*Official* B1G In-Season Thread

[boiler1987]

Still waiting to hear why Haarms (LOL) has a shot at the NBA. I'm sure you think Eastern does too, amirite?

Eastern doesn't unless he learns to shoot. And that's not likely IMO.

As far as Haarms, he's 7'3" with quick feet who can play solid defense and block shots. He has the ability to shoot the jumper. I think his biggest issue is strength. If he can continue to get stronger, I think he'll have a shot in the league. Haas' biggest issue was he was a prototypical center from the 1980s who was no longer relevant in today's NBA. Haarms has a lot potential due to his length/agility/shotblocking ability. Is it a sure thing? Of course not. But if he continues to improve, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him in the league.

 

[bMORE607]

@bMORE607

Za’darius Smith any good?

Had a good year last year, but it was contract year. Plus Raven defenders don’t seem to do well after signing big contracts with other teams. He could be good but don’t go crazy with expectations out of the gate.

 

[MileHighSpartan]

According to KenPom, Purdue has had a more difficult conference schedule than MSU 4 of the last 5 years.

I've yet to see a Purdue fan say Painter is better than Izzo or Beilein. I don't think I've seen anyone who said he is as good as either (being in the same tier is not saying that no matter how many times Snu says it does). I just take issue with those who say they are clearly better at every facet of the game. He is clearly inferior as a recruiter and that is part of coaching. Some of the other parts I think are more debatable (again, that does not say he's better).

Strength of schedule is one aspect, yes. Injuries are another, similar to how Robbie Hummel's injuries hindered Purdue in the past. My point is that you can't go solely on "regular season B1G wins and losses" to say that one coach is better/equal to others, especially when not considering all factors of those respective seasons.

I saw this tweet which showed how much injuries affected MSU this year:




Painter is a good coach, I don't think anyone is saying that he isn't. The debate is about how/where he compares to Izzo and Beilein. I don't think he's a better talent developer or game manager, but he has to be close based on his results. I just don't agree with some posts that "more regular season wins" while having lesser recruits, automatically means he's better at those other aspects outside of recruiting.

 

[jwardelt]

Had a good year last year, but it was contract year. Plus Raven defenders don’t seem to do well after signing big contracts with other teams. He could be good but don’t go crazy with expectations out of the gate.

Don’t have any. Never heard of the guy. We sign FA so infrequently it’s a shock. I think we picked up a few lately. Ted Thompson isn’t in the house any more.

 

[boilerzz]

Painter is a good coach, I don't think anyone is saying that he isn't. The debate is about how/where he compares to Izzo and Beilein. I don't think he's a better talent developer or game manager, but he has to be close based on his results. I just don't agree with some posts that "more regular season wins" while having lesser recruits, automatically means he's better at those other aspects outside of recruiting.

You and I are on the same page then.

 

[bMORE607]

Don’t have any. Never heard of the guy. We sign FA so infrequently it’s a shock. I think we picked up a few lately. Ted Thompson isn’t in the house any more.

I mean he was good last year, but you never know if it’s because he’s actually good or because the sum of all the parts is good and it made him look good. I’m assuming they will stick him opposite of Clay Mathews.

 

[SNU0821]

Eastern doesn't unless he learns to shoot. And that's not likely IMO.

As far as Haarms, he's 7'3" with quick feet who can play solid defense and block shots. He has the ability to shoot the jumper. I think his biggest issue is strength. If he can continue to get stronger, I think he'll have a shot in the league. Haas' biggest issue was he was a prototypical center from the 1980s who was no longer relevant in today's NBA. Haarms has a lot potential due to his length/agility/shotblocking ability. Is it a sure thing? Of course not. But if he continues to improve, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him in the league.

It would need to be a drastic improvement. You know this. I would call it highly unlikely he gets drafted. Is it possible? Sure. But it's about as unlikely at this point as Eastern getting drafted.

 

[ThreeTwaunMoore]

Wtf? I'll dumb it down for you. Coach A gets five star players. Coach B gets three-star players. Coach A gets more players in the NBA than Coach B. That's been the point all along. You want to argue whether it's true?

From that you somehow concluded that I said coach A can't develop players, or 3 stars can't get to the NBA......or some other dumb shit.

Probably 50% of the active posters in this thread cannot read or write. That's part of the reason it's such a shitshow.

 

[bMORE607]

Probably 50% of the active posters in this thread cannot read or write. That's part of the reason it's such a shitshow.

Then why are you here?

 

[boiler1987]

It would need to be a drastic improvement. You know this. I would call it highly unlikely he gets drafted. Is it possible? Sure. But it's about as unlikely at this point as Eastern getting drafted.

