When the she-nurse arrives, do you want it handed to you or smeared across your face?
I'm gonna go with
"Ivy League teammates and a first year HC"
Depends on if you are the nurse, sugar tits.
*Official* B1G Off-season Thread
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Depends on if you are the nurse, sugar tits.
Yes....Yes I did. Don't know why the fvck I typed "Hunter". Henry is going to be really good.
Edit: LOL...I had to edit b/c I said Hunter---again. Seesh.
I'm 30 years old and Purdue hasn't reached a Final Four in my lifetime. Wtf are you talking shit about?
This one counted for like 8 points though, right?
The most impressive thing Purdue has done in the past 6 years are two dunks vs IU.
Rutgers:
Geo Baker
Peter Kiss
Issa Thiam
Eugene Omoryuri
Shaq Doorson
Bench:
Montez Mathis
Shaq Carter (Two Shaq’s!)
Ron Harper Jr.
Caleb McConnell
Myles Johnson
Mamadou Doucoure
We’ll play all 11. Shortest rotation player is 6’4” and we have five guys 6’9"+ in the rotation. We bring three players off the bench who were four star kids on Rivals. Been a while since Rutgers could say that. In two years of Coach P we’ve shown we will defend and rebound. As poor as we were last year we did beat: Seton Hall, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and Northwestern. Plus we took @MSU, FSU and PU (2x) to the final minute. Only one Senior so we are a year or two away but I think we will be a pain in the neck this year.
Geo Baker
Peter Kiss
Issa Thiam
Eugene Omoryuri
Shaq Doorson
Bench:
Montez Mathis
Shaq Carter (Two Shaq’s!)
Ron Harper Jr.
Caleb McConnell
Myles Johnson
Mamadou Doucoure
We’ll play all 11. Shortest rotation player is 6’4” and we have five guys 6’9"+ in the rotation. We bring three players off the bench who were four star kids on Rivals. Been a while since Rutgers could say that. In two years of Coach P we’ve shown we will defend and rebound. As poor as we were last year we did beat: Seton Hall, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and Northwestern. Plus we took @MSU, FSU and PU (2x) to the final minute. Only one Senior so we are a year or two away but I think we will be a pain in the neck this year.
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I would have loved to take you up on this before my accident. Now, im not going to lie, I've got way too many medical bill's to gamble away money. Only change I would have made is instead of win % I would have wanted it on who got the better NCAA tournament seed. Tbh I haven't looked at Purdue's oocs, and I know IU has a lot of good teams on theres.
Good thing you didn't....He was 3-10.
Edwards is gonna get his. Not to much of a question, really. BUT....can he get support? That will be the question. And what hapens when Edwards has a night where he doesnt(get his)?
You're a fool to assume that there will be a night where Edwards doesn't get his! The dude hits 35 footers with 3 hands in his face on a nightly basis....or something like that.
I gave you a “Like” since no one else did. They seem to value originality here. Good thing for you to consider going forward.
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Different strokes I guess. If you see most here as valuing originality we have completely different definitions of the term originality. What “they” seem to value is cheap trolling and a sheeplike fondness for conformity and reliance on the consensus opinion. Something you might want to consider.
I'm hoping he can come in and play a role as a lockdown defender of opposing wings / guards.
He also seems to have a pretty good handle, decent athleticism, and an improving shot.
I think you have a better backcourt on defense. I think MSU's backcourt on offense is better. Basically the inverse of each other.
We'll have to see on the frontcourts, but as of right now Ward is significantly better than Davis/Teske. The PF spot are probably equal on both teams; unknown at this point.
The difference in defense between the back courts is way bigger than any difference in offense IMO.
Ehhh not sure I agree.
Winston was one of the best shooters in the country, as well the best assist-percentage in the country over the last 2 years (#1 in NCAA his Freshman season, #2 in NCAA last season). He was also #1 in the B1G in Offensive Win Shares, #1 in Offensive Rating, #1 in Offensive Box Plus/Minus, and #5 in the B1G in overall Win Shares.
Simpson was a phenomenal defender, coming in at #6 in Defensive Box Plus/Minus, and #6 in Defensive Win Shares (behind 3 other Michigan players). But he was not even Top-20 in overall win shares (Cash #5), nor Top-20 in overall Box Plus/Minus (Cash #7).
Matthews was/is better than Langford, though. Langford the better shooter, but Matthews better at pretty much everything else. Neither were Top-20 in the B1G for Offensive Rating, while Matthews was #11 in Defensive Rating (Lanford not Top-20). Overall Win Shares, Matthews #17 and Langford not Top-20. Neither ranked in the Top-20 for Overall Box Plus/Minus.
Comparing defensive metrics doesn’t do much for me. Never has. Offensive metrics are a lot more quantifiable.
Simpson grew a lot over the year. I’m pretty sure he came off the bench behind Eli Brooks at the start of the season and by March he was a weapon. Matthews ended up being the regions MOP so he was played his best basketball late, too.
