs N Alabama, Lander didn't reach double digits in minutes played for 10 straight games. Amazinly, he only played more than 5 minutes, ONCE....Vs Illinois.

Absurd. Especially when you consider how bad at times IU's backcourt was---especially Phinisee. Even more mindboggling was the fact that Miller played him 10+ minutes 9 times over the final 11 games. Makes no sense. You bury a kid for a month, then throw him to the wolves..What type of results did you expect?

Then he has two, solid back to back games vs Michigan/MSU---and what does Miller do? Plays him a TOTAL of 7 minutes vs Purdue/Rutgers...

Maybe Lander was rated to high...He did drop though after the reclass---and was 81st RSCI---Ivey was 87th.

Bottom line---Lander was mismanaged IMO, especially early. He should have played more---a lot more. Especially with the struggles of Phin. But he didn't. Thats on Miller. Not to mention the offense Miller ran, really didn't suit Landers game. I think that changes with Woody.

At the end of the day, its silly to "write off" a kid after one year, in a pandemic year to boot. If he has the same issues/struggles this year---your claim has much more merit. Until then, not much TBH.
In other cases, they have dropped players when they reclassified. That is my point. 5* players are expected to make an immediate impact. There is no way in fck Lander should have stayed a 5*. If they went back re-ranked now, he wouldn’t even be top 150 while Ivey would be much much higher and Edey would jump at least 300 spots.
 
Yep, but at least Cline made an impact in college. Kopp is Cline with a much worse outside shot, so basically star for IU, but a scrub overall.
So are you talking about their impacts on the court, or what they will do after they leave college. You seem to be jumping around.
 
The point is Trevion and Cline >>>>>> Kopp you fcking moron.
At what? The original point was that neither Trevion or Kopp have a shot at the NBA (neither did Cline), and it was a waste of time for either to put their name in the draft or declare that thy were coming back. Try to keep up.
 
Go show me where I said that. I said he isn’t an ELITE or TOP TIER athlete. You often attempt to misconstrue what people say to try to make a point. It doesn’t work.

He is an elite/top tier athlete lol. Another clown post.
 
Go show me where I said that. I said he isn’t an ELITE or TOP TIER athlete. You often attempt to misconstrue what people say to try to make a point. It doesn’t work.
For his age group and in college he absolutely is.
 
At what? The original point was that neither Trevion or Kopp have a shot at the NBA (neither did Cline), and it was a waste of time for either to put their name in the draft or declare that thy were coming back. Try to keep up.
Nah Ivey not that athletic compared to LeBron or Giannis. Sorry. :(
 
At what? The original point was that neither Trevion or Kopp have a shot at the NBA (neither did Cline), and it was a waste of time for either to put their name in the draft or declare that thy were coming back. Try to keep up.
At basketball. Comparing Kopp to Trevion is moronic. By your logic we can compare Trevion to B-Westy.
 
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