I don't think it's as unlikely as Eastern. Eastern has one huge flaw in that he's a guard who can't shoot. I don't think Haarms has one huge flaw like Eastern. If he continues to improve the next two years, it wouldn't surprise me to see him get drafted or at least get a shot in the NBA if he goes undrafted. Not sure it's that crazy to say that.

 

[boilerzz]

Then why are you here?

 

[ThreeTwaunMoore]

Then why are you here?

it's great entertainment. some funny shit goes on here

 

[jwardelt]

I mean he was good last year, but you never know if it’s because he’s actually good or because the sum of all the parts is good and it made him look good. I’m assuming they will stick him opposite of Clay Mathews.

Not sure Mathews will be here. Signing Preston smith as well it sounds like. Whoever the hell that is. I didn’t watch much nfl last year.

 

[boilerzz]

I don't think it's as unlikely as Eastern. Eastern has one huge flaw in that he's a guard who can't shoot. I don't think Haarms has one huge flaw like Eastern. If he continues to improve the next two years, it wouldn't surprise me to see him get drafted or at least get a shot in the NBA if he goes undrafted. Not sure it's that crazy to say that.

I think Haarms' most likely path to the NBA is if he builds upon the small sample size three point shooting he displayed in Big Ten play and becomes a consistent shooter from deep. His size and quickness are good enough to be a serviceable defender in the NBA so if he develops an outside shot, he can have a long career.

 

[bMORE607]

it's great entertainment. some funny shit goes on here

Guess you’re part of the 50% percent.

 

[Da_Bull]

It's great entertainment. Some funny shit goes on here.

 

[SNU0821]

I don't think it's as unlikely as Eastern. Eastern has one huge flaw in that he's a guard who can't shoot. I don't think Haarms has one huge flaw like Eastern. If he continues to improve the next two years, it wouldn't surprise me to see him get drafted or at least get a shot in the NBA if he goes undrafted. Not sure it's that crazy to say that.

He's not on any draft boards. He's not on anyone's radar. It sure does seem that crazy to suggest there's some realistic chance he gets drafted based on what we've seen so far. I mean, he lost his starting spot this year, to a freshman, for several games. Take your blinders off man. It's cool to say it's highly unlikely he won't get drafted or play in the NBA.

 

[SNU0821]

I think Haarms' most likely path to the NBA is if he builds upon the small sample size three point shooting he displayed in Big Ten play and becomes a consistent shooter from deep. His size and quickness are good enough to be a serviceable defender in the NBA so if he develops an outside shot, he can have a long career.

Unlikely.

 

[Da_Bull]

Haarms will do well in Europe.

 

[hailtoyourvictor]

I've been told on more than one occasion on here that conference stats are much better to reference than overall stats. @hailtoyourvictor?

I like it because it’s way more apples to apples in terms of strength of schedule.

 

[boiler1987]

He's not on any draft boards. He's not on anyone's radar. It sure does seem that crazy to suggest there's some realistic chance he gets drafted based on what we've seen so far. I mean, he lost his starting spot this year, to a freshman, for several games. Take your blinders off man. It's cool to say it's highly unlikely he won't get drafted or play in the NBA.

Hammons also lost his starting spot to Haas so not sure why that's a big deal. Haarms has been playing really well down the stretch. He also has 2+ more years to develop. Hey I'll gladly eat crow if he leaves Purdue and isn't on the NBA radar at all. I said I think he has a decent shot, and I'll stick to that.

 

[otte21]

Speaking of Haarms, here is his stat line over his last 10 big ten games. I’ve gotta say I would probably sign up for that now if those were his numbers over a full season next year. If he can improve upon those numbers I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he made an all-big ten team next season.

11.3 ppg
7 rpg
3.1bpg
62% FG
78% FT

 

[SNU0821]

Speaking of Haarms, here is his stat line over his last 10 big ten games. I’ve gotta say I would probably sign up for that now if those were his numbers over a full season next year. If he can improve upon those numbers I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he made an all-big ten team next season.

11.3 ppg
7 rpg
3.1bpg
62% FG
78% FT

Feel like we were having this same conversation last year...

 

[SNU0821]

Hammons also lost his starting spot to Haas so not sure why that's a big deal. Haarms has been playing really well down the stretch. He also has 2+ more years to develop. Hey I'll gladly eat crow if he leaves Purdue and isn't on the NBA radar at all. I said I think he has a decent shot, and I'll stick to that.

He's a long shot at the NBA as it stands right now. Silly to say otherwise.