In other words, numbers aren’t going to tell the whole story. Simpson and Matthews are probably the best defensive duo in the country this year.
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Honestly, I’d suggest you scrap defensive win shares. Just realized Wagner led the team in defensive win shares and there isn’t a snowballs chance in hell he was better defensively than Simpson or Matthews. Very odd. He also had more defensive win shares than anyone on MSU and I don’t think he was a better defender than your entire team.
Moe Wagner (average to below average on defense) 2.6 defensive win shares.
Jaren Jackson (conference defensive player of the year) 2.2 defensive win shares
Never been a fan of defensive metrics and this is a good example why.
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I'm not denying that they are a great defensive duo, but offense is still a work in progress for both of them. Neither were Top-20 in any offensive metrics last season in the B1G.
Both are sub-60% FT shooters, and sub-32% from 3PT - last season, and for their careers. We'll see if they can step up their offense, as that will be needed this year without UM's 3 best 3pt shooters (Wagner, Robinson, MAAR) and 3 of their 4 leading scorers (same 3).
I expect Poole to contribute quite a bit (though he actually didn't have the best postseason, besides the half-court 3pt shot). After him would be Livers / Brazdeikis / Johns as far as contributors I assume?
Matthews was elite offensively in the tournament, so hopefully he carries that into this year. Simpson is who he is. Aaron craft esque. Won’t be a scorer but is so good defensively that it’s okay.
See what I’m saying about defensive win shares? I don’t buy a stat that says Moe Wagner was more valuable defensively than Jaren Jackson.
Poole is basically McQuaid with way more upside.
Matthews in the tournament averaged 14.8ppg (1.8ppg more than season average), shot 21% from 3 (11% below season average), shot 50.7% overall FG (1.2% above season average), 6.2rpg (0.7 above season avg), 1.2apg (1.2apg below season average), 2.0 turnovers (same as season avg), 1.2 steals (0.5 above season avg), 0.7 blocks (0.1 above season avg), 54% from FT (1% below season avg).
Poole and McQuaid were about equal last season. Poole definitely has more upside though, since he played less minutes and was only a Freshman.
It will definitely be interesting to see how this season plays out. UM has 2 really good defenders in Simpson and Matthews, plus a potential scorer in Poole. MSU has the offensive weapons in Winston, Langford, and McQuaid - but other than McQuaid, defense is subpar.
Not sure what your point is?
14.8ppg
6.2rpg
1.2apg
1.2spg
0.7bpg
50% from the field
Those are really good numbers especially considering they were against 6 tournament teams and not padded by cupcakes.
Yup, true freshman Poole was about equal to junior Mcquaid in less minutes. I expect Poole to have the better year of the two.
Why do people like Zavier Simpson? He's basically a Chestier Frazier clone. Completely average.
@MileHighSpartan
Out of curiosity, do you know what Winston’s numbers were vs tournament teams? I think averaging 14.8 and 6.2 in 6 tournament games is pretty damn good.
I'd say he's Aaron Craft light. Craft was better offensively, and better defensively.
Craft was 4x Big Ten All Defense, 2x Defensive POY (Soph and Senior years), never averaged less than 2spg in any of his 4 seasons, averaged at least 4.6apg each of his 4 seasons, never shot under 30% from 3 in any season, and won NABC DPOY his senior season.
Zavier still has the potential to catch up to / match some of those awards though.
He's an Aaron Craft-lite clone. His stats are identical to Chester Frazier. Chester Frazier was a lockdown defender as well.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Zavier is a guy that you'll always appreciate, but he's never going to be the best player on the court.
I wasn't saying Matthew's numbers were bad... just that they were almost on par with his season averages. Was he elite offensively, all season?
Winston against NCAAT teams;
Duke: 3pts, 11a, 2r, 0-2 from 3
UNC: 7pts, 7a, 5r, 1-3 from 3
OSU: 12pts, 6a, 3r, 2-6 from 3
UM: 11pts, 2a, 3r, 1-2 from 3
Purdue: 10pts, 10a, 7r, 1-3 from 3
UM: 11pts, 5a, 5r, 0-4 from 3
Bucknell: 11pts, 10a, 3r, 1-5 from 3
Cuse: 15pts, 6a, 1r, 3-11 from 3
Totals: 10ppg, 7.125apg, 25% from 3.
He wasn't playing tournament teams all season. 14.8 and 6.2 on 50% from the field vs 6 tournament teams is great. Level of competition matters.
Sure, I’ll settle for Aaron Craft lite.
You just answered your own question, though. Two posts ago you asked why Michigan fans like Simpson and just said Simpson is a guy you’ll always appreciate.
I didn't phrase that well. I get that he's solid. I just think he's held in higher regard than he should be.
I think you’re reaching on how good Michigan fans think Simpson is. I put him a tier below Matthews and Winston.
He’s an elite defender with holes offensively. Good player still.
@MileHighSpartan do you see my point that 14.8 and 6.2 in a 6 game stretch of nothing but tournament teams is different than stats that include cupcake games?
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