 

[boilerzz]

Unlikely.

Your bias is showing.

 

[boilerzz]

He's a long shot at the NBA as it stands right now. Silly to say otherwise.

Thankfully as it stands now is irrelevant to how it will stand when he graduates.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Delusional.

Prove it. I've given you data. If you think it's delusional then prove it. Otherwise you're just being a blow hard.

 

[otte21]

Feel like we were having this same conversation last year...

He averaged 4 & 2 last year with 1.8 bpg in conference play. He has taken a big step this year. I don’t think anyone was predicting him to take THAT big of a leap.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Strength of schedule is one aspect, yes. Injuries are another, similar to how Robbie Hummel's injuries hindered Purdue in the past. My point is that you can't go solely on "regular season B1G wins and losses" to say that one coach is better/equal to others, especially when not considering all factors of those respective seasons.

I saw this tweet which showed how much injuries affected MSU this year:

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Painter is a good coach, I don't think anyone is saying that he isn't. The debate is about how/where he compares to Izzo and Beilein. I don't think he's a better talent developer or game manager, but he has to be close based on his results. I just don't agree with some posts that "more regular season wins" while having lesser recruits, automatically means he's better at those other aspects outside of recruiting.

That's basically where I'm at. I think Painter is in the same realm in many aspects as Izzo/Beilein. Recruiting just isn't one of them.

 

[boiler1987]

Prove it. I've given you data. If you think it's delusional then prove it. Otherwise you're just being a blow hard.

He hasn't given any legit reasons why. He just keeps saying it's highly unlikely without giving any reasons.

 

[SNU0821]

Your bias is showing.

So you think it's likely that Haarms gets drafted and actually plays (makes a team) in the NBA? Happy to make a ban bet with you on that one.

 

[boilerzz]

So you think it's likely that Haarms gets drafted and plays in the NBA? Happy to make a ban bet with you on that one.

I have no idea. He's got two more years to develop. You are the one making empirical statements and showing your bias.

 

[SNU0821]

I have no idea. He's got two more years to develop. You are the one making empirical statements and showing your bias.

All I said is I think it's unlikely he gets drafted. To say he's got a good shot is disingenuous considering he's not on any mock draft boards, isn't really talked about as an NBA player or even made an All B10 Team. Isn't he a bit older, too? That would likely work against him as well.

You guys seriously can't handle someone not sucking the sack (calm down @B-Westy) of every single Purdue player. Haarms is a decent player. He should get better again next year. Doesn't mean he's going to automatically turn into an NBA player. Like I said, it's highly unlikely at this point.

 

[boiler1987]

All I said is I think it's unlikely he gets drafted. To say he's got a good shot is disingenuous considering he's not on any mock draft boards, isn't really talked about as an NBA player or even made an All B10 Team. Isn't he a bit older, too? That would likely work against him as well.

You guys seriously can't handle someone not sucking the sack (calm down @B-Westy) of every single Purdue player. Haarms is a decent player. He should get better again next year. Doesn't mean he's going to automatically turn into an NBA player. Like I said, it's highly unlikely at this point.

No one said any of those things.

 

[SNU0821]

No one said any of those things.

Then why get all upset when I said it's highly unlikely, at this point, that Haarms gets drafted?

 

[B-Westy]

Then why get all upset when I said it's highly unlikely, at this point, that Haarms gets drafted?

At this point sure but the guy has two years to get better and develop. Who knows what will happen between now and 2021? The fact that you make such definitive assessments about things that have so much variance and nuance is what's puzzling.

 

[SNU0821]

At this point sure but the guy has two years to get better and develop. Who knows what will happen between now and 2021? The fact that you make such definitive assessments about things that have so much variance and nuance is what's puzzling.

I think it's not too hard to see what the guy has done in his career and assess the likelihood of him getting drafted even considering he'll likely get better each year. Again, all I've said is I think it's highly unlikely.

 

[boilerzz]

Snu at 3:26 PM

All I said is I think it's unlikely he gets drafted.

Snu at 8:31 AM

Haarms has zero chance at the NBA as well. Europe is a possibility for both.

 

[SNU0821]

Oh man. So I phrased it slightly different.

Haarms isn't getting drafted. There. Another version of what I've said. If you think I'm wrong, man up and take a ban bet.

 

[boilerzz]

Oh man. So I phrased it slightly different.

Haarms isn't getting drafted. There. Another version of what I've said. If you think I'm wrong, man up and take a ban bet.

I have no idea. He's got two more years to develop. You are the one making empirical statements and showing your bias.